: REVIEW THE BAN SYSTEM
you spoke to much and distracted your team mates you should have been perma banned.
Tomblade (OCE)
: Hi Karma x Sivir, I've had a quick look through your chatlogs - I'm not sure if you were sent the correct logs as it is very clear on my end where your negative behaviour was. Would you be open to sharing what you were sent in your ban email so we can discuss? Otherwise with your permission I will share the logs that I have.
can you post every chat log ive been reported in leading up to my ban?
: Banning your chat permanently doesn't solve the problem, it only pushes your outlet to somewhere else that is likely also harmful to other players (trolling, griefing, afking etc). You *yourself* need to find a healthy outlet for your frustration, rather than abusing random internet strangers and saying "I can't help it and noone will help me". It's your behaviour, and therefore your responsibility. Outsiders can only help you if you are *really* willing to be helped. Try yelling at your screen instead of typing, isn't practical in all situations but it might work for you. If that doesn't work try moving your chat off screen, or if you have a keyboard you can rebind (razer or some such) then unbind your enter key while you are in game. If you can't do either of those then maybe try to look a bit deeper into why you get frustrated and get some perspective. Is it because someone isn't doing what you tell them? Do you do what random strangers tell you when it doesn't make sense to you or is something they could do themselves just as easily? Probably not. Is it because your score is better than everyone else's but they won't follow you? KDA isn't everything and they know that, so if you want them to follow your lead, you have to give them a better reason than "I have a good score". Is it because you're having a bad game and you know you should be better but it feels like you can't catch a break? Take a break from the game (after you finish it of course), since clearly you aren't in the best space to be playing League. As for in the game itself, take a deep breath, back up and play it real safe until you can either catch up or help your team to pull something off. You don't have to carry to win, ideally you just have to not feed. Is it because someone on your team is toxic? What do you think being toxic back accomplishes? You might think it's closure or revenge, but really it's just fuel for their fire and stopping to their level. You don't stop toxicity by becoming part of the problem. Take a breath, and mute them. If you report them after game then they'll get their punishment in the form of a ban, which is far more effective than anything a random stranger (you) can yell at them. It's just not worth it.
Great points What about if the player has played for years, never been punished but never uses chat or sees the point to it, all it does is interver could they get it removed? If chat is removed permantly I think less people would be banned because toxicity In Chat is punished more then trolling.
: opt out of chat
before being banned. ive asked to have my chat restricted by choice and not allow me to use this function. the answer i got was it wont show if ive improved if the chat is not there to distinguish whether ive improved or not. however they never try to help me improve just constant punishments but that is another story.
: It's possible it was someone else that he reported, or it's possible it was from a game he played previously and only popped up then because it takes a couple mins to go through and he might have gone straight into a game.
no, they only reported me, so they knew it was me before i even saw any punishment dished out. why have the game that triggers the report and suspension of me, not show up on the player behavior card. it pops up straight away for the person doing the reporting and takes some minutes later for the punishment to be dished out
: And in all those restrictions you didn't think that maybe you were doing something not ok? But yes, they would have been, if you were only going through the automated system you wouldn't have had nearly so many chances, you would have had a 10 game chat, a 25 game chat, a 14 day ban and then a perma.
i would send a support ticket to riot explaining what i can do, the response i would get was to focus on my own game. it was in that order i had so many 10, 25 game chat bans. and 3, 2 week suspensions. was i doing something wrong if im getting punished i would say yes. i have more pride in myself and would rather play how i want to play and not belittle myself to not get reported,banned. if riot wants to push vision and teamwork onto its playbase and i go into a game where no one talks and have people on my team put down 5-8 trinkets in a 40 min game, then i would rather win or lose the way i want to play and do what i want to do. here is one of the conversations about becoming better Bright Dusty March 09, 2017 01:25 hello how are you? after completing my second 2 week punishment my behavior has improved, well i believe but its not good enough. im still showing signs of what is mentioned below by another rioter. before i get another 2 week suspension what can i do to improve on. go over my recent games and see what i can do better pls. Econetics (Riot Games Player Support) Feb 14, 10:31 PST Hey there, Your account was locked during a manual audit because we observed a pattern of excessive toxicity within a small period of time. This has resulted in a 2 week suspension placed on your account. Here are some Chat logs from games where you displayed offensive behavior: [3:14] Bright Dusty (Morgana): wow [3:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i can tell [7:11] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i wantyed to back cait pls use heal im so sick of adcs you cant use summoenrs it happens to often kid [10:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): whjy heal after i die? pls tell me [12:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls come bot gravesn and help get this tower im roaming if you wontr [17:27] Bright Dusty (Morgana): im not kidding you guys catn even use basic sumnmoenrs [21:13] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cass flash ultri [22:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait [30:29] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait why do you nerver ulti? [31:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls stop absuing me i just noticed you leave summoenrs up so long and barely ulti [35:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait real pls use summoenrs These are examples of berating your teammates by asking overly sarcastic questions with malcious intent. We will not be lifting the suspension due to the negativity observed. Keep in mind that if audited again for negative behavior your account will be permanently suspended. The good news is that most players will never reach that level of punishment. In fact, most players who have been warned or suspended are able to change their behavior completely; I am confident that with the right attitude you can avoid any bans in the future. Best of luck out there! Econetics Player Support Shuriman Acolyte Shurima? with this getting me 2 week banned for the second time in about a month and half. i knwo im still gettitng reported for similar less toxic behavior. as i believe getting reported no matter what is enough to get you punished. what can i do to improve my behavior Gunny March 09, 2017 11:02 Hey there my name is Gunny and I'm here to help you! So through a lot of your games and especially the ones that you are receiving reports from other players for I can see a trend of negative attitude. Most often this seems to be taking the form of passive aggressive comments or giving backhanded advice. When I find myself focusing on other players too much I end up playing worse and having an all around bad time. In times like that, I force myself to take a few days off from Leagues and come back to it with a fresh perspective. If that's not something you want to do, another tactic I like to use is to limit myself to not typing unless I am giving a compliment to another player or discussing something lighthearted (complimenting their good plays, kills etc.) I hope my advice has helped you out and I appreciate that you're looking to reform :D Have a fantastic day and feel free to hit me up with any other questions or concerns! Gunny Riot Games Player Support Bright Dusty March 09, 2017 11:57 What do you mean with back handed advice, I'm not familiar with that term. I like the idea of taken some days off, with uni starting up again it seems like the best choice. In my games I give compliments, like good play, or nice Cs, you're a good player, or nice comeback. However I tend to also mentoin when people throw, can't use abilities in the form of asking them why they can't use X summoner. It seems like for me, voicing my opinion is troubling. I get nothing for mentoining a compliment and every punishment possible for talking negative. You're response focusing on my passive aggressiveness confirms it. You bring up to mentoin compliments. If you look over my games I do give compliments, I say sorry for doing X play and throwing. Light hearted isn't worth it, my next punishment could be my last and given that any report can be taken to the extreme with my copy and paste with the previous rioter, do you really think something light hearted wouldn't get me reported and punished. Is there a possible way to impose a chat restriction? Mama Meep March 12, 2017 04:20 Hey there, I'm Mama Meep here to assist you on behalf of Gunny. We don't have a system to permanently disable a player's chatting abilities or issue chat restrictions outside of punishments. We personally feel as it won't be helpful to the community's game experience. Chatting is an essential tool for the game, and allowing players to disable it also won't give them the opportunity to truly reform. If you personally feel the chat-box is something you don't want to associate with, you can try these options: Disable All-chat in your options menu Type '/mute all' in your chatbox at the beginning of each game Click your 'Enter' key and then click on your chatbox to drag it off your screen Kind regards, Mama Meep Player Behavior & Game Support ❄️ Meep Collector ❄️
