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: Honor system requirement for ranked?
It's a better suggestion than what they have now, nothing
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: Fixing The Problem of Troll Teammates
Pretty sure they are too busy putting their resources into making money, if they had any sense they would use the honor system with the ranked queues. I personally think messing with pre-game stuff is too difficult, but I do know that the OCE servers are full of toxic behavior beyond the chat box,
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: Is it just me or is their too much salt in the air
I mainly play ADC, I moved to top lane toward the end of the season, 50/50 how weak ADC have become, to avoid tilting a support by asking them to do something, this trolling I have encountered with the 3-4 years I have played this game, whether it is the damage meta that made it worse or not, the last 6-8 months have been my worse experience I have had playing this game, I was in promos for gold 2 where I had my worse game, was also the game that made me stop 'maining' ADC, after that I stopped caring about the game, and Maybe im just getting the bad end of people atm, I try take responsibility for my mistakes, but maybe my mindset of trying to help others handle things better, is something that I shouldn't do
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NeoJoke (OCE)
: Shyvana needs a Dragon Trainer skin.
Essembie (OCE)
: just dont get frustrated at a troll because they'll carry on while you get a ban. System works.
when it's occurring 8/10 games on either side of the rift, it is pretty demoralizing. if it is occur that often, I don't think it is working
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Essembie (OCE)
: Chat restricted and why the report system is useless
I got banned after 1 game too, mine was a little more extreme but I never said anything racist or anything involving death. Riot's support system is to inconsistent to allow such strict verbal abuse punishments. but it is what it is. Riot do not care enough about the in game behaviour, and if anyone disagrees with that, send me proof. I am actually de ranking because people resort to in game trolling if ONE thing does not play out the way they want it. I would confidently say that 2 out of 10 games I play is playable, the other 8 games is lost before 5 minutes of gameplay, I am only referring to my solo/dup queue experience.
: My biggest issues is that mainly the 2nd half of this year I am confident that the in game negative behavior has increased, my match history is horrible right now and most of the games, including my wins, have been because of negative behavior outside of the chat box. I got angry one game and snapped, I get chat banned. With the way that the honor system is and how lenient negative in game actions are compared to the in game chat log. I can understand why ranked games feel so toxic. And I honestly do believe that they need to start putting on restrictions to the ranked playlist based on negative behavior. But don't call chat ban a warning and reset honor progress, when the chat log is the easiest thing for the system to pick stuff up, and in game mechanics from negative players is alot easier to get away with. if the chat dialog was allowed a bit more breathing room, I think it would reduce the in game behavior a little bit I just think that negative in game behavior is ALOT greater than people spamming the chat box. Id rather have people toxic in chat than throwing games
What I mean, is that if verbal was a little less harsh as what I believe it is, I think it could potentially lower the people that decide to troll in game, and I don't feel it's because it is nearing the end of the season, I feel its tho its people who can't be bothered taking a few months to get their honor back, from my personal experience it took me 4-5 months to get 1 check point from honor level 5 till I got my chat ban. This is my outlook on how the system is at the moment. Gets tilted, understands that text chat will most likely punish them, decides to troll in game instead. that is the easiest way I can process what I am getting into game after game. im playing in low silvers now because I've deranked, so I may as well play with a few mates, and there is less trolling in game, and I think there is less verbal too
esp (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=RHJXR413,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-18T11:49:05.901+0000) > > What is the difference between an intentional feeder and a genuinely new or bad player? Not much unless the inter is just being completely obvious about it (which does get picked up pretty quick). > You're right it's so hard to spot a bad player in gold elo, it's obviously a new account and you know he's bad because he's wandered from his jungle into your lane to tax xp and gold and then feed your lane opponent his buffs and sit at your tower and afk. WHOOPS, I've been reporting people in ranked for griefing and int feeding when i should have just ignored it because they need to learn these things in gold. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
I should just play vayne top, 25/9/10 against a teemo top, joys of the deranking life
: >Most people getting punished are victims of trolls, THAT IS THE MATTER AT HAND. I'd argue that at a point you stop being a victim and start being a participant. I'm not saying that makes starting shit ok, but stopping to their level to what, get back at them? I don't think that's ok either. Less than 1% of players will ever see a punishment, and of those about 75% will never see a second one. Reform rates plummet after that, so there isn't much value at all in having any more than 4 chances. Even if you don't agree with all the community rules, you have to accept that to be a part of the community they govern you will have to abide by them. It sounds like you're largely talking about gameplay offences though, and I'm the first to admit they take too long. Chat is pretty clear cut, and even easier to review, but gameplay is more ambiguous. What is the difference between an intentional feeder and a genuinely new or bad player? Not much unless the inter is just being completely obvious about it (which does get picked up pretty quick). I'm the first to say that gameplay punishments need to be faster, but I'm also the first to say we shouldn't be ignoring chat offences in the meantime, and someone else starting fights shouldn't give anyone a free pass to do whatever.
My biggest issues is that mainly the 2nd half of this year I am confident that the in game negative behavior has increased, my match history is horrible right now and most of the games, including my wins, have been because of negative behavior outside of the chat box. I got angry one game and snapped, I get chat banned. With the way that the honor system is and how lenient negative in game actions are compared to the in game chat log. I can understand why ranked games feel so toxic. And I honestly do believe that they need to start putting on restrictions to the ranked playlist based on negative behavior. But don't call chat ban a warning and reset honor progress, when the chat log is the easiest thing for the system to pick stuff up, and in game mechanics from negative players is alot easier to get away with. if the chat dialog was allowed a bit more breathing room, I think it would reduce the in game behavior a little bit I just think that negative in game behavior is ALOT greater than people spamming the chat box. Id rather have people toxic in chat than throwing games
: Community toxicity has reached ridiculous levels. Thinking about quitting after over a decade.
