: Aphelios is a wee bit strong
Aphelios is a catastrophe of a champion, one with a massively high skill floor and skill ceiling who's so radically different and overcomplicated compared to every other marksman that he HAS to be actually flat-out OP when mastered to justify the effort it takes to play him. If he's not stronger than literally every other ADC when mastered then there's absolutely no reason to play him other than to show off. Plus he has an obscene amount of required knowledge to play not only as him, but also _against_ him, something that violates one of Riot's core champion design principles ever since 2009. The kind of disaster release only CertainlyT could create.
: for me this is (i think) the result of my anti-virus software disliking the stub.dll file in the new download. UPDATE: this indeed appears to be the case. disabling my on-access file reading is allowing me to reconnect. SECOND UPDATE: so I fixed that, to immediately be hit with the classic connection bug, where re-connection freezes and you have to restart your computer... riot is a great company. they aren't completely damn useless at all :):):):):):):):):)
It does indeed seem to be my antivirus. Which is fucking weird, but whatever. Thanks for suggesting it.
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: Is this the same error as the one I've just hit where there's no crash or error message at all, the game just _refuses to run itself at all_ (while the client simultaneously insists that I'm still in a game, despite it not even ATTEMPTING to run)?
Oh, also, I can't reinstall the client, because I can't UNinstall it. I went to the Programs and Features in my Control Panel to remove it, and it's _not there._
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Gehirn (OCE)
: READ: LOADING SCREEN CRASHES
Is this the same error as the one I've just hit where there's no crash or error message at all, the game just _refuses to run itself at all_ (while the client simultaneously insists that I'm still in a game, despite it not even ATTEMPTING to run)?
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: IIRC the instant feedback is only given to the most recent person to report the person. It's possible you were not the most recent person if they were that bad.
This. Don't worry. I don't know why, but only one player per game gets notified when a reported player is punished. Since this guy was clearly VERY abusive, you obviously weren't the only one to report him. It's safe to assume Riot got him.
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: {{sticker:sg-janna}} As a _support main_, it's become harder and harder to actually get my role as of late in blind pick. So having this come out would be a _dream_ come true. Even so a lot of people troll the lane and make it impossible for the adc to do anything. Just last night I had an_** Orianna support **_who trolled my lane and fed so hard against a _Zyra_ and _Tristana. _She was hella toxic and swore at the team constantly, only saving grace after that was the instant feedback that there was a penalty given from riot because I reported her. ~~She also had teleport as a support like wtf???????~~ {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} {{sticker:sg-shisa}} Another thing I would like to add is that for anyone being autofilled, maybe you can add in a symbol next to the role they got so that people know they've been autofilled? That way if someone else is better at that role they can ask if they'd like to switch with them. Sort of just makes it easier to co-operate with the team instead of someone instanlocking Jarvan top when theyre supposed to be support. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Wait, what? You actually have to struggle to get your role as a SUPPORT MAIN in blind pick? As a support main, maybe I'm not missing out on so much by playing only ranked after all. It's playing anything OTHER than support which is difficult. Also Orianna support is legit, but I wouldn't pick it against a Zyra. Which is something I don't have a problem with avoiding in a draft mode.
Fitzky (OCE)
: HOLY SHIT WHAT, RIOT ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY??? VOICE CHAT NEXT??
And it only took them, what, 4 years?
PurpIe (OCE)
: IM SO PROUD TO BE AN OCESTER :D WE get emotes and honour system first and now we get Normal draft :D I'm SUPPPER excited !!! Looking forward to some co-ordinated and toxic free champ selects :P
Wow, you think this is some kind of PRIVILEGE, and not Riot restoring a _basic feature_ that they themselves took away from us YEARS ago, nearly crippling the player experience? That kind of naivety is something to be envied, I guess.
Maraudaur (OCE)
: Normal Draft test coming to Oceania
Wow, can you believe people are actually EXCITED about this? Actually fucking GRATEFUL to Riot for bringing Normal Draft to OCE? Normal Draft mode is a STANDARD FEATURE of all LoL servers that OCE USED to have when it launched, before Riot OCE disabled it years ago because "not enough people are playing it" (Translation: "eh, we can't be assed maintaining it"). That was a lie. They talk here about how they were concerned about "effect on queue times" when Normal Draft queue times were pretty much _no longer than they are now._ So they disabled normal draft, and as a result not only did everyone who wanted an even semi-professional experience (i.e draft pick) have to put up with the extra stress of ranked mode and being judged by their end-of-season border, but every clueless noob fresh off grinding his account to level 30 on blind pick games had to be forced into ranked to do all their learning about the draft experience rather than getting used to it in normal first, ruining COUNTLESS games. I NEVER bothered with ranked before Riot OCE made it _literally my only option_ (fuck Blind Pick) but with my only other choices being a) transfer back to NA server and the 200 ping that came with it or b) uninstall, I had to gird up my loins and plunge into it. And LoL has been a much, MUCH more miserable and depressing experience ever since. And to this day, ranked queue on OCE is overrun with noobs so lacking in basic goddamn competence that they should literally _not be allowed_ to play in any ranked mode. No way am I going to start cheering "YAAAAAAAAY, RIOT OCE HAVE STOPPED BEING SHIT TO US!" like it's something worth celebrating. You don't [get praise for restoring basic functionality,](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency) Riot.
