: Making a new account isn't gonna magically fix your elo if you're playing in the same elo you're meant to be. Enjoy the steady climb and stop playing ranked in the pre-season. It's a waste of time.
that was not in anyway the question. I guess I over complicated it and no one understood that's ok
Milou (OCE)
: Large number of chinese bot accounts adding random players in Diamond and selling boosting services
they are not just in diamond. I thought I was just me. but they are everywhere in oceana from iron to diamond.
: It's called a lollipop hitbox, with certain projectiles (most of the hook type ones included) they at the end of their range instantly increase in size to a rather large circle. Other then this, you have to realise it's not like the skill shot has to hit your centre, any of your hitbox is viable.
indeed it clearly hit your bumholieo. sucks its just a tail and still well within hitbox
Mooshie (OCE)
: Nice hitboxes
nauts hit box is quite large duo to his weapon and that did hit you. sorry man youre clearly within his hit box
Rioter Comments
Ninox (OCE)
: No-one else comes to mind. There are plenty of CC marksmen but no enchanters that I can think of.
Ninox (OCE)
: To the Pyke bit, I'd say they learned and will be able to tweak much faster if they have to. The problem with Pyke (and what will potentially be a problem with Senna) is maintaining their balance in support without blowing up their power elsewhere and ideally without restricting them to a single role (the philosophy being that flex is good). It's a time will tell type thing because at this stage it's too early to know how much of her strength is because she's too strong and how much is unfamiliarity. As for why she has a 3 'ultimate' kit, because they aren't ultimate tier abilities in her kit. If you take Varus' ult, reduce the travel speed/detonation range substantially and gut the damage is it really worthy to be his ultimate? No. Her ult? Because they're weaker. The shield is *maybe* half the strength of a Lulu E and the damage is way less than half a Lux ult. It heavily trades-off potency to get the exxtra effect. Not sure what the third ult she has was meant to be. If it was Soraka's, I addressed that in my initial comment, it's not a heal, it's a shield. Shields are a much cheaper balance cost than heals because they are temporary.
we are now leaning towards the same thing with what I disagree with here as a big thing is its not she is flexible she is better in other lanes. and that will be a hard thing to fix. but I do think she wil be hard abused in lots of ways she is very overloaded currently. the third ult was sivir mini ult with her shroud is her ult a shield now then I retract the soroka statement as that is completely untrue now. sorry I should have looked deeper before saying that bit my apologies.
Rioter Comments
: I feel Sylas would have been a more fitting champion..... not Aatrox. I dont know if its a coincidence or not but ever since I hit Gold in 2017, the skins a dramatically gotten worse. Here's a list of viable candidates: * Sylas * Sejuani * Pantheon? maybe? * Nunu - Most prevalent jungler so far this season..... * Ornn? (probs not) * etc
Ornn yes he has had zero love in skins for 2 years
: whats the point playing this game if theres an honor restriction to ranked rewards, clearly honor and rank are different?? be fair riot, then again that skin is terrible if i must say
Stops trolls abit i think thats what they are aiming for. But i think if they made a rule if you go into lower ranks to trolls because you dont want to lose your rewards on your main you lose all rank for that year so they get nothing. That would instantly strangle out those trolls
: Super galaxy? lol
Super galaxy was the worst line of skins
: Bruh kindred has two skins and was released in 2015. She hasn't had a skin in over 1200 days lol
I was thinking these two aye. But riot makes more money of attrox
: U spelt riot wrong its actually spelt Rito
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q is like Lucians intentionally, they used many of the same skills 'before'. Mechanically speaking, it has a heal and is wider/longer, but it's also substantially slower, has a longer cooldown, and doesn't trigger a directly damaging passive. Her W's initial range is longer, but the trigger range is *much* shorter than a Varus ult. Coupled with it's slower movement and the fact that its 1v1 potential is much lower (because Senna isn't Varus) makes it quite a different ability in the context of her kit. The MS on her E is a similar duration, but also substantially less than Sivir's ult, affects champions in a comparatively *tiny* range, and allies lose the effect if they attack anything. The shroud and the wraith effect are camouflage only, unlike Akali's true invisibility. Her R is not a heal, it is a really-not-that-substantial shield that doesn't scale with her primary build stat and that doesn't last very long. It also does less damage than a Lux ult even when building full AD, is wider yes but much slower to fire (easier to dodge), and can't trigger a damaging passive like Lux's can. ___ She feels a little strong at the moment, yes, but almost all new champions do. To be honest I would say it's almost entirely because people haven't learnt to play against her yet rather than her numbers actually being all that over-tuned. