Gravelord (OCE)
: Hey man, So instead of purchasing the same item every game, Riot may be hinting to change it up a little ;) Try a few other things, Test some kits out, See what works well :)
> [{quoted}](name=Gravelord,realm=OCE,application-id=Ntey9fRZ,discussion-id=EcvEIlkQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-11-12T21:25:10.133+0000) > > Hey man, So instead of purchasing the same item every game, Riot may be hinting to change it up a little ;) Try a few other things, Test some kits out, See what works well :) "Instead of purchasing the same item every game" bro but that's called a "build" or as i call it in this case an "essential item" and anyway its not like i have a choice.... Did you even read the below? Nothing even comes close to been able to do what that active does.. {{item:3116}} Means you have to get too close {{summoner:2}} Means you cant use {{summoner:14}} Even both of them combined couldn't hold a flame to Twin Shadows The only thing i can think of to even maybe fill the void is {{item:3170}} + {{item:3116}} with maybe , {{item:3152}} , {{item:3089}} , {{item:3157}} , {{item:3158}} {{item:3170}} is still less ap than Twin shadows :( guess ill just have to go {{item:3135}} Na that active ability... nothing will compare to that
: Removal Of Twin Shadows, How could you Riot!!!?
Does anyone know where i can see what thoughts they have as to why they changed it?
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Bump not giving up on the ideal that the solo que ranking system needs a change
: Removal Of Twin Shadows, How could you Riot!!!?
Why Riot!!? JUST WHY!!!? You have changed my favorite item!!! in such a way that basically makes its un-viable and as such, useless to me. I main Vlad Mid and Fiddlesticks/Hybrid Shaco Jungle My first or second item would always be Twin Shadows. But with the removal of twin shadows and the merger of its active ability into the new AP Support item Frost Queen's Claim has not only ruined my build for my main champions but just destroyed the game for me as a hole List of issues i have with change 1) Reduction from 80ap to 50ap Making this item worthless as far as AP damage is concerned. 2) Removal of Movement speed. Reduces Jungle Clear time, Engages and Escape potential. 3) Adding Mana Regen. What use does a Jungle or Vlad have for Mana Regen? Jungle uses Blue and Vlad does not use mana at all? 4) Adding Gold on hit, Gold over time The only Viable role this item is now viable for is support.... what use is this on a jungle? who hits a enemy champion maybe once every 3-4 min.. every 2 min is super active or a laning Vlad who's main source of income is CS I will now go over just some reasons why Twin Shadows "WAS"a viable item for my mid Vlad, Hybrid/Ap Shaco, And Jungle Fiddlesticks 1) Vlad suffers from one massive flaw. No Hard CC. The only CC he has is the slow from his "W" Pool. But any Vlad player knows using this early or at the wrong time basically puts you on a plate and says... kill me. The same goes for Fiddles Fear, and Shaco's Q. This item aloud me to effectively CC enemies for an engagement or disengagement without using wasting my champions main escape/cc/engage. Now i'm aware that I can still get this active item ability with the new item. But with the negative changes above it makes this item un-viable 2) As Shaco split pushing or about to gank, or Fiddlesticks about to ulti, or Vlad mid about to engage. I don't know how many times I've engaged and all as i do, enemy's come out of the wood work and ruin my day. Warding can only do so much. But Champion seeking ghosts that not only slow, but give vision!!. Gave me the edge I needed to know without a doubt that I was clear to engage without having any un-welcomed guests to my fiddlesticks surprise party. Now as I've already Mention i know i can get this active on the new item, but again with the changes you've done to it. Makes it un-viable Those are the biggest uses I "HAD" for Twin Shadows. Here are briefly some more Barron and Dragon Securing Team Engages and Disengages When Team is not Warding Properly Blue & Red securing Finding and Assassinating Low Health Run Away's Please Riot.... Change it back or at least give us the option to chose between the origonal Twin Shadows and Frost Queen's Claim
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: > [{quoted}](name=Demon Incarnate,realm=OCE,application-id=Ntey9fRZ,discussion-id=z0iq3FHE,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2015-11-09T23:37:33.561+0000) > > TBH your wrong Mate I've literally played on my other account when i was on tilt and still managed not to get bronze it's quite simple if you have basic game knowledge and mechanics.
since you know so much about mechanics and you know that new accounts can have a higher mmr or elo than other people in bronze right? which effects your match making..... right? Obviously not or else why would you make that comment.