: Retiring Dominion
Screw you, Riot OCE. You could never be assed giving us a Dominion queue because it was too much like hard work (the same way you couldn't be assed letting us have Normal Draft queue so every fresh noob who hits level 30 doesn't have to dive right into Ranked to get experience of draft play) and now you're removing the mode altogether and making apologetic noises. No, seriously, screw you guys.
: Oceania is victorious!
Double free week champions. Woo. Can't play them in ranked, don't have a draft normal queue, I don't like blind pick and I hate ARAM. No, now that you mention it, I will NEVER forgive Riot OCE for turning off Normal Draft queue because maintaining it was too much like hard work.
: The Summer Sale is here!
Only 30% off? Bite me. I'll wait for the 50% sale.
: Congratulations to the Wildcard winners!
Typically weaksauce effort. OCE is never going to make it to worlds because we're just not good enough.
Gloric (OCE)
: I don't understand why Garen needs any buffs at all. He's somewhat too strong as is, especially early game, being able to out damage anyone in full tank itemization. Only really becomes killable if you 2-3v1 gank him or in late game. Mobility, silence, a 50% execute (pretty much) and overall damage without any damage items, just seems a bit much. And now true damage? I'm no pro, obviously, but he's one of the only champs i've had real trouble versing no matter what I play.
Well you're in luck then- these are NERFS. _BAD_ ones.
Orwulf (OCE)
: I may be missing something, but as far as it sounds to me, the {{champion:72}} change means that there are 6 spires around the map that he can take to buff him in the area. Cool. That's fine, doesn't sound super influential, but a cool addition. Those spires can also be destroyed by enemies to deny him the buff for a time and give gold. Hold up a sec. There's six of these, including two in the enemy jungle. And they can just.. destroy these for free gold whenever they go for their own blue or red unless {{champion:72}} counterjungles..? Let me know if I'm missing something or misunderstanding something, I'm just a little confused.
You're missing a LOT. They've completely gutted his entire kit, putting ALL the power they've removed onto the spires instead. Skarner now virtually _cannot fight_ unless he's humping a jungle objective (and he has to get their first, if the opponent's beat him to it he gets to eat shit) and his ganks are almost nonexistant thanks to the flat MS loss and moving his stun setup onto his E rather than his passive. This is the worst rework EVER.
: Are you serious? That would be ridiculous - Long silence on his Q and a slow on his E...nah, this new change is going to be all he needs
"All he needs"... right. Unless you meant "all he needs to make him unplayable". Oh wait, you WERE aware that his silence is being nerfed to 1.5 seconds max, he's losing the tenacity on his W and he now SLOWS HIMSELF BY 20% whenever his E is hitting an enemy champion, weren't you?
: "Mordekaiser earns full experience even in a duo lane" Wow that's pretty OP actually, you'd heavily outscale your lane opponents and control the botside jungle easily with how scary you'd get- "Also if you kill dragon you get dragon on your team" Jesus christ remind me to always play toplane if the enemy has a mordekaiser.
Yeah, because EVERY team likes playing without an ADC and with Mordekaiser having to lane against an enemy ranged champ and their support. And that's just what Morde needs to complete his "all-power spiked metal Sauron-on-steroids" look- a babysitter. You won't GET any dragons, because the enemy bot lane is going to _kick your ass._
: Gameplay update: juggernauts
If you could actually see the stat changes, you'd see that 3/4 of these reworks are utter garbage, and I'm not entirely sold on Darius either. Skarner is going to be made outright unplayable and Garen and Morde are going to get nerfed SO FUCKING HARD (when they're already underpowered). The idea of trying to force Mordekaiser into the bottom lane in place of the _ADC_ WOULD be the stupidest idea Riot have ever had, except it has to compete with tying Skarner's power to 6 pieces of immobile map terrain that his enemies can take away from him, leaving him an understatted, underpowered, helpless, worthless wreck. Although attempting to force Garen to build straight AD and then making him even EASIER to kite is up there as well. Riot have completely jumped the fucking shark this time. These reworks are possibly the worst EVER, at least at the moment.
: And why do you think that literally anyone on this forum would give a shit?
Well it means that I won't have to explain this as much to my team at the start of every game. Some people like to know these things.
iZulu (OCE)
: I know how you feel man, but you have to remember that not everyone is as good as you. I use to play with really bad players, trolls, afkers, feeders. Instead of quitting or giving up, I stuck in there, played as best as I could, and now im playing with platinums and diamonds, and im only silver. Work hard, and you will get rewarded. Good luck
Except, uh, that's not true. There are people who work hard their entire lives, only to die in poverty and squalor. The world isn't that pretty, and LoL is worse. I mean thanks for the sympathy, but I gave up on that "if you keep trying, eventually you will succeed" bull when I decided I didn't care any more. It's simply not true.