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't receive a nerf at all, or if it's only a small one. ___ As for what she brings to League, for one an entirely new way to play support. Pyke did it once, Senna has done it again. For the longest time your options for support (unless you were going wildly off-meta) were Tank, Enchanter, or kill-lane (read: not all that support-y) mage. Now we have an Assassin and a Marksman *tailored for the support role* to go with that. If they flex elsewhere then sure, there are usually more efficient picks so 'what's the point?'. The point is they aren't designed for other lanes, and if they can flex there it's because players are doing interesting things with them, it doesn't erase their value to the support role. Diversity is never a bad thing. Mechanically speaking her shroud and the wraiths it creates is an entirely new form of obfuscation, and very interesting to play with/around. Like Neeko's passive, it's not something central (i..e couldn't do without) to their mechanical kit, but it's central to their identity, and both create very interesting ways to play the game. We haven't had a new global ult since Jinx (*October of 2013*) so that opportunity is a very exciting thing. She is also so far as I can pull from the top of my head the only ranged champion (other than maybe Thresh and Rakan who are only technically ranged) that can fire through Yasuo's wind wall since her autos are a tether and release and not a projectile. This makes for some very interesting interactions. ___ She's a champion with a very strong and unique identity, she's interesting to play but has clear and executable counter-play, she advances the lore and story fo the world of League and she has a unique dual aesthetic that works together very well. Does that mean she's for everyone? Of course not, but personally I would argue she's one of the best and most cohesively designed champions we have. ___ As a quick side experiment, League has a lot of champions, so you can take pretty much anyone and compare their abilities to other champs to label them as lacking uniqueness. * Gnar's passive is basically any free transforming champion's ult + Shyvana ult. * Mini Gnar's Q is basically just a worse Sivir Q with a reset. Mega Gnar's Q is basically a slower, longer Mundo Q. * Mini Gnar's W is basically any other 3-stack auto-empowering passive in the game. Mega Gnar's W is basically an AoE Leona Q, or a faster Taric E, or an AoE Udyr bear auto, or a shorter and AoE Xerath E etc. * Gnar's E is a short Tristana E with a conditional bounce, or an Ezreal E that has to travel, or a Shen E without the taunt, etc. * Gnar's Ult is basically a Malphite Ult, or an Ori Ult, or a Shyvana Ult (activation) with a stun, etc. And yet, it's easily argued that Gnar is a unique champion with his own identity because when it all comes together it doesn't make Elise, or Shyvana, or Orianna. It makes Gnar. You get the idea. Point being, a single ability doesn't define a champion, you have to look at the whole.
Would i be correct to say she is league first marksman enchanter?
Ninox (OCE)
: You can't Q twice in succession it's a 10~ second CD. She also has to have a target to fire the Q so the chances of accidentally finding something are slim. Unless she's fed the tower damage is barely more than an auto and it's on a long CD so it's not like she going to be taking turrets with it. She can also only hit the turret from out of its range if she has something else to target through like a minion. She can't just walk up to any tower and touch it. There is no spamming the Q. Why? There are plenty of abilities and items that give team-wide speed buffs. Righteous glory or Shurelya's are often bought early in the game, should they be nerfed too? The counter-play is vision, which is a basic staple of the game. The *backup* counter-play is avoiding it if you aren't with your team. The counter-play for most assassins is to shut them down early, and if that fails, the counter-play is avoiding them *permanently*, not just while they're using one long CD ability. Should we just remove all assassins? The projectile is so much slower than Varus' R. Like legitimately half the travel speed. The initial root is also slower than Varus' ult which is instant. The secondary (i.e hitting other people) root is a bit faster, but it's also a tiny range and you have much more reaction time + the reaction time fo the person that got hit to dodge it. Akali's shroud is not easy to deal with if you don't have AoE or wide skill-shots. Even Red Trinket won't reveal her in it so unless you can predict or chance a hit on her in it you have *no idea* where she is. Senna's position, on the other hand, is completely visible, the ability only camouflages so if you or someone on your team (like your frontline) gets close to her or a wraith they are completely visible. She is also revealed by red wards and red trinket (unlike Akali). She is only as much a thief as any other champion. Did Ivern Steal Annie's Ult? Sion's shield? Did Neeko steal Zyra's E? Did Zed steal Leblanc's W? Lulu's Q? Pyke hasn't had any swaps to his kit? He doesn't build support items because he isn't a traditional support. That doesn't mean he isn't a support, just that he isn't following the same strict mould of Enchanter/CC tank/Kill Mage. Senna is the same. High skill cap is kind of irrelevant. Annie is low skill cap while Qiyana is high skill cap, and they both exist and continue to exist for a reason. You have to have both ends of the spectrum. Senna is somewhere in the middle. She's easy to learn but decently difficult to master. There is room for skill to shine through without it being an almost unreachable goal for a lot of people like Azir or Aurelion, and being hard doesn't make a champion good. They are not mutually inclusive. At the end of the day though. If you don't like her, *don't play her*.