: > [{quoted}](name=Demon Incarnate,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=XtEtzlFZ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-10T00:07:50.817+0000) > > Look kid, > Your just making posts on here for the sake of making posts and your comments hold no constructive input towards the topic at hand which is a overall overhaul of the ranking system not my individual experience, which yes may be exaggerated.... so just for you to be more accurate in at least 50% of my games i will experience either intentional feeder/afks/trolls > > Secondly, Im just meant to stop playing a game i like because of leavers and trolls? If every player left due to leavers and trolls... what would be left. Only leavers and trolls. = GG LoL R.I.P > > Now... unless you actually have something relevant to the main post to add why don't you go do... what ever it is you do... somewhere else. Ok "Kid" so i was harsh. Basically what i mean by stop playing was take a brake rather that continually going on tilt due to others or your own performance. As for the main post I have no comment other than it will never be change to something like that.
Then solo que will remain to be a redundant and pointless exercise that gives you a inaccurate and also pointless rank. Solo que will continue to punish those who don't deserve it and reward a small few that with only luck manage to escape elo hell. Which reminds me, since you know so much about mechanics and you gave an example of your smurf account getting out of bronze with _such ease_. you know that new accounts can have a higher mmr or elo than other people in bronze right? which effects your match making..... right? Obviously not or else why would you make that comment.
: > [{quoted}](name=Demon Incarnate,realm=OCE,application-id=Ntey9fRZ,discussion-id=z0iq3FHE,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2015-11-09T23:37:33.561+0000) > > TBH your wrong Mate I've literally played on my other account when i was on tilt and still managed not to get bronze it's quite simple if you have basic game knowledge and mechanics.
Answer me this smart ass. Are there leavers in LoL?
: > [{quoted}](name=Demon Incarnate,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=XtEtzlFZ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-09T23:41:42.173+0000) > > You don;t seem to know basic game mechanics :P > > If you get leavers in 95% of your games..... what happens? Even if I believed that you actually got leavers in **95%** of your games (I don't because that is complete buIlshit) why the hell did you continue to play and expect not to get demoted. Genius...
Look kid, Your just making posts on here for the sake of making posts and your comments hold no constructive input towards the topic at hand which is a overall overhaul of the ranking system not my individual experience, which yes may be exaggerated.... so just for you to be more accurate in at least 50% of my games i will experience either intentional feeder/afks/trolls Secondly, Im just meant to stop playing a game i like because of leavers and trolls? If every player left due to leavers and trolls... what would be left. Only leavers and trolls. = GG LoL R.I.P Now... unless you actually have something relevant to the main post to add why don't you go do... what ever it is you do... somewhere else.
Katsprky (OCE)
: Because no one knows about baits where you only do vision tricks to get kills for your team while you. Deal no damage, take to damage, heal no damage, receive no gold. It's unfair to players that provide vision or support the marksman and have low values if they aren't a healer or Annie. "But then we could just give those champs double stats, Lulu top lane? Any support in a solo lane? That freelo right there boys. But if we don't do that, then support is the most undesired role in existence because you would lose elo for winning. I've been playing since just after beta so I'm a pretty old player. Look where I am! Diamond 5 because I keep dodging a bunch of games and somewhat recovering from a losing streak. (Like 1 - 3 games before fully recovered.) That being said just because I've been playing since forever doesn't mean I know everything about the game there are a bunch of new things that surprise me still. I don't agree the system is perfect however I don't like the idea of people getting shafted for not playing a carry role.
I agree with you. But in my system you would have a support ranking. Think of it like this.... instead of your "most played champions" you would have "best adc, best apc, best support etc etc etc. in game you should be able to select what role your playing as you pick. allowing for the new rank system to asses you performance and give you a ranking. They have made a step close to this with the individual rating at the end of the game but they need to take it a step further
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I find if funny that most people agree with what I've said (excluding my rage) which i have apologized for but this post still has negative rating.
: > [{quoted}](name=Demon Incarnate,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=XtEtzlFZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-11-09T23:02:40.488+0000) > > Sorry about the rage, when i wrote this i had just _**dropped from s1 to b5 in a day**_ or to due to leavers, add that rage to some of the smart ass comments i get ... yea. again . sorry From s1 to b5 in 1 day or two? How the actual fark did that happen...
You don;t seem to know basic game mechanics :P If you get leavers in 95% of your games..... what happens?
: TBH Bronze is legitimately hard / damn near impossible to get placed into if you have basic game knowledge and mechanics.
kJs (OCE)
: You trying to live up to your name? Just messing. I for one, have to agree why the ranked system has these flaws in them. They would have to create a new arithmetic in calculating your ranked to include all the stats that OP has mentioned and is in fact in the post-game screen with all the graphs and numbers recorded. I don't see why, besides your raging, your ideas wouldn't be beneficial to most of the issues facing ranked SoloQ.