KaynMid (OCE)
: id just like to point out, its not that people think the report system doesnt work. its that we know the report system doesnt work. Lets lay out the groundwork. Automated system that by nature requires certain checkboxes to be ticked for punishment to actually occur. Weighted report system that makes your reports less valuable the more you report. The first option is well known, its automated thats a fact, and anyone with even subpar knowledge of programming (i myself am fairly proficient, infact i specialise in the types of ai/automated systems that riot would be using, but on a much grander more resource intensive scale (like neural networks)) knows that an automated system cannot look for something it doesnt know exists. namely for a report to be valid the automated system must look for a flag that it is preprogrammed to look for, be it a regex search for keywords with a weighted value on each word where you pump those numbers into an algorithm to figure out just how negative that players language is, like for instance the occasional %%%%% please wont get you banned as the weighting value of %%%%% is alone not enough to flag the report, but if you were to say string a sentence such as "you fucking %%%%%% i hope you get cancer and die" the words fucking, %%%%%%, cancer and die would all have weighting values that when combined would probably cause a flag to occur. Hence why its very very easy to cheat the system if you know what the system is actually looking for, like for instance passive aggressive trolling, where you use specific wording to anger your teammates without explicit language (well placed mmhmm's, lovely's, good jobs, etc) you wont get banned for that without a human audit, ill bet any money on that, but thats a discussion for another time. What is more pressing is the need for consistency in report to trigger action on the account coupled with the decreasing value of reports. Its well known that the more you report the less value in your reports, hell every time i make a new account i see that mythical "a player you have reported has been punished" message 5-10 times within the first week, then the well runs dry. Why? because i report often, very often, too often, but all my reports are always accurate. So on a brand new account i start off by causing punishment left right and center (as was the case when i made this account and any of my other smurfs) because my reports are actually valuable, but as you get into the thousands of reports made (like on my main) it very quickly devolves into seeing one of those messages every 2-300 reports. Which is a conflicting issue, requiring consistency in reports means that there is X number of report points (thats what we will call report value from this point forth) wasted just getting that player flagged for action. For every player that actually gets punished theres X number of players who have had their report points diminished without seeing any action actually made up until the point that last report that tipped the scale went through. Which is why the report system is damn near useless, your reports have next to no value unless you are the type of person to never report, and if you are the type of person who is trying to clean up the community by reporting your reports dont matter leading to the idea that the report system doesnt work (irregardless of my opinion on the automatic system that is true)
also now that i remember once the abuse happens, i surrender non stop, every mins if i can. winning or losing doesnt matter, when abuse happens i no longer want to play, so i surrender non stop till the game is over, eve nif the enemy has 3 inhibs down and we have baron ill still surrender. i dont troll i still play to win but im forced to stay in the game with people who have abused me and still are when ive got them muted or i get punished for leaving.
KaynMid (OCE)
: id just like to point out, its not that people think the report system doesnt work. its that we know the report system doesnt work. Lets lay out the groundwork. Automated system that by nature requires certain checkboxes to be ticked for punishment to actually occur. Weighted report system that makes your reports less valuable the more you report. The first option is well known, its automated thats a fact, and anyone with even subpar knowledge of programming (i myself am fairly proficient, infact i specialise in the types of ai/automated systems that riot would be using, but on a much grander more resource intensive scale (like neural networks)) knows that an automated system cannot look for something it doesnt know exists. namely for a report to be valid the automated system must look for a flag that it is preprogrammed to look for, be it a regex search for keywords with a weighted value on each word where you pump those numbers into an algorithm to figure out just how negative that players language is, like for instance the occasional %%%%% please wont get you banned as the weighting value of %%%%% is alone not enough to flag the report, but if you were to say string a sentence such as "you fucking %%%%%% i hope you get cancer and die" the words fucking, %%%%%%, cancer and die would all have weighting values that when combined would probably cause a flag to occur. Hence why its very very easy to cheat the system if you know what the system is actually looking for, like for instance passive aggressive trolling, where you use specific wording to anger your teammates without explicit language (well placed mmhmm's, lovely's, good jobs, etc) you wont get banned for that without a human audit, ill bet any money on that, but thats a discussion for another time. What is more pressing is the need for consistency in report to trigger action on the account coupled with the decreasing value of reports. Its well known that the more you report the less value in your reports, hell every time i make a new account i see that mythical "a player you have reported has been punished" message 5-10 times within the first week, then the well runs dry. Why? because i report often, very often, too often, but all my reports are always accurate. So on a brand new account i start off by causing punishment left right and center (as was the case when i made this account and any of my other smurfs) because my reports are actually valuable, but as you get into the thousands of reports made (like on my main) it very quickly devolves into seeing one of those messages every 2-300 reports. Which is a conflicting issue, requiring consistency in reports means that there is X number of report points (thats what we will call report value from this point forth) wasted just getting that player flagged for action. For every player that actually gets punished theres X number of players who have had their report points diminished without seeing any action actually made up until the point that last report that tipped the scale went through. Which is why the report system is damn near useless, your reports have next to no value unless you are the type of person to never report, and if you are the type of person who is trying to clean up the community by reporting your reports dont matter leading to the idea that the report system doesnt work (irregardless of my opinion on the automatic system that is true)
interesting, i do report alot. the people that abuse me in game. obviously i never get the full chat logs but i can assure you, my team in both those games should also be perma banned when im getting banned. ive had people respond with not wasting heal on you ******, and constantly abused, have players ask everyone in the game to report me non stop. i report and move on sometimes to get the same player the next game. anyway you seem to know some stuff about it. what do you think triggers my bans, what key word you think? i can assure you i dont swear, abuse in chat in my other games. its more or less what you see there. the worst Ive said i can remeber that triggered this ban was like "youre trolling why troll im reporting you" from what i remembered, or asking what peoples rank they are, after the 15 time of not using a summoner. just to add on the games where i get players and they do awesome and good stuff, i always tell the good job, or nice comeback, or we got this, stuff like that.
: I think there's a key fact you are missing here. Both of his punishments where issued after *manual* review. As you say, the automated system cannot understand behaviour it hasn't "learned", which is precisely why in cases like this, where someone is being reliably reported but the system can't determine the reason it is handled by a manual review. A case like this is not the norm, which is half the point of manual reviews, to handle fringe/unusual cases. As for report weight, it only goes down if you falsely report, perhaps you should consider what behaviour you are reporting, and if it's actually punishment worthy. I'm also fairly certain that report weight is no longer a factor (recent change), and that false reports are simply thrown out with no impact on the reporting player, but I've had some conflicting info so have to confirm that one.
its not just manual review, ive got chat restricted more times i can count, they all cant be manually reviewed?