6 paragraph down yes to all of them and modified them but still yes You didnt actually reply to anything i said with the pyke bit I completely disagree there i think she is easy to learn and easy to master most of her skill cap is other team members learning to play around her abilities. I think her entire skill cap is low. You still haven't Said why she has a 3 ultimate kit. And i dont just dont want to play her i never want to see that thing in my game. I dont want to waste time banning that thing because it isnt a champion but i have to now because i will not have it in my games it is a spit in the fac of everyone
Jixie Xue (OCE)
: FREE COACHING (GOLD AND UNDER)
I am interested please message me in game
Bookbash (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheDemonEmperor,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=PvHWTvdT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-05T02:35:18.235+0000) > > Come on, this is getting old. You think of yourself better than everyone else. All the while, ignored all your flaws and conditioning. > > I would bet my bottom dollar you wont try this in your actual work place. Saying your Co workers is shit, you can do a better job, and the reason you cant get a promotion because the team you are placed in is holding you back. > > But then again, i could be giving you a view you have not yet reach. Prove me wrong eh? Well Season 9 was basically about creating new tiers and making people think they improved a whole tier higher when they actually didn't. So it's not surprising that some players are vocal about it.
I disagree it has made games so much easier. Before they spread ranked out i found the community way more toxic in lower elo now youre less likey to get this problem. Through unfortunately it would get around 20 different tiers in low elo alone to be added just to separate everyone evenly. As most the community is low elo
: your game is fucking trash change my mind
You have only shown the community around leagues of legends is shit not the game itself. That was extremely easy to change you mind
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q counts as a basic attack in all respects (will hit towers, wards, etc) so it could damage shrooms yes, but only in the way that autos can. The shroud is very small, and given that it's the shroud's primary mechanic, would you not be wary of her team if you can't see them elsewhere? Like it is for many things, vision or just avoiding it is the clear counter-play here. Varus has burst while Senna doesn't really, and the W does tiny damage compared to Varus' ult too. Her W isn't going to have a bigger impact than a Varus ult in a 1v1, and her ult takes a long time to fire for basically an auto's worth of damage and a small shield where all of Varus' abilities are immediately useful. If you see a wraith running at you, you either know who it is because you saw them go into the shroud, or you assume it's their strongest player and play around that. It only cloaks the windup animation, as soon as the ability fires they become visible, which barely reduces the time you have to react to most abilities. It also has a substantial delay to re-enter the shroud, where Akali's is instant, most of her abilities are instant, you can't touch or see her even if you're standing on her, and it lasts longer. She *is* her own champion. Her abilities, animations and thematic all fit her perfectly. Like I mentioned, you could say *anyone* is a copy-paste if you try for it. She is as much a copy-paste as Gnar is. Support items are kind of irrelevant though? Support items exist to keep champions relevant in the support role, not as items that supports *have* to take (other than Sightstone). She doesn't need them, so she doesn't take them. Pyke doesn't take support items either, does that mean he's not allowed to support? She works great as a support, I should know, I've been playing her as one. Can she be stronger in solo lanes? Yes, but so can Lux, so can Morgana, so can Nautilus or Tahm or even *Bard*. Being able to flex to other lanes does not discount her value or validity as a support. She is arguably more of a support than Pyke is, since Pyke is basically a kill lane like Brand where Senna has Enchanter elements as well. Mega Gnar Q is straight-up Mundo Q lol. It's a projectile that slows. I suppose you could say Olaf instead since it has a reset. But it's literally the same mechanic reskinned. The others have as much wriggle room as the comparisons you made to Senna's abilities. This is going to have to be an agreement to hard disagree.