: Out of interest what division in Bronze are you? This sounds like something I'd expect from a very low elo player.
Well I WAS in bronze II last night. After 11 games in a row with only ONE that didn't have either an outright feeder or a ragequit/lag out 4v5 loss, I'm now in bronze IV. That is the exact reason I stopped giving a shit.
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ayy paps (OCE)
: rip oce talent
You're acting like it ever existed in the first place. This is OCE, buddy. There IS no talent.
: [FIXED] Ranked Queue Disabled - 17/07/15
Sooooooo... now that we _don't have ranked to play any more,_ any chance of you reenabling normal draft mode (which you deactivated years back on grounds of "not enough people playing it", regardless of actual evidence), at least in the short term? No, of course not. Because we're just OCE. Doing anything more than the bare minimal is more than we're worth, ain't that right?
Donation (OCE)
: Nami mid is viable.
I played Nami top once against Teemo. Destroyed him, despite giving up an early first blood when he hit level 2 first and Flashed in to go all-in with Ignite. He couldn't deal with the Ebb & Flow trades and eventually I could just Q him and tear him down with E autos. While Nami doesn't have great ratios, if you get enough AP on her she does become incredibly strong- her W scales UP in damage/healing on bounces rather than down once you pass 200 AP, and the movement speed from her passive and the slow from her E becomes absurd.
: In general, the players you are placed with are of equal skill to you. The only two scenarios that this fact would not be true is, 1. You're smurfing, 2. Your skill is either greater, or inferior to those placed in your matches, resulting in you climbing, or dropping divisions until you reach a division suited to you, where your win rate should be, give or take, around 50%. As you mentioned, LoL has many factors associated to how 'skillful' a certain player is at this game. Where as one person is better at securing kills during the lane phase. another may have superior map control, through warding and map awareness, a third player may lack skill in both these areas, however wins his matches through clutch decision making, baron/dragon/objective calls. The beauty of this game is that, every player has their strengths and weaknesses, however combined as a team, they can chose to capitalize on every individuals strengths and help bolster their weak points, or fall apart by failing to acknowledge what they are good at, and only picking at their weak areas, (most of the time, through flaming, "omg nunu, y u so noob. u no gank" Meanwhile, nunu has secured 3 dragons 20 minutes into the game.) Something I've noticed is that, the team with better synergy, not through champions, but through the players themselves, will be more likely to win. Example: http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/89272870/200202888?tab=overview We pretty much had two options in this game, where we were getting smashed in the early to mid game, 1. encourage each other to play better, and win the game through stalling, and listening to one another whether it be through chat or pings. 2. Flame, and crumble apart. and have a guaranteed loss. We chose option 1. The result? A victory where many players would've /ff'd at 20, hence denying a chance of victory all together. I later discovered (due to flaming in all chat/postgame) that the opposing team, while having a considerable lead on us, took option 2. as soon as things started to turn south for them. This game could have gone both ways, as both teams made errors during the late game. However, the one that stayed positive, won the game. Yes I understand that this doesn't happen every game, and sometimes you lose through AFK's or people that troll. However I assure you, once you get to mid silver, the trolls are basically nonexistent. I have won games 4 vs 5 and lost games 5 vs 4, so the AFK factor, may be crippling, but it doesn't mean you cannot win the game. Sometimes you may lose a game where everyone is positive, due to simply being outplayed. I also know that you cannot control five other players, however generally your calls will be taken into consideration if you're doing well. The last thing I know is that, the most consistent factor in ANY game of LoL,_** is yourself**_. How you chose to conduct yourself in game, based on your attitude, and the decisions you make, has a MASSIVE influence on the resulting outcome of the game. Someone flaming? Mute them, and encourage the rest of your team, especially the one the flame is directed toward. The last pick teemo that threatened to feed if he didn't get top going 0-3 at 15 minutes? Help him out, maybe he has been keeping up in CS, say "nice job keeping up in cs bro". It's little things like that, that build trust and encourage teamwork. I myself try to abide by this in each and every single match, note _**TRY**_. Sometimes I still argue, sometimes I still flame, however in most of my matches I don't. But for me, that's a massive improvement from flaming in nearly every match. After all, we're only human. Although I am only a low gold player, sometimes I duo queue with my friend in low silver, needless to say, even though I play champions that I myself have little to no experience in. We win through decision making and map awareness and haven't lost a single game so far. This, is enough to prove to me that, you don't have to be far greater than your opponents to win, you just need to play smart, have a positive attitude, and be a tad better.