KaynMid (OCE)
: id just like to point out, its not that people think the report system doesnt work. its that we know the report system doesnt work. Lets lay out the groundwork. Automated system that by nature requires certain checkboxes to be ticked for punishment to actually occur. Weighted report system that makes your reports less valuable the more you report. The first option is well known, its automated thats a fact, and anyone with even subpar knowledge of programming (i myself am fairly proficient, infact i specialise in the types of ai/automated systems that riot would be using, but on a much grander more resource intensive scale (like neural networks)) knows that an automated system cannot look for something it doesnt know exists. namely for a report to be valid the automated system must look for a flag that it is preprogrammed to look for, be it a regex search for keywords with a weighted value on each word where you pump those numbers into an algorithm to figure out just how negative that players language is, like for instance the occasional %%%%% please wont get you banned as the weighting value of %%%%% is alone not enough to flag the report, but if you were to say string a sentence such as "you fucking %%%%%% i hope you get cancer and die" the words fucking, %%%%%%, cancer and die would all have weighting values that when combined would probably cause a flag to occur. Hence why its very very easy to cheat the system if you know what the system is actually looking for, like for instance passive aggressive trolling, where you use specific wording to anger your teammates without explicit language (well placed mmhmm's, lovely's, good jobs, etc) you wont get banned for that without a human audit, ill bet any money on that, but thats a discussion for another time. What is more pressing is the need for consistency in report to trigger action on the account coupled with the decreasing value of reports. Its well known that the more you report the less value in your reports, hell every time i make a new account i see that mythical "a player you have reported has been punished" message 5-10 times within the first week, then the well runs dry. Why? because i report often, very often, too often, but all my reports are always accurate. So on a brand new account i start off by causing punishment left right and center (as was the case when i made this account and any of my other smurfs) because my reports are actually valuable, but as you get into the thousands of reports made (like on my main) it very quickly devolves into seeing one of those messages every 2-300 reports. Which is a conflicting issue, requiring consistency in reports means that there is X number of report points (thats what we will call report value from this point forth) wasted just getting that player flagged for action. For every player that actually gets punished theres X number of players who have had their report points diminished without seeing any action actually made up until the point that last report that tipped the scale went through. Which is why the report system is damn near useless, your reports have next to no value unless you are the type of person to never report, and if you are the type of person who is trying to clean up the community by reporting your reports dont matter leading to the idea that the report system doesnt work (irregardless of my opinion on the automatic system that is true)
interesting, i do report alot. the people that abuse me in game. obviously i never get the full chat logs but i can assure you, my team in both those games should also be perma banned when im getting banned. ive had people respond with not wasting heal on you ******, and constantly abused, have players ask everyone in the game to report me non stop. i report and move on sometimes to get the same player the next game. anyway you seem to know some stuff about it. what do you think triggers my bans, what key word you think? i can assure you i dont swear, abuse in chat in my other games. its more or less what you see there. the worst Ive said i can remeber that triggered this ban was like "youre trolling why troll im reporting you" from what i remembered, or asking what peoples rank they are, after the 15 time of not using a summoner.
: You don't always receive the notification, it is notoriously lacking. You only receive the notification if you are the very last person to report (i.e the report that results in the punishment). I f I had it my way you'd get a notification anytime someone you'd ever reported got punished (within like, I dunno 3 months or something), because more often than not it isn't one report or one games reports that gets someone a punishment, and there just isn't enough feedback for reporters. That reason aside even, it encourages toxic behaviour because there isn't the threat of consequence. Having a consequence doesn't matter much if it isn't communicated.
its also strange on something else that happens, because i get reported often. one of my 2 week suspension. i finish the game get reported, a player from the game adds me. i accept and they tell they just received the message saying someone that got reported has been punished (me) and swearing and abusing me but who cares about that. the system takes a couple of minutes to dish it out as it always does. however the issue was that the game in question never came up on my behavior report card. how does it want me to improve when the game that i just played, that got me suspended for 2 weeks. doesn't show up on reform card. it showed other games, but not the one that tipped it into the suspension that i got.
HeartVine (OCE)
: > where is the difference in asking something once getting no answer, and asking again till i get answer. I think the main distinction there is that the latter could be considered "spam", which is a breach of the rules (I believe one of the report options includes "spam" in the description). I'd recommend not asking more than 2-3 times. After all, if a player hasn't responded by then it's unlikely they will at all (it may even be a case of "language barrier" if they're not using chat). Similarly, don't overuse pings either. 1-2 in a specific situation should be enough, and if the player(s) in question don't pay attention there's really nothing more you could have done (I've got to be honest, I'm guilty of occasionally missing a ping and dying because of it). All that said, if you do see something that you think is negative behaviour, don't be afraid to report it. It can be said that not enough players use the report feature (likely because there's a misconception about the effectiveness of reporting, for the most part), so one report can really make a difference.
: Everyone has bad games, you might every now and again get frustrated and berate your team in the manner that you do. Such would be a case where there is a valid case against you, but a lack of negative history means you are essentially given a pass. You on the other hand, have proven over a vast number of games that it isn't just a bad day or a frustrating teammate, but rather simply the way you behave towards other players in general. What that means is that you have gone past your second chances and you "it's just a bad day" passes and are being punished for behaviour that the *community* has deemed unacceptable. A valid report is a report where there is evidence of negative behaviour. A false report would be reporting someone where there is no negative behaviour. As for how the system chooses what is and isn't ok, it doesn't, the community does. The community decides what is acceptable and what is not by what they choose to report. Players have been overwhelmingly choosing to report you, so that should tell you something about what they think of your behaviour. True your worst may not be racist or explicitly abusive, which is precisely why it has taken you this long to get to a perma, if it was that bad you likely would have only made it one or two games past your 2 week. The fact remains however, that you are exceedingly antagonistic and negative in a vast majority of your games, which in turn ruins the experience of others. Why should you be allowed to sour the experience for 4-9 other people and face no consequences? Especially after you have had your behaviour and the punishments explained, and been warned of what continuing would get you. You were told explicitly when you received your last punishment that if you continued your behaviour you would eventually see a permanent suspension. You claim your behaviour has improved but the chat logs above show all the same behaviour. You are constantly prodding and berating your teammates, questioning their every action instead of playing the game. You aren't helping your team and you aren't helping yourself. You are stopping yourself from playing, making your team second guess and tilt and not play well which results in you essentially sabotaging your team, both in gameplay and enjoyment, and in the majority of your games. Why should that be allowed to continue?
true true, good response. I don't go into a game hoping a player wont use heal for 10 minutes long or end the game with putting 5 trinkets down after repeatedly asking them to do so. I don't question everything, just the stuff i see and i think a better action can take place. where is the difference in asking something once getting no answer, and asking again till i get answer. I think it is where I have the big issue. I go into a team game with communication pushed onto me as a way to win games by riot and when i ask something in game. when is it appropriately to ask something about another player like why ward there and not here? If asking question in a team game with players i have no idea how they play or what they are doing is wrong then why have the chat feature at all? you should see the games where i ask something about a summoner or a ward and i get a response with didn't use it didn't think i needed to, i respond with kk. Ive asked a question i get a response and that's that, i move on. my problem is when i don't get a response and the player continues for another 10-20 minutes not using trinkets or summoners. i continually ask them them to use it and why not use it in that situation. you saying im tilting them because the players i question put down 8 trinkets in a 40 min game is tilting them? the 3 and 10 mid hiem who stands on a bush where i type its warded ping constantly and he dies and i get abused, is tilting my team. those examples from game 2 of the chat above. i do understand what you're saying but i don't go out of my way to criticize the players, the urgot in question in game 2 was abusing my as i was playing support and our vision was poor, i dont abuse back, i criticize why he has 2 trinekts up for 10+ mins and he should use it and not grief me. and the message i get from riot is that this is the worst 0.06 of the player base and crazy toxic and inflammatory. should i be allowed to show negative behavior and not get punished? the answer is no plain and simple. however the example i mentioned in the previous paragraph is considered negative where does it stop? that example is very clear in my memory, the others not so much, there is alot that happens in chat in the game that isnt on there. ive had people constantly put trinkets down in base non stop because ive asked them to use them, flash and heal on me non stop because ive asked them to use it, and that it would help the team if they did. and the behavior i show should get punished, however there is clear disconnect to the actions no one sees in those chat logs that doesn't get punished.