But thank you you have shown she has a chance to become a champion once she has half her kit scraped
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q counts as a basic attack in all respects (will hit towers, wards, etc) so it could damage shrooms yes, but only in the way that autos can. The shroud is very small, and given that it's the shroud's primary mechanic, would you not be wary of her team if you can't see them elsewhere? Like it is for many things, vision or just avoiding it is the clear counter-play here. Varus has burst while Senna doesn't really, and the W does tiny damage compared to Varus' ult too. Her W isn't going to have a bigger impact than a Varus ult in a 1v1, and her ult takes a long time to fire for basically an auto's worth of damage and a small shield where all of Varus' abilities are immediately useful. If you see a wraith running at you, you either know who it is because you saw them go into the shroud, or you assume it's their strongest player and play around that. It only cloaks the windup animation, as soon as the ability fires they become visible, which barely reduces the time you have to react to most abilities. It also has a substantial delay to re-enter the shroud, where Akali's is instant, most of her abilities are instant, you can't touch or see her even if you're standing on her, and it lasts longer. She *is* her own champion. Her abilities, animations and thematic all fit her perfectly. Like I mentioned, you could say *anyone* is a copy-paste if you try for it. She is as much a copy-paste as Gnar is. Support items are kind of irrelevant though? Support items exist to keep champions relevant in the support role, not as items that supports *have* to take (other than Sightstone). She doesn't need them, so she doesn't take them. Pyke doesn't take support items either, does that mean he's not allowed to support? She works great as a support, I should know, I've been playing her as one. Can she be stronger in solo lanes? Yes, but so can Lux, so can Morgana, so can Nautilus or Tahm or even *Bard*. Being able to flex to other lanes does not discount her value or validity as a support. She is arguably more of a support than Pyke is, since Pyke is basically a kill lane like Brand where Senna has Enchanter elements as well. Mega Gnar Q is straight-up Mundo Q lol. It's a projectile that slows. I suppose you could say Olaf instead since it has a reset. But it's literally the same mechanic reskinned. The others have as much wriggle room as the comparisons you made to Senna's abilities. This is going to have to be an agreement to hard disagree.
And again i love this game. But champions an toxic things like this are a spit in the face to people who enjoy league and its champions. Especially the lie that she is the first marksman support. That is a straight out lie to the league community
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q counts as a basic attack in all respects (will hit towers, wards, etc) so it could damage shrooms yes, but only in the way that autos can. The shroud is very small, and given that it's the shroud's primary mechanic, would you not be wary of her team if you can't see them elsewhere? Like it is for many things, vision or just avoiding it is the clear counter-play here. Varus has burst while Senna doesn't really, and the W does tiny damage compared to Varus' ult too. Her W isn't going to have a bigger impact than a Varus ult in a 1v1, and her ult takes a long time to fire for basically an auto's worth of damage and a small shield where all of Varus' abilities are immediately useful. If you see a wraith running at you, you either know who it is because you saw them go into the shroud, or you assume it's their strongest player and play around that. It only cloaks the windup animation, as soon as the ability fires they become visible, which barely reduces the time you have to react to most abilities. It also has a substantial delay to re-enter the shroud, where Akali's is instant, most of her abilities are instant, you can't touch or see her even if you're standing on her, and it lasts longer. She *is* her own champion. Her abilities, animations and thematic all fit her perfectly. Like I mentioned, you could say *anyone* is a copy-paste if you try for it. She is as much a copy-paste as Gnar is. Support items are kind of irrelevant though? Support items exist to keep champions relevant in the support role, not as items that supports *have* to take (other than Sightstone). She doesn't need them, so she doesn't take them. Pyke doesn't take support items either, does that mean he's not allowed to support? She works great as a support, I should know, I've been playing her as one. Can she be stronger in solo lanes? Yes, but so can Lux, so can Morgana, so can Nautilus or Tahm or even *Bard*. Being able to flex to other lanes does not discount her value or validity as a support. She is arguably more of a support than Pyke is, since Pyke is basically a kill lane like Brand where Senna has Enchanter elements as well. Mega Gnar Q is straight-up Mundo Q lol. It's a projectile that slows. I suppose you could say Olaf instead since it has a reset. But it's literally the same mechanic reskinned. The others have as much wriggle room as the comparisons you made to Senna's abilities. This is going to have to be an agreement to hard disagree.