> [{quoted}](name=Its Ezreal Time,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=tPOQVyui,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-05-10T03:58:19.082+0000) > > In general, the players you are placed with are of equal skill to you. OK, so if your entire argument is based on this single assertion, then it falls flat on its face at the first hurdle. What's your basis for claiming this? You've never been teamed with players so bad they can't find the QWER keys without spraining their fingers? As I pointed out, MOST players got dumped in Bronze at the start of this season (yourself included) so belief in any kind of skill parity among Bronze players is absurd. Also, your claim that "Your skill is either greater, or inferior to those placed in your matches, resulting in you climbing, or dropping divisions until you reach a division suited to you, where your win rate should be, give or take, around 50%." only makes sense if you're comparing your skill against your _opponents,_ COMPLETELY missing the point that your skill may be superior to _your own teammates._ So what happens when your skill is superior to your opponents, but the rest of your teammates are inferior and you lose anyway and fall divisions? Why, I believe your entire theory falls apart, doesn't it? Finally, you said that "The beauty of this game is that, every player has their strengths and weaknesses,". Come on. You and I and EVERYONE all know that some players ONLY have weaknesses. We've all been there. Yes, it's unpleasant. But it's also TRUE, just like global warming and the fundamental unfairness of life.
: Elo hell does exist.
No, Elo hell COMPLETELY exists (although it should probably be called "division hell" now, but that doesn't have the right ring to it). The most infuriating thing I hear about this game is "if you're in bronze it's because you're bad". This is a clueless and idiotic statement with absolutely NO basis in reality. Let's look at it a bit at a time: **POINT 1: It IS actually possible to lose a game through no fault of your own.** Do you believe that it's completely impossible for a player to lose a game for ANY reason other than their own incompetence? That ANY game they lose HAS to be their fault? Yes? Then you're a cretin. If one of my teammates never connects and we lose the inevitable 4v5, if one of them is a hideous troll who spends the entire game intentionally feeding, or if several of them are just _so cluelessly bad_ that they shouldn't even be allowed to queue for ranked, does that make the loss my fault? Of course it fucking doesn't! If I fulfill the requirements of my role as well as should be expected and someone else on the team doesn't, you know what that makes the loss? _Their goddamn fault._ After all, I'm 1 man on a team of 5. What makes it MY fault rather than any of my other teammates' faults? Oh, so we split the blame evenly and all accept 20% of the responsibility? But how is that fair when I performed much better than one of my teammates (and I don't just mean better KDA, I mean doing my job and not being stupid)? You can't just say "you're all equally at fault" when every player's performance is not equal, that's simply not reasonable. That's like a clueless kindergarten teacher saying that both kids are at fault so there should be no hard feelings when one stupid little brat stole the others' lunch, pulled his hair and pushed him over in the sandbox. That's called the [Golden Mean Fallacy](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoldenMeanFallacy). The first thing we have to accept is that _it IS actually possible to NOT be responsible for the loss of your team._ **POINT 2: "But, but, you should just be able to carry harder!"** Technically true. But riddle me this: how goddamn much better do I have to be, huh? Personally I rate my skill as silver/gold level or so (which is not actually that high considering this is OCE we're talking about here), largely because I have better than average game knowledge and awareness. If I'm not good enough to carry a bronze game with feeders, idiots, trolls and afks, how much better do I have to be? Platinum level? Diamond? _Challenger?_ I'm not THAT good and don't pretend to be. So tell me why I need to be _a goddamn Diamond_ to win games in _Bronze!?_ Even being a mere Silver-level SHOULD, by all rights, be enough because if you're a Silver-level player you "should" be in SILVER! Also, I don't always get to play carries. That's the way the game goes. When I'm support and my ADC sucks, I'm basically dead weight and there's nothing I can do. Had a complete waste-of-time game recently where the Jinx I was futilely trying to support couldn't last hit for nuts and rushed (although I use the term loosely because it took her _twenty minutes_ to complete it) an Essence Reaver as her first item (incidentally that game was followed by a Caitlyn who rushed BotRK and then Triforce and also had the map awareness of a dead sloth). I'm a naturally supporty player, maining supports and tanky initiator junglers (although I also play a very mean Karthus, Corki and Rumble). EVERY player does not have the opportunity to carry EVERY game. Sometimes you're relying on your teammates to carry for you as long as you support them. That's why certain roles and champions are called _"carries"._ Basically, it's stupid to say that any player who can't carry their team deserves to lose. **POINT 3: Your opponents are trying to win as well.