: Gehirn explained best the problem with your behaviour 6 months ago when you received your 2 week ban, and the volunteers elaborated on that for you. You were also explicitly warned that it was the *consistency* of your behaviour that was problematic and that if you continued in such a manner you would eventually see a permanent suspension. As you were told at the time, you get reported A LOT, and while they may mot be high priority reports like racism, that many valid reports against you doesn't speak well for your behaviour, especially over a not insignificant number of games. https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-strategy/7AvNjzRj-2-week-ban
Consistency shouldn't be an issue, whether I do it once or 1000 times there should be punishment, you're basically saying that the behaviour is ok if it's not consitant? What do you mean by that? What determines a valid report? How does the system choose what is valid and what isn't? Also my behaviour has improved each time, to point where by the chat logs above gets me banned even though at my worst I never was racist, or abused, my worst would be very negative depending on the context you take it. is it even worth playing when saying what I say gets the account suspended.
: Waiting for a Rioter to show his real chat logs and tell us this is his 4th offence.
If a rioter wants to show every game I've played from my perma banned to my previous punishment Pls do so. Got nothing to hide, never have never will.
: > Here are some Chat logs from games where you displayed offensive behavior: i mean riot said it right there. you got banned because someone else found it offensive (like you said its coz you get reported by multiple people that find it "offensive"). not because it's necessarily wrong. riot is just another liberal/lefty safe space for snowflakes. they need to outline specifically what is right or wrong, not the current system of "if the community doesnt agree with your behaviour then you are wrong". and specifically looking at your log, people are getting offended because you're criticizing them, which, as you know, is not tolerable by liberal snowflakes. sooner or later ranks and ladders will be abolished so everyone can participate equally and not be offended by competition and criticism that comes with it (already happening in schools).
Kinda agree well not with the lefty liberal safe space stuff, however I think these days when something is criticised you will get reported. If someone critics my play I'll listen, take it in if it's worthy information, respond back and move on, if I don't like it I ask them to be quiet or mute. I wouldn't report someone for mentoining what's the thought process behind my actions. I thinks it's a play style thing, I talk others don't.
HeartVine (OCE)
: I think you've missed the point I'm trying to convey. Based on the chat logs you've provided, this ban appears to be a false positive, and shouldn't have happened in the first place (in my opinion). The system isn't perfect, and so false positives will happen on the rare occasion. I still recommend appealing with Support, and attempting to regain access to the account.
here is a response i got in February below, that after i got a 10 game chat restriction i immediately got a 2 week ban. i ask what did i get banned straight away and not allow me to improve my behavior. I wouldn't say i was ever crazy toxic but my behavior was negative and could improve and i believe from each punishment it has to a degree. it took me 3 or 4 days to come off a 2 week suspension and get perma banned for in game chat of what Ive posted above. Econetics February 15, 2017 04:31 Hey there, Your account was locked during a manual audit because we observed a pattern of excessive toxicity within a small period of time. This has resulted in a 2 week suspension placed on your account. Here are some Chat logs from games where you displayed offensive behavior: [3:14] Bright Dusty (Morgana): wow [3:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i can tell [7:11] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i wantyed to back cait pls use heal im so sick of adcs you cant use summoenrs it happens to often kid [10:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): whjy heal after i die? pls tell me [12:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls come bot gravesn and help get this tower im roaming if you wontr [17:27] Bright Dusty (Morgana): im not kidding you guys catn even use basic sumnmoenrs [21:13] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cass flash ultri [22:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait [30:29] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait why do you nerver ulti? [31:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls stop absuing me i just noticed you leave summoenrs up so long and barely ulti [35:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait real pls use summoenrs These are examples of berating your teammates by asking overly sarcastic questions with malcious intent. We will not be lifting the suspension due to the negativity observed. Keep in mind that if audited again for negative behavior your account will be permanently suspended. The good news is that most players will never reach that level of punishment. In fact, most players who have been warned or suspended are able to change their behavior completely; I am confident that with the right attitude you can avoid any bans in the future. Best of luck out there! Econetics Player Support Shuriman Acolyte Shurima?
HeartVine (OCE)
: I think you've missed the point I'm trying to convey. Based on the chat logs you've provided, this ban appears to be a false positive, and shouldn't have happened in the first place (in my opinion). The system isn't perfect, and so false positives will happen on the rare occasion. I still recommend appealing with Support, and attempting to regain access to the account.
Sounds reasonable to to appeal ban, however I've been chat restricted more times I can count, have had 3, 2 week suspensions all for the same behaviour, what ive pasted above. I've asked support countless times why am I getting chat restricted why do you constantly suspend my account its all the same I get reported therefor I get punished and the systems reacts stricter to people with more reports. I'm annoying as, however as you can see I dont abuse I don't want to abuse. I read over the links riot support has linked me about improving my behaviour and non if it mentions my behaviour. It's all about lol can be an intense game and you shouldnt take it out on the players or stuff like that. I get told to focus on my behaviour and don't worry about others, that's fair its way to not get punished in the future, but getting punished because I realise other players aren't doing stuff I would do asking them to do it and why aren't they doing it, shouldn't mean I should get punished for it.The constant lack of support from riot support, and to be punished like I have, maybe this game isn't for me anymore. I've read over the terms and agreement and if riot wants to suspend my account for no reason they have the power to do so and I have to agree with it, however to be punished for being told I'm one of the worst toxic players to play this game and that's why I'm getting punished is upsetting from the chat logs i get shown on why I'm so bad. If other players don't like what I say then they can mute me, it doesn't mean I'm abusive.
: ayyyy 90% sure i had you on my friends list dude and if i remember right you were friendly and not toxic at all, but yeah unfortunately the system is from bots not people, like if it was actual people monitoring it they couldnt be that stupid(could be wrong on that one) like ive sent tickets when i got tempd, and they just send you a generic thing of "you didnt follow the rules" not what rule or why, but thats the risk you take playing online games, bad company but alright game, either make a smurf or invest in a new game, again bad luck dude, sucks that it happened <3
Your name sounds familiar, I do get reported a lot I can be annoying as. But is annoying consider worthy enough for perma ban? Anyway playing some fortnite on xb1 it's a fun with its own set of issues and this ain't 2011 or whenever where league is fresh and exciting the moba is being copy and pasted and there are plenty of other great games out there. If this is what happens to the player base then glad to be gone
Fitzky (OCE)
: Either a false ban or you manually edited out stuff, however I got recently banned for bullshit reasons so I wouldn't be surprised nowadays how sensitive and uptight Riot has become.
Never edited stuff straight copy and paste of what I get when I log in, or attempt to log in. If riot sees that and wants to put up logs of everyone in the entire game Pls do so, or put up every chat log from all my games since my last punishment Pls do so. I've been punished previously for the same behaviour
SEKAI (OCE)
: There are usually 3 exhibits but you only have 2. Whatever. If you believe your ban is faulty, you can always support ticket in with Riot. They will unban you if it's indeed faulty, or having a lack of ground to justify the ban.
My ban isn't faulty nor will ask support to reverse the ban, my behaviour gets reported a lot. If my team mate won't use heal to save me I ask, if the don't answer I ask again and again. If a player has 2 trinkets up and won't use them and keeps getting ganked I ask them use it over and over the problem is players won't answer and won't adjust there play. The response I do get is abusive toxic and the game spirals into a mess, where by the end im asking to not be abused. My behaviour is consistant to what is shown I've been punished many times for the exact same thing, I've constantly messaged support numerous for help on my behaviour and there response focus on my self. I've even gone as far as to ask them to remove chat for me all together because I'm not changing my behaviour and the response was that you need to have chat to show improvement in your game. If this is what league has become whereby attempting to communciate with players in a team is reportable because I'm annoying them than I would rather not play. I'm sure my response from riot will something along the lines of your behaviour is negative there fore toxic therefore you got punished. The point is anything that someone doesn't like is negative, which comes under the Umbrella of toxic and riot will stick by that and not alter it
HeartVine (OCE)
: These chat log seem extraordinarily benign for something that resulted in a ban. I honestly can't believe that this is something that would trigger a punishment on its own, I really can't see anything that sticks out, certainly not anything that's "extremely inflammatory and offensive". As Sekai has suggested, you're best course of action is to appeal the ban by submitting a ticket to [Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us). They will pass it onto the relevant team (Player Behaviour, if I'm not mistaken) and you can get it sorted with them.