I've also played DotA since Reign of Chaos. I stropped playing it after they started changing the map, now been playing League for 3-4 years, I may not be good on LoL compared to what I am at DotA but I feel like DotA had less toxicity compared to what I have encountered this, but they won't do anything, while they are too busy changing everything else
esp (OCE)
: A bit hard to understand what support said because it's not broken down enough. Can you send your chat log lol. It's not going to do much good but some people may say that was bullshit if that's what you want to hear, it's just trying to get riot to hear it that's difficult.
[4:24] Kai'Sa: stop sitting so far bacck [4:49] Kai'Sa: then learn to ddodge morgs stuns [5:19] Kai'Sa: im bad [5:24] Kai'Sa: ytou have been hit by 5 morg qs [5:33] Kai'Sa: i got no lane control cause you sitting so far backj [5:59] Kai'Sa: because yyou cant dodge a morg q If you tell me that I cannot dodge, I will get hit even more often, because I will try harder and fail. It's always like that. People know when they perform poorly, yelling at them won't do. You blame the support for not having lane control (which might be true though), but blaming is considered a sign of negativity. Instead of saying that, you could explain in a nice or neutral manner what she/he is doing wrong. I would have said "please try to apply some lane pressure, I can't farm" or "it's okay, let's wait for our jungler, let them push". [7:36] Kai'Sa: im afvk [8:13] [All] Kai'Sa: im trolling? [8:17] [All] Kai'Sa: you wwant 6to go trhere [9:09] Kai'Sa: he uuses skills on minions have fun [9:40] Kai'Sa: nah imma farm up [10:26] Kai'Sa: ping me again [10:28] Kai'Sa: i dare you [10:45] Kai'Sa: ping me one more time ali [10:48] Kai'Sa: i fucking dare you [11:31] [All] Kai'Sa: how am im being toxic? Here you were already angry and while I can understand why, I can't understand the reaction. Flaming is like fighting fire with fire. You lost farm, gold, items, map awareness, kills by wasting time to type in chat. After that point I got pretty toxic I wont lie after I said stop sitting so far back which was the first thing I said to him, I got told to goo kill myself. I wont deny that I was toxic, but this quote, 'We know there are bad games and people can have bad days. However, exhibiting a toxic behavior constantly will be followed by a punishment - how it was in your case.' does that not put the idea out there that it is for more than just one game of toxic behavior? regardless of the degree of anything that is negative behavior in game? I'd also like to point out this quote from my ticket as well'. 'It's not okay to behave like that in a game and the chat restriction was a warning'. If its a warning then why do I still get punish more than just a chat ban? I still lost my honor level that took me 3-4 months to get 1 check point off level 2, so I loose my end of season rewards? because of a 'warning'.
esp (OCE)
: Can you tell us what Support said? If they are representing riot you should make it public. I don't think it's the most toxic game by the way, Fortnite/PUBG and any game with voice chat is pretty bad when it comes to racism and other common stuff but really no one cares. NO ONE. League is toxic because of the game play and how much one person can impact your experience in a game. Where as other games, It's hard to troll someone specifically. League you can tax their farm, follow them around take their xp feed their lane etc etc. But if they don't use the chat feature, guess what? No detection of a problem in the game. You abuse the person trolling you? BAN HAMMER OF JUSTICE!
I just played a game where a Kayne just started running into fights 1v5 because he wasn't given a lanes minions early, The game before had a darius jungle and a kayne top the kayne afk'd in base and darius was just being a troll because the apparently forgot to swap knowing that the remake wouldn't kick in. Like do something like the CSGO thing where you watch highlights of someone that was report for cheating or something. But when A support staff says I got penalized because of consistent bad behavior, when I was notified, the only chat log displayed was that game. This below was a summary of after 'breaking down' my chat log from that game -trying to defuse the situation -admit that someone can have a bad game -if that doesn't work, mute + report -trying to farm and catch-up. Now here the thing 2 other people commented on his actions in chat log before I said anything at the 4-5 minute mark, surely support would have access to that, It was not a bad game it was the player intentionally throwing the game, muting would not have done anything at 6-7 minutes I had multiple deaths getting 3 manned tower dived while Ali stood and watch I couldn't farm because I wasn't safe at my tower obviously and I describe what happened in detail earlier in the ticket Then the same staff later posted this. 'Intentionally feeding is different from feeding. I really doubt that you had 200 consecutive games with intentionally feeders in your team. Players feeding? Yes. Intentionally? No.' I did not say of intentionally feeding I said almost 200 games of toxic games. Earlier in that support 'Toxicity is a wide term and you have the necessary weapons to defend yourself from it. You can mute the players that are flaming you and you can report them after.' I agree its a wide term in the game but the only tools provided is muting chat. reporting people after game just feels pointless. I still do it, What motivation does someone have to play ranked with some intent of taking it seriously so to speak? a honor system? get penalized once its takes a few months to get it back, so in my mind they need something more like what they have in DotA where you cant play ranked, and you have to play a few low priority queues. And after the changes that has happened this year, I could understand that contributing but i feel like its slowly got worse over the years and it's just led up to this.
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Reapsie (OCE)
: Most toxic playerbase it's ever been. REMOVE the chat.
From intentional feeding, to getting told to kill my self. something like low priority games and not being eligible to play ranked seems like a straight forward idea. to fix a problem, whats the point of just having a report system when its happening game after game. I'm really not enjoying the game, and with the 8.11 update, I don't want to play league purely because the toxic behavior feels like shot through the roof .

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