** This isn't beginner bots, boys, even if some of the players may play like it. Say you're a silver, or even a gold-level player stuck in a bronze game and doing your best. What if your counterpart on the opposing team is a _plat_ level player who is simply better than you? You get dominated by the better player and your team loses. Does that make you a bronze-level noob just because you came up against a worthy opponent? (HINT: the answer is "no".) Something a lot of people don't understand (among other things) is that you can only solo carry a bad team if you are considerably better than the ENTIRE enemy team. Just because your bronze team are noobs doesn't mean that the opposing team are too, and if they're not, you're screwed, because overcoming overwhelming odds in LoL is based on _capitalising on your opponents' mistakes._ Someone has to win and someone has to lose every game. They don't magically "balance out". Speaking of which... **POINT 4: "If you deserve to get out of bronze, you will eventually rise."** OK, how does that follow? The logic seems to be that, as long as YOU personally are better than a bronze player, karma will magically lift you out of bronze hell (not the champion, the universal concept). But if, as we've already established, it's possible for you to lose a game through no fault of your own, HOW does it then follow that this cannot happen to you REPEATEDLY? "Oh, based on the law of averages-" Do you even know what you're talking about? Let me explain it: if you have _bad luck_ and happen to get repeated terrible teams (and I mean REALLY terrible) _you will repeatedly lose._ Why is this concept so hard for people to grasp? If you can lose 1 game through no fault of your own (and you can), then you can theoretically lose SEVERAL games through no fault of your own. There is absolutely NO universal law stating that you cannot get trolls, feeders and afks in back-to-back games. You do not "earn karma" for having a bad team that guarantees you will get a good team in the next game. If you toss a coin 20 times in a row, there is NO guarantee that you will get 10 heads and 10 tails; in fact, it's highly unlikely you will. **POINT 5: How do you get placed in Bronze in the first place?** As the OP himself explained, he ended the preseason in Gold V, but started this season in deep Bronze. The placement system for this season was _garbage,_ basically amounting to "play 10 games then get randomly dumped somewhere in Bronze regardless of the results or where you started from". So I think it's fair to say that there are a LOT of people starting in Bronze who never deserved to be there in the first place. Once there, though, you're subject to all the whims of fate outlined above. OK, so did everyone follow all those points? Good. Now go on with ignoring everything I said and telling me how I'm just a QQing noob who deserves to be in Bronze forever.
: Soraka - Way too overpowered.
I say unto thee, sirrah, thou art a cretin!
: Alright here are my findings. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You seem to get Sightstone, on any jungle and support. Support is good. But you on lt get Sightstone on a jungler as Lee Sin (Or characters that can make great use of them) You always get pinks too, Which is really good. Keep doing that. But as a jungler you want to pink your own jungle, save that 800 Gold (Sightstone) and get something else. If your not going for the *Cinder* enhancement then get Sunfire Cape. Armor + HP + Aura DMG is really good. Now speaking of junglers. Im not a huge fan of Darius jungling. You can still do it your just gonna have to work on a few points I will address later. Sejuani-Vi-Amumu are great junglers. Tanks, CC, and Gap closers <-- Really handy to have. Main those 3 (I do) -- Even as a jungler or the off chance you play a *Carry* Your CSing if very poor. Try and Average about 100 CS every 10 mins. Not 100 by 30 mins (Your latest Shen Jungle Game) There are ways to fix this. AoE clear junglers help. (Vi, Amumu, Sejuani) Or Smite enhancements. But I will be addressing Unconventional Junglers later. -- When you play Top, Jungle, and Support. You deaths go through the roof. This is not a good thing. Even if your trying to get 1 for 1 trades (Dont do that) Keep you deaths as small as you can. **Do not let yourself be the one that Snowballs the enemy** -- As a support main (Sona Main) I recommend changing starting support item. As an adc (When I do) I dislike seeing Thresh's get Shield. And seeing Sona's and Nami's get Frost Blade. Frost blade means you can only get Gold by attacking and using spells. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This works HEAVILY AGAINST YOU. Any good player worth there salt will capitalize on that. You will have to move into AA range or Spell cast range on order to get like 5 Gold. (5 Fucking gold) Ive had so many games where my *Support* goes in for some harass just to earn some gold. Gets caught, pulled, snared etc. And dies, 5 gold is no where near worth it. *Im just throwing it out there, I really hate that 'Support' item.* The coin is safer, and easier to get gold. It even upgrades to give an AoE move speed boost. Handy for engaging a fight and getting away from one. -- I have noticed that with some champions. You dont seem to have a core build follow up. *The sightstones* You play X-Y-Z champions over and over again, yet seem to do different things on them. What you want is like 3-4 Items that you ALWAYS get. the other 2-3 changes depending on what your team needs. -- Find a good build path, and stick to it. -- some of your rune pages *Not all of them, like 1-2* Seem really silly and dodgy. *1.74 CDR at LVL 18 and thats all you have? ...what?* -- Now to address your weird Jungling and supporting habits. 