Sorry about the rage, when i wrote this i had just dropped from s1 to b5 in a day or to due to leavers, add that rage to some of the smart ass comments i get ... yea. again . sorry
: While this would require a lot more calculations on Riots part, I agree with this. One thing I would disagree with though is the emphasis on KDA. I quite frequently see people going in to the game with the mindset "If I have the best KDA, then I'm a good player", meanwhile they have helped with no objectives, no teamfights, and only get involved when they'll get a kill. IMO objectives and assists are far more important statistics to consider.
Agreed. Thats why the damage stat's on different objectives could contribute to your personnel rank
: I do agree with this 'new' system that you've suggested. Just one thing though. Take your ranting/raging somewhere else. The boards is no place for such things as hating the OCE community or hating Riot's system. DenkiWarrior
Yea sorry about the rage, but its hard not to when you have been dealing with the frustration of this ranked system for years and nothing has changed. and then dealing with the smart ass msgs i get that have no relevance to connection to the topic and are just personal attacks
kJs (OCE)
: Teambuilder takes too long to start a match for.
Its not a team builder, its simply you picking your role when its your turn to pick Eg im first pick. I pick Jinx. I select Bot ADC. Then its locked in that that my role, and it can asses my performance correctly as a adc It also lets your team know without a doubt that ur adc, not support or mid
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People say that Elo Hell is not a place, and people in bronze deserve to be there. What I'm saying is those people are dead wrong I've said it before and ill say it again Any ranked system that punishes you for the actions of another player or any element you have NO CONTROL over is not only unfair, but makes any competitive aspect irrelevant. Its the simple fact that its says "solo que" not "team que" In solo que you should be ranked on your own individual performance and not held accountable for leavers/afks, troll and feeders and the likes. People bragging about what rank they are is a joke, the only reason your there and i'm here is luck. pure and simple. Luck that you didn't have 95% leavers in your games. Luck that every time you get a promo you didn't get a troll or leaver Yes obviously skill level is involved don't get me wrong, but you cant deny the fact that the above factors could and can contribute to someones ranking experience. As such different levels of these factors can and do occur. Some people will get more leavers in their games, some less. If the prior is possible it must also be possible that it could get so bad that it gets to the stage your lumped with the people that cause the problem due to a win loss ranking system. Even though you yourself are not a leaver or troll and have "average" skill which should at least land you a place in silver or gold. Been lumped with the people that are leavers and afk's will result in a never ending cycle of games with leavers and trolls. Resulting in a "ELO HELL" If you repute this in my opinion your not only arrogant but have no grasp of reality also making you mentally deranged
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This is an old post, but as im returning to the game and solo que is still plagued by leavers/afks and trolls this needs to get more attention again
: I deserve to be in Bronze
I think people are missing the real point of this post. Its not about me been good. Its about the fact that Elo hell does exist and LoL is still using a ranking system that doesn't work for solo que players The fact that no matter how hard I "try" to carry nothing can stop the constant Leavers/Afk's & Intentional Feeders that you get in Bronze Hell People say that Elo Hell is not a place, and people in bronze deserve to be there. What I'm saying is those people are dead wrong I've said it before and ill say it again Any ranked system that punishes you for the actions of another ally player or any element you have NO CONTROL over except enemy performance is not only unfair, but makes any competitive aspect irrelevant. Its the simple fact that its says "solo que" not "team que" In solo que you should be ranked on your own individual performance and not held accountable for leavers/afks, troll and feeders and the likes. People bragging about what rank they are is a joke, the only reason your there and i'm here is luck. pure and simple. Luck that you didn't have 95% leavers in your games. Luck that every time you get a promo you didn't get a troll or leaver _**Yes obviously skill level is involved don't get me wrong, but you cant deny the fact that the above factors could and can contribute to someones ranking experience. As such different levels of these factors can and do occur. Some people will get more leavers in their games, some less. If the prior is possible it must also be possible that it could get so bad that it gets to the stage your lumped with the people that cause the problem due to a win loss ranking system. Even though you yourself are not a leaver or troll and have "average" skill which should at least land you a place in silver or gold. Been lumped with the people that are leavers and afk's will result in a never ending cycle of games with leavers and trolls. Resulting in a "ELO HELL" **_ If you repute this in my opinion your not only arrogant but have no grasp of reality also making you mentally deranged
HeartVine (OCE)
: Because 2 games where you did average is proof you shouldn't be in bronze...