Yes and that is extremely over powered. Hmm i can walk up without orarcle shoot q twice into my adc and be assured there are no shrooms in the path. And she can accidentally clear any shroom or ward just to firing it. Also tower damage that is extremely op so she can stand outside of tower range and spam q to destroy towers that is plain toxic. I am always worried about where the rest of the team is thats why i have begun to climb game knowledge and amount of games played. Either way her ability to launch ghouls is toxic. If it is given a speed buff it needs to be limited to only her. And counter play should never be limited to you must run if she uses this move that is extremely toxic. No her stun wont have the same impact in a 1v1 but a stronger impact in teamfights as she can cloak it it releases faster than his r so the team stun is more likely to happen. Taking damage away doesn't change the move. Akalis shroud is easy to deal with and except that akali is strong as it is massively weaker than sennas. She has one unique ability thats her auto she is not her own champion she is a thief that stole from other champions. Actually in using that would make her more unique than she currently is. Pyke has reasons and uses to not use support items and we all saw the hell that came from that the massive mistake it was and it has finally settled down after all the nerfs and swaps on his kit. That actually shows how bad a release senna is. No being able to flex her in other lanes does not discount her ability to play support. I said she isn't a support she is a top mid adc with the capability to support. Oh sorry i must have misread when said gnars q to mundo ok yeah mundo q is close to mega gnars q but again is munda q his r no, no its not its his q. And yes like olafs q very close to like a weaker versions with slight differences i will say that definitely. My comparison with sennas abilities were well said and shown you gaviw bad examples and a few great ones. Unfortunately only proving how toxic senna is by doing so. Gnar has stole basic abilities senna has stole ultimate moves. Gnars is a high skill cap champion senna is not. 1. And untrue i welcome this as you have shown tiny peices of senna and what she could have been. Unfortunately that did not happen and we received this thing. I am glad you pointed out Stuff like her basic attacks it shows the things she should keep. But again scrap the entire kit otherwise. Keep her auto attack her passive and if the rest of her kits is removed then keep her q. Scrap her w e r and change them entirely or even scrap her w e and make moves there that would be fair chance for her to become a champion
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q is like Lucians intentionally, they used many of the same skills 'before'. Mechanically speaking, it has a heal and is wider/longer, but it's also substantially slower, has a longer cooldown, and doesn't trigger a directly damaging passive. Her W's initial range is longer, but the trigger range is *much* shorter than a Varus ult. Coupled with it's slower movement and the fact that its 1v1 potential is much lower (because Senna isn't Varus) makes it quite a different ability in the context of her kit. The MS on her E is a similar duration, but also substantially less than Sivir's ult, affects champions in a comparatively *tiny* range, and allies lose the effect if they attack anything. The shroud and the wraith effect are camouflage only, unlike Akali's true invisibility. Her R is not a heal, it is a really-not-that-substantial shield that doesn't scale with her primary build stat and that doesn't last very long. It also does less damage than a Lux ult even when building full AD, is wider yes but much slower to fire (easier to dodge), and can't trigger a damaging passive like Lux's can. ___ She feels a little strong at the moment, yes, but almost all new champions do. To be honest I would say it's almost entirely because people haven't learnt to play against her yet rather than her numbers actually being all that over-tuned. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't receive a nerf at all, or if it's only a small one. ___ As for what she brings to League, for one an entirely new way to play support. Pyke did it once, Senna has done it again. For the longest time your options for support (unless you were going wildly off-meta) were Tank, Enchanter, or kill-lane (read: not all that support-y) mage. Now we have an Assassin and a Marksman *tailored for the support role* to go with that. If they flex elsewhere then sure, there are usually more efficient picks so 'what's the point?'. The point is they aren't designed for other lanes, and if they can flex there it's because players are doing interesting things with them, it doesn't erase their value to the support role. Diversity is never a bad thing. Mechanically speaking her shroud and the wraiths it creates is an entirely new form of obfuscation, and very interesting to play with/around. Like Neeko's passive, it's not something central (i..e couldn't do without) to their mechanical kit, but it's central to their identity, and both create very interesting ways to play the game. We haven't had a new global ult since Jinx (*October of 2013*) so that opportunity is a very exciting thing. She is also so far as I can pull from the top of my head the only ranged champion (other than maybe Thresh and Rakan who are only technically ranged) that can fire through Yasuo's wind wall since her autos are a tether and release and not a projectile. This makes for some very interesting interactions. ___ She's a champion with a very strong and unique identity, she's interesting to play but has clear and executable counter-play, she advances the lore and story fo the world of League and she has a unique dual aesthetic that works together very well. Does that mean she's for everyone? Of course not, but personally I would argue she's one of the best and most cohesively designed champions we have. ___ As a quick side experiment, League has a lot of champions, so you can take pretty much anyone and compare their abilities to other champs to label them as lacking uniqueness. * Gnar's passive is basically any free transforming champion's ult + Shyvana ult. * Mini Gnar's Q is basically just a worse Sivir Q with a reset. Mega Gnar's Q is basically a slower, longer Mundo Q. * Mini Gnar's W is basically any other 3-stack auto-empowering passive in the game. Mega Gnar's W is basically an AoE Leona Q, or a faster Taric E, or an AoE Udyr bear auto, or a shorter and AoE Xerath E etc. * Gnar's E is a short Tristana E with a conditional bounce, or an Ezreal E that has to travel, or a Shen E without the taunt, etc. * Gnar's Ult is basically a Malphite Ult, or an Ori Ult, or a Shyvana Ult (activation) with a stun, etc. And yet, it's easily argued that Gnar is a unique champion with his own identity because when it all comes together it doesn't make Elise, or Shyvana, or Orianna. It makes Gnar. You get the idea. Point being, a single ability doesn't define a champion, you have to look at the whole.