1. Practice Unconventional junglers thoroughly. (Darius + Shen) -- Keep in mind that YOU may know how they work and what you can and can't do. You team however, does not. The reason why the *META* is so popular and works wonders. Is because EVERYONE knows what things do. Most people dont know that Shens Q heals them. *WOAH* Yep, Shens Q actually heals those hit by a % of his Max HP. (Also as another note, dont go either AD or AP Shen. You can have a little of either or, NOT BOTH, he is a tank and you need to be that tank that peels for your carries.) 2. As stated above, just because you know how they work doesn't mean everyone on your team knows how they work. Back in the day, when I went shen support. Every game I told my team this. "(ADC CHAMPIONS NAME) -My Q heals you ok? I will be thoring it out on minions so you can heal up. Once I reach LVL 6, I will look for a gank mid or top. to try and save someone." Let them know of what you are going to do. <- very important. 3. You need to work on When and how you can start a fight. Pick your engages carefully, just because you can fight, doesnt mean you should. Apart from that, you just need to work on actually mechanics of the game. And you should be fine. (Practice makes perfect)
OK, thank you, it's always good to have an outside perspective, as long as the outside perspective isn't that of a troll. > [{quoted}](name=Yasei Doubutsu,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=ncu7WnIA,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2015-03-30T23:07:53.920+0000) > > Alright here are my findings. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You seem to get Sightstone, on any jungle and support. > Support is good. > But you on lt get Sightstone on a jungler as Lee Sin (Or characters that can make great use of them) > You always get pinks too, Which is really good. Keep doing that. > > But as a jungler you want to pink your own jungle, save that 800 Gold (Sightstone) and get something else. > If your not going for the *Cinder* enhancement then get Sunfire Cape. > Armor + HP + Aura DMG is really good. Questionable. If I'm playing a tank jungler, I'll always get Cinderhulk. If I'm NOT playing a tank jungler, why would I buy a Sunfire? > Now speaking of junglers. > Im not a huge fan of Darius jungling. > You can still do it your just gonna have to work on a few points I will address later. > Sejuani-Vi-Amumu are great junglers. > Tanks, CC, and Gap closers <-- Really handy to have. Main those 3 (I do) > > -- > Even as a jungler or the off chance you play a *Carry* > Your CSing if very poor. Try and Average about 100 CS every 10 mins. > Not 100 by 30 mins (Your latest Shen Jungle Game) I never focus on farming much, because I'm always looking for ways I can help my team in fights. I'm a HEAVY ganker. It's why I main jungle and support in the first place. > There are ways to fix this. AoE clear junglers help. (Vi, Amumu, Sejuani) > Or Smite enhancements. > But I will be addressing Unconventional Junglers later. > > -- > When you play Top, Jungle, and Support. > You deaths go through the roof. > This is not a good thing. > Even if your trying to get 1 for 1 trades (Dont do that) > Keep you deaths as small as you can. > **Do not let yourself be the one that Snowballs the enemy** "Through the roof" is a bit harsh... I die a lot when supporting mainly in mid- to late-game teamfights because I'm always willing to die for the team if need be. I never intentionally go for 1-1 trades > -- > As a support main (Sona Main) > I recommend changing starting support item. > As an adc (When I do) I dislike seeing Thresh's get Shield. > And seeing Sona's and Nami's get Frost Blade. > Frost blade means you can only get Gold by attacking and using spells. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > This works HEAVILY AGAINST YOU. > Any good player worth there salt will capitalize on that. > You will have to move into AA range or Spell cast range on order to get like 5 Gold. (5 Fucking gold) > Ive had so many games where my *Support* goes in for some harass just to earn some gold. > Gets caught, pulled, snared etc. > And dies, 5 gold is no where near worth it. > *Im just throwing it out there, I really hate that 'Support' item.* > > The coin is safer, and easier to get gold. > It even upgrades to give an AoE move speed boost. > Handy for engaging a fight and getting away from one. This is a matter of opinion and I have to disagree here. Popular wisdom (it's how they play him at the pro level) still holds that the Shield is the best item on Thresh as it compensates for his utter lack of lane sustain when trading and gives him the extra survivability he needs when he goes in off a Q hook. The Spellthief's Edge is easily the better choice for Sona because not only does her E makes the speed boost of Talisman of Ascension somewhat redundant, she already self-sustains through W, can harass for gold VERY easily with her Q (if you're not poking with Sona there's absolutely no point even picking her), her CC is generally poor so the Frost Queen's Claim's slow is more valuable on her and she needs the extra mana regen of the Frostfang in the mid-game (Talisman has more MP5 than Claim, but Sona should have another mana item by then- although this is largely due to Riot messig up her balance so appallingly). You're probably right about Nami, though, tend to miss her bubble a bit too often for the Spellthief to be a safe pick, even if she already sustains better than any other support except Soraka. > I have noticed that with some champions. > You dont seem to have a core build follow up. > *The sightstones* > You play X-Y-Z champions over and over again, yet seem to do different things on them. I actually haven't noticed that much myself. What are some examples? > What you want is like 3-4 Items that you ALWAYS get. > the other 2-3 changes depending on what your team needs. > > -- > Find a good build path, and stick to it. > > -- > some of your rune pages *Not all of them, like 1-2* > Seem really silly and dodgy. > *1.74 CDR at LVL 18 and thats all you have? ...what?