I don't want a reversal of punishment, my actions are my own and will do it all over again. The problem is I know for a fact that game 1 I was most likely reported by all my team. If you could see the full chat by everyone then everyone on my team should be perma banned. Have contacted support however im not asking to undo the punishment, I have more pride in myself to ask and if a game doesn't want me to play with behaviour like this and allow people to abuse me, troll me and grief me then im glad to be gone. What I did contact support for is clarification on the what is consider extremely inflammatory and toxic, and if im the worst 0.06% of the player base then what were the poeple in game who abused me.
Fitzky (OCE)
: Either a false ban or you manually edited out stuff, however I got recently banned for bullshit reasons so I wouldn't be surprised nowadays how sensitive and uptight Riot has become.
Never edited stuff straight copy and paste of what I get when I log in, or attempt to log in
Rioter Comments
: your next will be perma ban :P{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
what makes you think that? everything ive seen is after a 2 week ban is perma ban. there is a huge disconnect in terms of reports and level of toxicity i think. I get reported a lot i mean alot more then people who get perma banned.
Rioter Comments
Birdious (OCE)
: Silver 1 Support Main LF ADC
plat? almost gold 5? dude as i tell you, ill duo with you when you randomly play mid you seem to win all day, some how being a one trick thresh main. almost like your account has been boosted.
Main Line (OCE)
: Game 1: Your teammates are Gold, and as we know in OCE, Gold is the new bronze. What you could have said **once** was, "please use heal to save me sometimes" and leave it at that. Also stuff like "ward bush for vision if you have a spare trinket". And leave it at that. If they are boosted monkeys, they won't listen. Nothing you can do about that, focus on your own gameplay. You took Ziggs support, so know the limits of the monkeys and play accordingly. The best plays don't always apply to soloqueue. You have to account for monkeys, so learn early how good your teammates are, and adjust to that. Game 2: Once again the people that you comment about are Gold. Don't expect players in flex queue to be good. Starting wraiths is fine for junglers with AOE. Yorick may fit the bill. Focus on your own gameplay. Once again you took a support (Ezreal,?) with no crowd control, healing, or shielding abilities. Did you try to get mid lane but because you couldn't you just play AP mages in the support role? Perhaps you also upset your team this way, leading them to report you for trolling. But the main point about this game is if they are monkeys and talking smack, just mute them and don't retaliate. THEY ARE MONKEYS THEY WON'T CARE OR LISTEN TO YOU! Game 3: Bright Dusty: ummm why didnt blityz exhasut? Because he made a mistake maybe? Or maybe he wasn't in range, or maybe he was crowd controlled? Or he's a Gold 5 monkey. Bright Dusty: amumu why banadage out of baron pit? Bright Dusty: why knock hgim away lol Questioning previous plays is a waste of time. Especially when you are in low elo. Nobody likes to be questioned when they made a mistake. It's better to give positive advice and when bad plays happen, just say nothing. You have to realise that Amumu is **two tiers** lower than you in this flex queue game. No use crying over spilt milk. Saying stuff like "muted", or "reported", does nothing to help team morale. Just do the actions and **SAY NOTHING**.
I play alot of off meta supports and enjoy them. Support ez and ziggs being very fun to play. The game where I say can I mid. We load into the game and the mid planer dcs and I wait 30 seconds and ask should I mid or something like that thinking the mid later might not be back. I'm not going to say my games aren't toxic, however I'll argue I'm not toxic and more annoying and the stuff I see other people type in game is disgusting I wish riot reveal all chat in my games
: Unfortunately League is known for it's toxic community, so most people will assume you're asking rhetorically to be a *badword*. I know plenty of people who ask without wanting an answer. :( As a support main I've seen adc's forget to heal ALL the time (even my duo does it). Mistakes are a part of human nature, it doesn't mean they did it on purpose. If you want to know why they did a certain mistake I can give you the answer: Players are human, we make mistakes and bad calls ALL the time! For future games try phrasing questions and statements differently. When someone makes a mistake in my games I say "oh bad luck, next time lets do x" This gives them advice for the future, it also lets them know that you aren't angry at them (even if you are >:P). Changing the way you say things can help your teammates focus on the game and improving themselves. I'm blatantly optimistic, and it tends to help win games. (I would say look at my match history but i'm sick af and not playing well) But gl hf, I hope your games go better!
You say forget but how are you sure? Do you ask them and find out? I should phrase it differently but then I'm filtering myself which shouldn't happen. I have more pride in myself and asking stuff the the way I want is who I'll rather be. I don't won't and shouldn't have to filter a question a certain way to not get punished over and over. Asking another way is better for me not getting punished but it's not for me
: Read over it all, and try see if your comments are positive or negative. A positive comment will help your team or teammate and congratulate them for their achievements A negative comment is you venting your anger, the comment does not help your team, or give them advice, it questions their ability and their skill level. Calling gg early, calling people boosted or saying they're inting etc. A neutral comment is "trains go nyoom" or "Lets get baron they're all ded" It's something without any emotion. We all have bad games, think about how you say stuff because your comments can affect how your team plays. Your comments were mostly negative, and I agree with Riot's ruling. If someone is abusing you, mute them and report them, don't answer back. I don't know what they were saying but you played the victim card while still being negative. People all have bad games, staying positive can turn games around. #StayPositive {{champion:99}}
Good points there. You present a good way to play any game. I'm not going to act innocent I'm annoying as. However with out the time stamps and visual of what's happening in game this doesn't tell the whole story. some of the points you make I agree well pretty much all of them. However my train of thought is coming from a different area. If I ask someone why they won't heal or do a certain thing which I don't agree with. I ask them why, I don't abuse I don't threaten. Alot of the times I don't get an answer so I ask again to the annoyance of my team. If here why they play a certain way I'm going to preform according this player is more, lea aggressive. If I ask what rank an adc after he dies with flash up 2 times in the first 5 minutes I'm wondering how do I support him is he a gold 3,4 and I should play more safe with him is he plat 4,5 and expects me to go all in. My intention isn't to come across like that however it is how it is. If league is being pushed to communicate to win games and I ask what rank they are? Or why didn't they do a certain thing? Like using flash, heal and I get no response I ask again and the game becomes increasingly annoying
Fitzky (OCE)
: The way I see it, Riot and the player base have fucked each other, the player base became so shitty and toxic that it caused Riot to become extremely sensitive and ban people harshly which in turn made the player base even worse and so forth. It's just a never ending cycle, even with the new honour system people are still toxic as ever and even in some cases where people are trying purposely to suck up for honour, its just causing even more toxicity to occur. But I do agree it's pretty funny when Riot stated that the chat itself is not needed for communication (such happens when you get chat restricted) but they simply won't remove the chat itself, instead they just perma-ban the account and the player is even more tilted and pissed off so they go and create another account then BOOM another toxic account is born.
ive asked them to remove the caht for i would rather not have it, they insisted the chat will stay for me to show improvement in my behavior, how about you remove the actual chat that is causing the player base distress. if they want the chat there, help me get better instead of punishing me for using the chat in an annoying way, what i type in game is no where the abuse i see take place. its like they wont remove the chat for me to show improvement in my behavior but then don't offer any help or encouragement but to punish me if i don't improve.