Also please explain which one oh gnar abilities is a stole ultimate of another champion not a basic ability an ultimate move. Senna has 3 ults
: I agree and it makes me mad because I'm sick of the easy to play penta kill champions which riot has been releasing the last couple of years. Clearly Riot is trying to appeal to the lower ranks with champions that have high damage output that can outplay since they realize the higher ranks have peaked. That's not taking in to account the last 3 releases are support, mid and support. In my opinion Riot is selling out because it's not about the game anymore, it's about making a quick buck before the transition Riot is making in to the next gaming craze.
that's my exact problem as well. they have buffed all champions that have zero skill like garen and released easy to use champions with penta kill qualities which just helps turn lower elo into chaos and makes champions that and interesting worthless. its hard enough to learn new champions that take skill without riot releasing zero skill champions with high kill potential that does seem the case. funny thing is I said this exact thing about senna to riot got reply's from 5 experts and every one of them hated her kit and that she was released like that I think that shows that design is not in charge of champions. money is
Ninox (OCE)
: Her Q is like Lucians intentionally, they used many of the same skills 'before'. Mechanically speaking, it has a heal and is wider/longer, but it's also substantially slower, has a longer cooldown, and doesn't trigger a directly damaging passive. Her W's initial range is longer, but the trigger range is *much* shorter than a Varus ult. Coupled with it's slower movement and the fact that its 1v1 potential is much lower (because Senna isn't Varus) makes it quite a different ability in the context of her kit. The MS on her E is a similar duration, but also substantially less than Sivir's ult, affects champions in a comparatively *tiny* range, and allies lose the effect if they attack anything. The shroud and the wraith effect are camouflage only, unlike Akali's true invisibility. Her R is not a heal, it is a really-not-that-substantial shield that doesn't scale with her primary build stat and that doesn't last very long. It also does less damage than a Lux ult even when building full AD, is wider yes but much slower to fire (easier to dodge), and can't trigger a damaging passive like Lux's can. ___ She feels a little strong at the moment, yes, but almost all new champions do. To be honest I would say it's almost entirely because people haven't learnt to play against her yet rather than her numbers actually being all that over-tuned. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't receive a nerf at all, or if it's only a small one. ___ As for what she brings to League, for one an entirely new way to play support. Pyke did it once, Senna has done it again. For the longest time your options for support (unless you were going wildly off-meta) were Tank, Enchanter, or kill-lane (read: not all that support-y) mage. Now we have an Assassin and a Marksman *tailored for the support role* to go with that. If they flex elsewhere then sure, there are usually more efficient picks so 'what's the point?'. The point is they aren't designed for other lanes, and if they can flex there it's because players are doing interesting things with them, it doesn't erase their value to the support role. Diversity is never a bad thing. Mechanically speaking her shroud and the wraiths it creates is an entirely new form of obfuscation, and very interesting to play with/around. Like Neeko's passive, it's not something central (i..e couldn't do without) to their mechanical kit, but it's central to their identity, and both create very interesting ways to play the game. We haven't had a new global ult since Jinx (*October of 2013*) so that opportunity is a very exciting thing. She is also so far as I can pull from the top of my head the only ranged champion (other than maybe Thresh and Rakan who are only technically ranged) that can fire through Yasuo's wind wall since her autos are a tether and release and not a projectile. This makes for some very interesting interactions. ___ She's a champion with a very strong and unique identity, she's interesting to play but has clear and executable counter-play, she advances the lore and story fo the world of League and she has a unique dual aesthetic that works together very well. Does that mean she's for everyone? Of course not, but personally I would argue she's one of the best and most cohesively designed champions we have. ___ As a quick side experiment, League has a lot of champions, so you can take pretty much anyone and compare their abilities to other champs to label them as lacking uniqueness. * Gnar's passive is basically any free transforming champion's ult + Shyvana ult. * Mini Gnar's Q is basically just a worse Sivir Q with a reset. Mega Gnar's Q is basically a slower, longer Mundo Q. * Mini Gnar's W is basically any other 3-stack auto-empowering passive in the game. Mega Gnar's W is basically an AoE Leona Q, or a faster Taric E, or an AoE Udyr bear auto, or a shorter and AoE Xerath E etc. * Gnar's E is a short Tristana E with a conditional bounce, or an Ezreal E that has to travel, or a Shen E without the taunt, etc. * Gnar's Ult is basically a Malphite Ult, or an Ori Ult, or a Shyvana Ult (activation) with a stun, etc. And yet, it's easily argued that Gnar is a unique champion with his own identity because when it all comes together it doesn't make Elise, or Shyvana, or Orianna. It makes Gnar. You get the idea. Point being, a single ability doesn't define a champion, you have to look at the whole.