* Erm... what...? Where's that? Maybe I had a stray CDR Glyph I forgot to remove from a few seasons back, when the CDR available from masteries added up to something different. I'll have to go over my pages with a fine-toothed comb. > Now to address your weird Jungling and supporting habits. > 1. Practice Unconventional junglers thoroughly. (Darius + Shen) > -- > Keep in mind that YOU may know how they work and what you can and can't do. > You team however, does not. > The reason why the *META* is so popular and works wonders. > Is because EVERYONE knows what things do. > > Most people dont know that Shens Q heals them. > *WOAH* Yep, Shens Q actually heals those hit by a % of his Max HP. > (Also as another note, dont go either AD or AP Shen. You can have a little of either or, NOT BOTH, he is a tank and you need to be that tank that peels for your carries.) > > 2. As stated above, just because you know how they work doesn't mean everyone on your team knows how they work. > Back in the day, when I went shen support. > Every game I told my team this. > "(ADC CHAMPIONS NAME) -My Q heals you ok? I will be thoring it out on minions so you can heal up. > Once I reach LVL 6, I will look for a gank mid or top. to try and save someone." > > Let them know of what you are going to do. <- very important. Actually, I used to start every Shen support game with a potted tutorial for my lane partner on how Support Shen works (sustain off the targets I mark, don't forget I have a Relic Shield, if I E onto the enemy and Ki Strike them, that doesn't mean I'm going all-in etc). I think I stopped this season because I couldn't be bothered any more, what with the general skill of my ADCs being somewhere around Wood V anyway. Quite a few of them seem to have caught on entirely on their own regardless and he works surprisingly often. > > 3. You need to work on When and how you can start a fight. > Pick your engages carefully, just because you can fight, doesnt mean you should. Oh don't I know it... One of my biggest failings is repeatedly going in to save teammates who make dumb plays, turning a single death into a double. I keep telling myself that next time I'll just let the idiot die- and then I do it again. Stupidity shared is stupidity doubled... > Apart from that, you just need to work on actually mechanics of the game. > And you should be fine. (Practice makes perfect) I'm well aware of that last point. I know for a FACT my grasp of the game's strategies and bigger picture is WAY above the level I'm stuck at (did you notice that in my Shen jungle game I placed almost as many wards as *the entire enemy team combined?*) but it's largely my mechanics that hold me back. It's why I gravitate to support and gank-heavy tank junglers rather than carries- they require better knowledge of what to do and are broadly mechanically easier. Thanks for that. A lot of food for thought.
RF Ra (OCE)
: PLEASE FUCKN NERF NOOB RIVEN
You're bad and should feel bad.
: Alright here are my findings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You ALWAYS take Teleport. Not saying its a bad thing, but you take it as Top, Jungle, Mid, ADC, and support. Will address that later. -- You seem to love building unconventional items on champions, that do not fit the bill. Will also address that. -- You feed in almost EVERY game, work on not dying. The less kills the enemy has the better. A 1 for 1 trade is not worth. Focus on CS and objectives. Towers-Inhibs >Baron-Dragon >CS(Untill a certain amount) then kills. CS is easy gold compared to trying to kill another champion. A champion is worth about 200 Gold give or take depending on there score. 1 CS is worth about 15-20. 1 Jungle minion 3 times that. CS is safer and easier to get then champions. -- Jungle Ryze? Im all for breaking the META Im a huge fan of Solwolf. But dont go into that stuff if you haven't practiced it. Solwolf does TONS of research and practice before he actually does it. [You lost that game, fed, had TP + Smite, 30 Min game and had less then 100 CS, Thats really poor] -- You go hybrid Teemo sometimes? either or bud, Hybrid hasn't worked since season 1. My personal opinion is Dont go AD teemo, go AP with Pen. -- You also.... Seem to always get Nashors on Malz.... That item is REALLY stupid on him. Go RoA (Maybe) Get AP with Pen. Pool + DOT + Ult = GG. [Dont ever get fucking nashors on malz. That is THE definition of a bronze move] -- You play X, Y, Z, A, B, C champions all the time. But you NEVER have a straight build path. Its ALL over the place. What I mean is Fix that, dont rush ATK SPD on ADC. (Normally as ADC you wanna get either BT-BOTRK-or IF as one of your first main items, then get SOME atk spd. Then get more DMG) -- You main ADC then APC it seems. Yet you still do ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of the above and dont seem to improve. -- You had the one *Cough* "Support" game, as Blitzcrank. Once again you got Nashors... Im starting to think you have a fetish for it. *sigh* As a support main this makes me REALLY sad. Rush a sightstone ASAP. Fuck EVERYTHING else. that is THE most important support item. Once you get it, swap Yellow Trinket for either Blue or Red (Pref Red for denying vision) You also fed in that game and had 50 CS. Im sure some of it is accidental, But you should be following your carries as a support. Dont go off into other lanes and go. MMMMMMM those creeps look really yummy right now. -- As a few additional notes you should work on these points. - Stop dying, dont chase after kills. NEVER EVER CHASE, turn around dont get baited into death go farm the jungle or CS. Which brings me to another point. Learn to CS. You should average about 100 CS per 10 mins. or 10 CS a minute. As an ADC and APC main that you are, your CSing is not good. Find.... A GOOD build path. and stop building nashors on everyone. -- Alright now thats all done and dusted. Heres what I want you to do. Start recording your games on Notepad or paper (Whatever). Record Your teams score (not names but who cares this is just for you) Record CS, KDA. W/L. Look at these at start looking at the picture. You will start to notice things, what you are doing wrong. And then you can start to fix it. -- Alright good luck I REALLY hope you leant something, because if you didnt. Then... whatever dont go ranting in the forums again. "Good luck in SoloQ and have a wonderful day-Gbay99"