: Riot promotes toxic behaviour.
wow bro 84 perma banned accounts is a bit much, ive been twice 2 week banned and constant chat restrictions one after another, i say im the rare case where what im saying can be seen as toxic, or it cant, i do admit im annoying but dont abuse, threaten or anything in that nature. however i do get reported for my annoyance and riot acts on it, im not toxic so the wont perma ban me, but i get reported so the system punishes me. ive seen games where i ask why players dont use certain summoners like heal and get a response of stfu, kys, retard, constantly it happens more often then not. i ask them to stop abusing me and ask again why they didnt do a certain action. i keep asking till they answer by the end my team is annoyed with me i get reported by everyone and the summoners who told me to kys and wont use heal on a retard like you or i wanted you to die, gets no punishment because they do not annoy other players. its a pact mentality especially in game. ive constantly ask riot in support tickets why not help me get better, instead of punishing me non stop lets focus on improving communication overall in league something i could benefit from instead of keep banning me. ive even ask to remove the chat function for i would rather not have it. if riot wants to punish me and not the players who abuse me i would rather not have the function. overall ive been 3 or 4 x 10 game chat restriction 2 x 24 game chat restriction 1 week (i think) suspended 2 x 2 week suspended and currently in a 24 game chat restriction a couple of games after a 10 game noting i say is abusive or toxic, that is why my account isnt getting perma banned, however im annoying and it all comes under the umbrella of negative behavior, riot stands behind those words and anything you do is stapled with negative behavior and no one wants to look into it. and constantly its your choice to type respond in chat, however when someone tells me to stfu retard in game and i ask the to stop abusing me and ask why they do a certain thing in game, i seem to get punished and not the other. you could make an account and lose every ranked game on purpose as on as you hard inting down mid and nothing happens however if you become annoying in game riot punishes that harder then anything else
: idk you look pretty antagonistic to me lmao, and the fact that you are flaming a jungler for starting on raptors which is correct on half the meta junglers is pretty interesting, i dont have any sympathy for you lmao
Rioter Comments
Y0UKN0WME (OCE)
: LF Support main for Duo
: Because the automated system is shithouse. Pure and simple. The problem is as mentioned earlier, how does an automated system differentiate between a bad player and someone doing it intentionally? Simple, it can't. The only thing that works ok atm is the chat ban and thats because it's easy for an automated system to pickup on keywords, phrases etc. I've been saying this for a long time now and Riot simply turn a blind eye to it. Feed all day long, ruin people's games but don't you DARE say anything half toxic to them otherwise you'll be the one receiving a chat ban. Pretty sad, but that's league for you.
You get punished harder and faster for chatting then feeding, passive inting. Ruining the game completely is punished less then something where someone can mute and have more control over. Read over what I've posted on why I got 2, 2 week bans a couple of months ago, and the rioter response in the support ticket. You can chat all game but as sons as someone finds it annoying and reported, punishment soon follows, however feeding passive inting non stop hours on end and nothing happens.
: You cannot ban someone for playing bad, maybe that is just their skill level. Maybe you should be more supportive and help him become a better player by telling him where he is going wrong. Unless he is deliberately walking into the enemy turret to give kills over to the opposition, (I have seen this happen) Then that might result in a player being banned. But for feeding? You need to be more specific.
The player in question legit uses bots every game, the bot just pushes doesn't recall and feeds most game. The feeder post the videos online on YouTube all in Chinese. He records and bots in the games with sometimes one video being about 10 hours long and even that is sped up so almost 15 hours straight of feeding. There has been threads of reddit on him, not that popular I think. The YouTube channel goes back to almost a year I think of 1000s of hours of passive inting up to 10,15 hours at a time. If you go to the YouTube channel bare minimum there a videos posted of 6hours being very short for this player of them passive, inting feeding on all servers non stop. He just sets up a bot, sets up a recorder and must do something else for that day. Then post it all online.
: Intentional feeding will skip you straight to a 14 day ban, since obviously a chat restriction would do nothing for in game behaviour such as this. It;s worth noting that the step after 14 day is permanent, so I'd recommend keeping that in mind. Intent feeding is never ok, even if you have a bad team.
I've had a 10 game chat restriction and another 2 week ban after my initial 2week ban. Why do you say that after a 2 week ban is perma ban which isn't the case? Also what do you think of the rioter im the tainted minds fiasco?
: On Tainted Minds
where are those people with the green names on the forum now? like heralds for galactus i usually see them handle the little stuff and control the masses on behalf of their riot overlords. got my popcorn waiting for them to come by and explain how riot is perfect, and we are all deluded to think otherwise.
: You really think they have the manpower to individually go through every single game played for that duration and adjust the LP?
It's not about the manpower, or how how hard it is. If I go to work and not do a certain role because it's to hard, I'll be looking for a new job. I was away during this time, so it doesn't effect me. But for the players it did effect and the response being addressed as to many factors make it to hard, but not impossible is very tilting. It's about the response, do they have the manpower probably not, however not having the manpower isnt an excuse to say it's to hard to the players it did effect.
: i just went to bathroom for a sec to release ma urine jesus fk stop trying to make logic out of what they are fking on about. fuck its ma promo of course im not goin afk. Why would i be pissed if i intended to go afk
: fucking retarded riot fuck you
Did you forget, or afk in terms of doing something else. It's almost impossible not to lock in looking at the screen and paying attention. You call riot retarded but can't seem to concentrate on a part of this game for 30 seconds when needed.
Zatyr (OCE)
: Anyone else banned for botting, but havent been botting?
I get constantly chat restricted and 2 week bans for being annoying, and coping a lot of reports. There are other issues with riots punishments. They are judge, jury, and executioner. I just hope they stay consistent, and not lesson the punishments when the active player base starts to drop.
: Gehirn has adequately addressed all your questions. I'd advise you to take special note of the report feedback in his second post, as those comments are direct from players. If those are the only two lines where you think you are paying out your team then you are sorely mistaken. >[3:14] Bright Dusty (Morgana): wow [3:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i can tell [7:11] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i wantyed to back cait pls use heal im so sick of adcs you cant use summoenrs it happens to often kid [10:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): whjy heal after i die? pls tell me [12:28] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls come bot gravesn and help get this tower im roaming if you wontr [17:27] Bright Dusty (Morgana): im not kidding you guys catn even use basic sumnmoenrs [21:13] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cass flash ultri [22:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait [30:29] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait why do you nerver ulti? [31:25] Bright Dusty (Morgana): pls stop absuing me i just noticed you leave summoenrs up so long and barely ulti [35:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): cait real pls use summoenrs These are the lines where you are paying out your team. Please note, that this is all of them. The chat logs the Gehirn provided tell much the same story, and speak to it being the case for entire games, over many many games. That is just not on.
im trying to take special consideration of the feedback form the players, but im not sure if they match up from the games in question. you say "These are the lines where you are paying out your team. Please note, that this is all of them." what do you mean?