her q does clear teemo shrooms through. I saw one q a minion took out 2 of my shrooms but at same time her w is a lot stronger than varus's she can come in with and entire team with her under shroud and hide her w . she also has very close to the same power as varus so she would kill just as fast if she hits it right found shrouds 100 times worse than akalis because of the ghouls affect and she can laugh her tanks at you with her shrouds while cloaking who they are and there ability's animations. making it 10 times worse than both but in a smaller area true her r is slightly weak in kill protentional than luxs ult. but 1000 times stronger in situational use and its amount of uses I don't care for her strength at all really. she isn't a champion as far as I am concerned, also I find it easy to fight her because how I play. this doesn't change the fact she should not have been released at all if she wasn't a champion with her own kit I wouldn't want her nerf. I want her actually to be made. be just copy pasted senna has no new dynamics for support because she cant currently scale with support items. next year maybe she might with new support items. but currently calling her a support is a lie. she isn't even used in the support roal at all. who would wasted her on that role when she is very obviously not a support. her only reason for wanting to be bot lane is to increase her scalling with souls collected. we jhave an assassin support now and a lie that we were getting a marksman support. but either way there are a lot more champions that can of meta support that are marksman and ten times better. ash is a support incase everyone forgot that. she is a marksman support. senna is not the first that is a straight our lie from riot. oh well in that case the point is she wasn't designed for support either. oh and she never had value as a support for that to be erased as far as I have seen ok I see there that is true about the uniqueness about her shrouds capabilities. unfortunately it has an ultimate attached to it so I still find it toxic. but you have a slight point that is literally her only unique quality. yes a new global ult would have been great with the one they have released they have so many opitions to go with and ways to make it unique unfortunately this was the opposite of what they did with her. just copy pasting over champions ults and saying jobs well done wait ok that is interesting. ok scrap her entire kit except her autos and passive and rebuild the rest don't say she has a unique identity that is lieing man. the story of the game has zero affect on how she is not a champion that is unique. yeah they made a good story for her. no they didn't do any work on her kit. I would argue she is the worst release riot has ever made. she makes yummi and other champions like gragus first realse sound like great champions. that is how bad she was done. gnars passive is unqiue in many ways and was a bad choice. if you wanted to go that you should have said elise and jayce. and is so far from shyvannas ult you couldn't even compare them. except that they transform I can see the sivir bit but it is nothing like mundos q and that was a horrid comparison. and with sivirs q yes that is an interesting thought there. but look at gnar and his many unique qualities he actualy has an identity. I would have gone with taric stun as is it nothing like Leona stun. but even with taris stun it is completely different due to his kit and how it is made. but I see the small things that are close. yeah you should have left the others out they were terrible examples are you trying to be broad and just include anything. if so then gnars w is sejs ult sejs q sejs e and so on. then needs similarities not just it stuns therefor its the same. true as is every leap mechanic I agree this is something that is the same unfortunately it is impossible to give movement abilities without using that extremely basic definition I do like how you choice gnar because he is my main to try take a shot at me. I have obviously annoyed you a bit by pointing out how worthless senna is. unfortunately gnar is actually a champion that has many unique properties and was a terrible choice. please try use a better example no well actually in using gnar as a point of context you have shown how massively unique other champions are compared to senna and have only shown how she has nothing unique except her auto (which you brought up I find very interesting) so please I do welcome anther go as you did put a lot of effort into this I like how you did
Bookbash (OCE)
: So if what you are saying is that: * Her gun looks like a large Caitlyn skinned gun * Her Q is like a Lucian Q, just with healing for allies * Her W is like a Zyra root, just without the initial plant rolling * Her E is like the inside of Akali's shroud * Her R is like a global Sona/Jhin/Jinx ult, only wider I would tend to agree. But a lot of the new champions are like this. The ones that are not that come to mind are Kled and Tahm Kench.