Since you did such a good analysis, I wonder what you'd make of *my* match history? Yes, I know it's dangerous to be putting myself out here publicly like this, but I'm intrigued to think of what suggestions you might have. I mean, I KNOW I below in a higher bracket than I am now (ended last season Silver IV, got dumped by placements back into Bronze IV) so I wonder what you'd make of me. Just a few disclaimers: 1. Yes, I like playing non-standard champs (support Shen and jungle Darius are 2 of my pocket picks). I have a natural aversion to "playing whatever's OP" (except Sejuani, she was my main before it was cool) so I'm always looking out for something creative that no-one else does. You'd be surprised how often it works. 2. DON'T tell me I have to play more carries. Carries are simply *not my style*. You wouldn't expect Lemonnation or Madlife to play mid, would you? I don't CS well and I'm not fond of being in a DPS role; I prefer looking at the bigger picture and applying myself tactically, which is why I main jungle and support. Well, have at me, if you like. I'm interested in your feedback.
Yuwazza (OCE)
: Why SURRENDER RANKED?
If you're dumb enough to make a new account with the intention of *rebuying all the skins you already have* JUST to get yourself placed into a higher bracket by your placement matches (SPOILER: it won't happen, you'll play 10 games and then, win or lose, be dumped back in Bronze) then I have a piece of ancient wisdom for you that you might find helpful. It goes "A fool and his money..."
: NOW i know why people HATE ranked
I never WANTED to play ranked. I tried a bit of it back on the NA servers in seasons 2-3 but gave it up as a waste of time and was perfectly happy just playing draft normals- all the gameplay depth, half the stress. Then I transferred out to the OCE server, as we all did, only for Riot to pull Draft Normals out from under us for *particularly* moronic reasons a few months later, leaving ranked as the ONLY non-shit mode left in the game (blind pick is for scrubs). I've never forgiven them and, unless they reinstate it, I never will.
: Please help me get out of broze 5
HelloKids (OCE)
: Buff Lucian's [W]
If this is serious, it's funny. If it's a joke, it's not funny. Either way, you're an idiot.
Excited (OCE)
: Katarina players be like
Funny, I thought Kermit was a Fizz main...?
iNoob (OCE)
: tips for noobs to climb elo
8 . Abandon hope all ye who enter here.
: Player Behavior Design Values: Punishment
"But what about ranked restrictions? We’ve seen some players in regions where they’re live concerned that by shifting negatively-behaved players from the ranked queue into normal draft, we’re creating a Prisoner’s Island and just calling it something else. The key that makes ranked restriction different is that the overwhelming majority of players in normal draft are still neutral to positive. By slowly and intentionally introducing a very small minority of negatively behaved players and keeping them chat restricted during their path back to ranked play, we don’t disrupt the queue and players can compete in a more relaxed atmosphere as they work to reform. As a note, ranked restrictions are live in NA and EU and we’re committed to building and supporting the feature for all territories in the future." Well maybe if you BASTARDS hadn't deactivated Draft Normal queue on the OCE server for no damn good reason (you said you had one, but you didn't) this might be relevant to us. So, what's plan B, Lyte?
: What are the benefits in being positive?
If you need to have it explained to you why *not being an asshole* is a good thing, you should have been aborted. No, that's not an insult, I'm entirely serious about that.
: OPL Competitive Ruling: Rich Gang
If a bunch of dumbasses think they can compete as esports professionals while indiscriminately pissing on the rules and standards clearly set out by the competition organisers, purely on the basis of "THUGLIFEYOLOSWAG", then they officially meet the description of "too dumb to live" and we are all richer for being rid of them. Good riddance to bad rubbish, these losers would never amount to anything anyway. Dumbest team in esports history. Rot in obscurity, scrubs.
MOKES24 (OCE)
: No point in watching OPL now
: I'm sure I don't speak for myself in saying that the only reason I watched the OPL was for the RG banter. Shame on you RITO.
The only thing you watched the OPL for was the antics of a bunch of juvenile douchebag fratboys? I don't think Riot are the ones with anything to be ashamed about.
: I don't even LIKE mid. I'm not even that GOOD at mid. But I'll do it anyway, so when they say mid or feed you reply with no I wanna mid or feed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Well I'm better than them anyway. I don't feed. See, I'm not BAD at any role except ADC. I'm just best at jungle and support, with top as runner up.
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