Gehirn (OCE)
: Game 3: [0:20] [All] Bright Dusty (Leona): glhf [1:33] Bright Dusty (Leona): can we group early pls i dont liek kat roaming around [3:35] Bright Dusty (Leona): thast why you ban kat [3:37] Bright Dusty (Leona): everytime [4:15] Bright Dusty (Leona): ummm [4:19] Bright Dusty (Leona): anyreason you wonyt trinket ? [4:26] Bright Dusty (Leona): you have 2 [4:37] Bright Dusty (Leona): draven [4:43] Bright Dusty (Leona): ok enjoy lane [6:26] Bright Dusty (Leona): dravne wont chat to me [6:54] Bright Dusty (Leona): i ask draven why76 he wont trinket he doesnt want to chat hthen our chances of winning drop nopt my problerm [7:01] Bright Dusty (Leona): you walking back tyo laen [8:12] Bright Dusty (Leona): so draven why wouldnt you trinket [8:17] Bright Dusty (Leona): you wlaking backl to lane can you answer me pls [8:26] Bright Dusty (Leona): goodlucxk with the lanbe [8:55] Bright Dusty (Leona): to many players get salty over the littliet opf stuff [8:59] Bright Dusty (Leona): hewy draven why wotn you trinket?> [10:58] Bright Dusty (Leona): dravne pls stop ping and let me consentrate [11:57] Bright Dusty (Leona): dravne why wotn you asnwer a simple quesiotmn you tilt me and greif me badly [12:40] Bright Dusty (Leona): nope [12:59] Bright Dusty (Leona): iu liek to commcunaite wiht my team and the person im lannign wiht [13:04] Bright Dusty (Leona): pls stop absuign me [13:35] Bright Dusty (Leona): go0ne no one is coming [13:53] Bright Dusty (Leona): no offense but if want to commucniate with draven and he doesnt then thast that [15:31] Bright Dusty (Leona): soz guys nto having a good ghame im trying [17:05] Bright Dusty (Leona): dravne you ok man [17:16] Bright Dusty (Leona): being dead doesnt take away from ytuor concentration? [17:35] Bright Dusty (Leona): draven ? [18:11] Bright Dusty (Leona): ? [18:44] Bright Dusty (Leona): people who dont communciate win less thast 2what riot says fravne [19:56] Bright Dusty (Leona): come drga not chase kat lol [20:42] Bright Dusty (Leona): draven why wotn you trinket [20:45] Bright Dusty (Leona): i doitn get it [21:00] Bright Dusty (Leona): i really dotn get it graves keep coming dsown bot andf yopu wotn trinket it is relevant [21:31] Bright Dusty (Leona): thast whjy you ban kat [21:33] Bright Dusty (Leona): ewverytime [21:47] Bright Dusty (Leona): ummm [21:55] Bright Dusty (Leona): ahri and dravenm why not usae summs and wuin that fight? [22:42] Bright Dusty (Leona): thast why you ban kat [22:45] Bright Dusty (Leona): everytime [23:08] Bright Dusty (Leona): draven you ok [23:21] Bright Dusty (Leona): yoiu seem to have trouble using summoners what i [23:59] Bright Dusty (Leona): dravne can you constrate to the chat now? [24:16] Bright Dusty (Leona): did you get fil ladc? [26:26] Bright Dusty (Leona): thast why you ban kat [26:34] [All] Bright Dusty (Leona): ggwp\ [26:38] [All] Bright Dusty (Leona): lol what did i say? Game 4: [0:31] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): we have a tryn [0:34] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): hows it going bro [1:07] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): wait for those fgools [1:10] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): hahahahahahahahahaahhahahaa [1:34] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): i might exahsut draven can we burst him? [1:46] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): im going for it gho ham [2:35] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): ddue [2:43] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): why aurto the rumble weh have the kilsl on tyhem [2:55] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): i think im getting trolled [3:02] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): you kept chaging auto targets [3:05] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): d oyou attack mover? [3:14] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): do you attack move or click tyhem? [3:21] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx? [4:10] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx has muted mne [4:16] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): im taking cs guys i dotn care [4:36] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx is a good playa but when i ask something i expect my team nto to troll me kk [4:58] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): dontm come into ranked thinkgoing you can troll me jinx [5:26] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): still havnt answered me jinx [5:44] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): im sorry guys i dotn expect to be trolled [6:35] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx you ready to play as atema? [6:41] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): not yet ok [7:03] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx you want to answer my question or keep trolling your team [8:54] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): dont roll me jinx [9:09] [All] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx thinks they can troll me lol [10:07] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jixn ytou ready to asnwer my question [10:42] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx you ok [10:47] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): why not talk to me and help me out psl [11:06] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx you ok [11:31] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): i liek to communicate and im sure the simple quesiotn of hey jinx ydo you attack move or click [11:35] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): isnt that hard to answer [11:47] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): they are greifing me by not answering it and trolling all of us [12:18] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): of course not yas [12:32] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): typing has nothign to do ttwith the champion lol [12:44] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): as a player i like to commucnaite and jinx doesnt want to [13:02] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): ive asked a basicv quesiotn like 10 mins ago and jinx wqont help the tewma out [14:12] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): im sorry guys nto having a ghood game im on tilt [14:57] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx you ok? [15:00] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): why not help me [15:12] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): do you attack move or click to auto ? [15:26] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): so tilted jinx xan you help me psl [15:37] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx? [16:16] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): well can someone translate for me pls and help me out? [16:35] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): im nto having a good game and talkign to jinx will help me [18:11] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): jinx why wonrt you help me out psl [18:19] Bright Dusty (Ezreal): iots not about winning or losing --------------------- To help understand why you're getting reported so much, here are some of the report comments: "constantly annoys everyone, provoking everyone's mistakes with endless questions, very passive agressive" "we did a mistake at the start of the game. since then, this person keeps harassing me with that mistake i did at the start. please look into this persons attitude. also the enemy team says that he wont be banned. I assure you, he deserves to be for this." "left bot-lane the whole game because draven wasnt talking and didnt put down a trinket" "picked ezreqal support after about 5 mins left bot lane and didnt come back leaving me bot to 2v1 for pretty much the rest of lanning phase" "talking a lot of shit all game" "Spam pinging cooldowns. Passive aggressive" "Incredbily negative, whining all game, spam vote surrender and harassed everyone. The game was almost 40mins long and he didn't stop for 90% of it." "talkaholic" ---------------------- What I take away from this is that you could spend less time in game obsessing over other people's mistakes and demanding that your teammates answer you, and more time putting effort into actually playing the game.
thanks for responding. i can be annoying, and get reported alot. are these the games that triggered the 2 week suspension, and does the player feedback match the games you posted? i am annoying at times. my problem is if i ask a question and dont get a response, or abused i ask them not to and i ask again. asking a player if they attack move or click for auto isnt about mistakes its just a preference, that game in question an enemy was one auto away from dying and constantly seeing my teammate auto minions constantly is triggering, i dont flame i dont abuse, but 95% plus is anooying never tried to hide im not annoying. the first particular game in question where you say you would mute me and report, was where an enemy blitz invaded and i pinged 3 times the path they would take to invade, they invade that path and the jungler and adc dont move when being attack. they both move about 2 seconds later from taking damage, if i could do it without punishment i would leave the game right there. i really dont want to play with 2 players that afk in jungle. the jungler ended up dying. however, i dont flame, i dont abuse, i communicate with them (annoyingly) to say the least and get abuse from it, however ever since that im forced to stay in the game and keep playing. i dont troll no need to be, if you were that jinx i would report you for abuse, hate speech and afk, which im pretty sure i did. dont know how much power you have to check it. if im forced to play the game, when players are afk, and abuse me, why play in silence? why not talk to them, ask them to improve in game. this is just one example and those players doing the feedback aren't as innocent as they seem. in games like these im not going to sit around and take the loss with teammates who don't communicate and clearly afk doing other suff and dying level 1. im going to do what i think will have a higher chance for me to win the game, taking cs to finish an item early, roam make pressure on the map. i dont troll,feed no need to be. also with regards to the terms and agreement that was refereed for me to read through a no reply email from riot, can you point me in the direction where being annoying in games is in there? im not going to argue im being annoying, even though the players in question seem to go heavy on the abuse. if you can pls dont cherry pick certain feedback with certain games it doesn't paint a clear picture, im more then happy for every game ive been reported to have the exact feedback on here to improve on my behavior, you seem to have picked the worst yes this is the worst i do in game for the 2 week suspension. these aren't even the most recent games to help me improve pls dont show the worst be consistent show everything or just match the games with feedback. why do i get chat restricted and then 2 week banned without playing a game to improve my behavior? also why wasn't the account banned? i thought after a 2 week ban the next step is perma ban? if you don't want to respond, thanks anyway i see where you're coming from and i get the point. you have been far better then the people i talk to from the support tickets.