oh and most new champions I agree are abit copy like but every one of them brought something new to league. what has senna brought league. there is my question. there is literally nothing unique about her
Bookbash (OCE)
: So if what you are saying is that: * Her gun looks like a large Caitlyn skinned gun * Her Q is like a Lucian Q, just with healing for allies * Her W is like a Zyra root, just without the initial plant rolling * Her E is like the inside of Akali's shroud * Her R is like a global Sona/Jhin/Jinx ult, only wider I would tend to agree. But a lot of the new champions are like this. The ones that are not that come to mind are Kled and Tahm Kench.
no close but no cigar I said she only has ultimate moves. then I said nope her heal is not and ultimate. . her Q is namis heal but mixed with Lucian q. though stronger than lucians q sooo abit weird that . her w is varus's ultimate move with longer range but slower movement . her e is sivirs ultimate it increases movement speed of people around her whiole using an attached akali shroud . her r is luxs oold R the global one with an attached soroka r as a beam. but I have since realise the reason for this and wow is it funny lucain and senna are the stereo type black couple. one has a drive by shooting the other stole pieces of everyone's kits. there crime spree has begun
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Socon (OCE)
: Im not exactly sure why they did it, I don't feel as if anyone was begging for a zac rework like people have been for graves, vlad, or akali.
pretty sure everyone hated old zac ult anyway. I saw his new ult and thought zac is finally viable to use. apparently riot wanted none of that. how dare people enjoy playing zac let rever his r. loss all his players again
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this i great to hear. have had lots of problems in champ select and i really hope to see alot of improvment in these small things to make the game run smoothly. as league has always been a really well made game its good to see this
prophacyx (EUW)
: they literally ruined zac by reverting the R. Zac is my main champion but i won't play him ever again untill they give back the R.
completely agree. they made a great idea and brought Zac into a good stop. then suddenly decided they hated Zac and removed the good ult
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LeBeanus (OCE)
: Safe Cheese Champion Picks
honestly you just need to now what to use against them man and how to play it. so kayle you want to freeze lane in front of your tower and if she comes near kill her but keep the freeze so you get lots of cs and she cant get anything. darius renek you have to farm as safe so possible and poke if you can but don't go out of your way to et them make a mistake. like try get a build up of 2 or so waves and if they go in your minions will do so much damage you can kill them if not tower hug and level up a scaling champion because both fall of. kennen watch for his basic attack empowerment and avoid it most of the time they will move really close to try get it of for the stun. so soon and he uses it on a minions go in for a quick trade but make sure you have minions blocking so he cant hit his q. he either has to run or go in on you in your wave. if jayce stand behind minons and weave to the side of them to try bait his long shit so it misses minions and you. go in for quick trade he will more likely than not knock you back after you get 2 abilities off don't chase. go back behind your wave again. teemo. if he uses his blinding dart and youre trynd or something soon as he uses it go in on him like a second after and it will end by the time you lethal tempo winds up when you spin in on him. kill him straight up. never actauly had cat top lane. but id say cheese her. wait in bushes start of game soon as she moves in to cs give her something to think about. if trynd wait for the front 3 minions to almost die spin through them at her so you kill all three and get a nice rage bar started then beat her arse abit, avoid her traps at alls costs they will wreck you very very fast
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dogsrule (OCE)
: Scuttle crab spawn change needs to be reverted.
I agree with the changes man. now the jungle is open to so many more champions and mid lane isn't gank central first 2minutes.
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