: It sounds like your behaviour isn't so much severe, as it is consistent. Even if behaviour isn't all that bad, if you're being annoying and/or dickish in most or all of your games then you're still spoiling other players' experiences, and would be getting reported a lot. With enough consistency, yes, you will see a perma ban. From the ticket it sounds like those lines were cherry picked from the games log rather than the whole log, but you are paying out your team the whole time. I dunno about you, but if I had someone in my game constantly telling me that I didn't know how to play the game because I play differently or because I make a mistake, I would be rather inclined to report them for being an ass.
its not bullying or harrasing, annoying is another thing. if being 2 week banned for being annoying is the case, it opens it up to alot of other things. jungler takes second blue could be considered annoying, and so on and so on. i see certains things annoying about a particular play style i dont like. i dont abuse, or harras, i most likely mention it in game. however there needs to be consistency in what is considered annoying. also the report x player in all chat band wagon is catchy even to myself. the cait and cass players was telling everyone in all chat to report me. i dont say anything to defend myself, because i think i shouldn't have to explain in chat.
: It sounds like your behaviour isn't so much severe, as it is consistent. Even if behaviour isn't all that bad, if you're being annoying and/or dickish in most or all of your games then you're still spoiling other players' experiences, and would be getting reported a lot. With enough consistency, yes, you will see a perma ban. From the ticket it sounds like those lines were cherry picked from the games log rather than the whole log, but you are paying out your team the whole time. I dunno about you, but if I had someone in my game constantly telling me that I didn't know how to play the game because I play differently or because I make a mistake, I would be rather inclined to report them for being an ass.
yea true true, consistency seems to be the issue. however i dont say they dont know how to play the game. do you mean ive modified them from the rioter response? or they just not using the whole chat. its word for word what i got from the rioter, to help me improve they should use the whole chat. this is the grey line where one line is pushing it where i call them kid, where someone will say im being an ass and someone wont. this game in question the cait player in question said they've had to much weed and to slow to react in between the line where i was like wow because they didn't use summoners and died and they mention the weed thing and im like seems so, because of what was happening in game. [3:14] Bright Dusty (Morgana): wow [3:23] Bright Dusty (Morgana): i can tell im paying out on one player if you can call it that, but when a team member does something good, i mention hey nice work, this is more criticism. if you want argue its paying out, i can be swayed, its not good and i can improve on it. if im being consistently punished for this behavior, there is worst out there, the systems seems to let a player go, who goes full toxic in one game, while my criticism, or suggestion either way you want to put it, is being constantly punished.
: The impression you give throughout your post, which I imagine came though in your ticket as well is that you want the punishment modified to something lesser than a two week ban. If we're getting that impression here when we have infinite time to read through your post, I imagine support is getting it too.
here is the last email i sent them before the final response i posted above. I'm still a little confused. When I mentoin in game about players to use summoner abilities, or ultimate abilities that is considered overly toxic? The punishment doesn't clearly fit the game. I'm not going to act innocent, I get reported a lot, if I see a player ruining my game I dont abuse, I ask them to use sumoners, to use abilities. If you check the stats in the game you will notice how often they were left up. I don't need to be sarcastic nor do I want to. If you check the stats they used the ultimate ability about 2 to 4 times in that game. Now I know regardless of what another play does shouldn't effect how I respond, but this is clearly the point asking them to Pls use summoner abilities and skills. I'm asking people not abuse me and you put that as a reason im getting a 2 week ban, it's obvious you are grabbing at straws. I dont understand how saying ' can't Pls use summoner' contributes to my 2 week ban. I'm not being sarcastic check the stats they had major trouble using and I'm asking them to use an ability which is otherwise not being used. There is no malicious intent in what I'm doing. If I see a player who for some reason can't use basic features of the game I ask them to use. Trust me I've accepted my 2 week ban it's not about overturning it. Anyone who thinks this deserves a 2 week ban is very triggered and needs to relax. Anyway let's improve my behaviour and not just ban the account. Instead of the line of dialogue that you say is worst of the worst, what can I say other wise to players who abuse me? (And no I shouldn't have to mute someone to play this game so I don't have to mute them), players who can't use abilities? Players who can't use basic sumoners? Instead of saying glhf and ggwp what else can I say? I main support instead of being in lane where my lane partner can't use these abilities (check the stats, they have trouble using them) what do you suggest I can do in game to have a fun game, instead of being locked into a lane with a player who can't use basic gameplay mechanics. Fo the 11 lines of dialogue what can I do to improve the game in a positive way instead of using those direct lines of chat. I'm a direct kind of person, and I bring that in game and I guess players don't like to be questioned. But to ban my account, for 2 weeks seems overly toxic to me, anyway like I said let's improve the dialogue and my in game personality. Pls help me improve in game sorry, poor grammar and no paragraphs when doing 1 on 1 stuff cant be bothered. the point i was trying to make was that anything, literally anything in game could be negative, if reported. instead of doing what i do what can i do otherwise to someone who claims they've had to much weed and cant react quick enough. i could make a point about it, but cant be bothered, also about its not feedback i was giving more a suggestion in that is being confrontational, but not need to argue the point. also in the text there is apart where i say. " Trust me I've accepted my 2 week ban it's not about overturning it. Anyone who thinks this deserves a 2 week ban is very triggered and needs to relax. Anyway let's improve my behaviour and not just ban the account." im talking about future behavior, like what can i do to improve it so you guys don't just ban the account completely. im playing other games right now. anyone who is a fan of the series and have not got around to playing it, pick up Assassin Creed Syndicate. Ive played every game for the consoles and this is one of the best.
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thanks, got it sorted. anyway back on topic. you think my next punishment will be perma ban. after my first 2 week ban around jan 10th ( around this date not on the date). the next i got was a 10 game chat restriction around the 12 or 13th then another 2 week right after the chat restriction. its like im not doing enough for a perma ban but they have to act. the best advice i get from them is not be so confrontational.
: They do not have ban quotas.
yea didnt think so, just having light hearted banter. heres a final response from the rioter i was talking to, ive been telling him the whole time its not about the 2 week ban im not asking to remove it or unsuspend me. ive mentoined to them im not being sarcastic nor do i want to be, and what can i do to improve. the 11 lines of dialogue that you have shown me, that you are sure deserves a 2 week ban. what can say otherwise? line for line what can i do differently and improve on, to become better and not have this happen. this is there response. Hello Bright, Being overly sarcastic in questions can be taken as offensive. I recommend you reframe how you give feedback to not be confrontational or berate others. A suspension of this nature will not be modified or removed under any circumstances. Unless you have any other questions I'll be closing this out. Econetics Player Support Shuriman Acolyte Shurima? ive mentioned to them numerous times its not about halting or stopping the ban at any point, and for them to say they wont remove or modify my suspension is an even more slap in the face. im the one getting called overly sarcastic, and for this rioter to add that on the end is the pot calling the kettle black?
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