: I deserve to be in Bronze
http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/111097072/200191669/eog
Lapis (OCE)
: You placed one ward all game? Dang, bronze games are scary.
who needs wards when i have ghosts
GigaPube (OCE)
: twin shadows on vlad.......i honestly dont know what to think. the cdr is good at least but.....twin shadows..... if you've been playing since season 1 and been bronze ever since how do you explain people who've gotten to diamond/master/challenger in probably less than half the time you've spent playing? jk its all luck. oce is the worst server in the world, 40% bronze, highest percentage, theres a 1/22 tp twitch in every single game. you've had the worst luck and im sorry for you. godspeed for you and your twin shadows vlad sir one thing is though. 3 teammates, 4 wards, 38 minutes.....thats not good enough. no excuses for not getting wards in that long a time. a 19/5 vlad couldve gotten sightstone and gone around pissing on every enemy turret he wanted to and brawled anyone that tried to stop him
Bro twin shadows is probably one of my favorite items for ap mid. Puts on 70's salesmen tv voice Ready to kill mid? but afraid of enemy jungle ruining your day? Worry no more, with twin shadow you can send out heat seeking ghost that will find any chap lurking around so you can feel confident that when u want to kill you mark, ur alone to do so!!! Cant get close enough to land your pokes? Well with this item you get extra movement speed. allowing you to get in and get out quicker than ever before. But wait there is more It gives you CD And AP!!! what more can you ask for on a CD AP champ? But wait there is still more No one has placed ward and your doing dragon .... GHOST Barron .... GHOST In jungle by yourself and you get the felling.... GHOST Been chased... GHOST Want to catch up to a enemy? .... GHOST So many uses, because it not just a item. Its probably one of the most op skills in the game. Heat seeking, slowing, vision, and it gives you all the perks of the item. Out standing
: I deserve to be in Bronze
http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/110945443/200191669/eog
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: Looking for Mature Players 20Yrs+
Keep them coming gals and pals Just crated a team name "Relic" cuz were old relics :P Those are just "preferred requirements" Ill soon unfriend anyone who i find to be immature though. GCSBblitzforever. That's fine but dude, half the battle of been good is understanding how other characters work. You don't truly know your enemy till you put yourself in there shoes.... and what happens if they ban ur champ?
: Looking for Mature Players 20Yrs+
Thanks everyone who has added me. Keep them coming. we will be doing team tryouts soon
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Got into promos, First game of the day Our adc decided that he would AFK at level one on summoner platform and move ever 15 seconds. In game http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/88421693/200191669?tab=overview This is exactly why LoL's Ranked system is a pile of horse S##T
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To KJS Ummm Then maybe only comment on one of them, you the one who decided to comment on both mate? and When i Hit reply it says "Commenting Disabled" so i cant reply or quote for some reason, i thought it would be ruder of me not to comment at all. P.s i don't care if your annoyed
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to Jks It would not be team builder, match making would take into consideration people strengths and group them accordingly, this was more of a "it would be nice" idea
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To Katsprky Thats exactly why i made the second post about maltipal rank columns, That way you could be placed 1st Support. I did also highlight that "But a well placed ward can WIN a game, why not receive credit for it?" and also that in the stats there is points for Assist average per game GOLD average per game Wards Placed average per game Ward placed detecting enemy players average per game Wards Destroyed average per game you could even add, Champions killed within vision of ward avereage per game.
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to Dragoonclaws Come on mate read the full thing would ya? "Obviously things like assists and KDR will have a heavier weigh in" So something thing like damage to turrets etc would also have a bigger weigh in you have to understand that It wouldn't be based on your standard rank system. You wouldn't be bronze, or gold. you would be Gold Support or Bronze ADC You could place yourself on multipal ranked columns for example you could be ranked 1st as ADC but last as Jungle.
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to Bipolar i don't even know why i'm dignifying you with a response but as usual your little oce brain cant comprehend the bigger picture here. Lets say i do "Get good and Carry" Does that mean that the rest of my team is good? and deserve a rank up? Nope I could carry a Noob through to diamond with Duo Que, does he deserve to be there? Nope and as stated you typical single brain cell LoL player nothing will stop you losing a 3v5 the problem i have is leavers, been help responsible for leavers makes the ranking system a joke. Just like your comment. Good day sir
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Thinking upon this more.... Instead of a "one LINE" ranking system.... why not many? Best Support, Best Adc, Best Fighter, Best Mage, Best TANK, etc etc. If you can pick your role in "team builder" why not be able to SELECT a role as you pick in SoloQ Ranked Champion selection. For example .... I'm first pick, I pick Garren.... I select "Top" & "Fighter" as my role. That way i'm locked into a Ranking System but even better!!!... My team now KNOW. That i plan to go Top and that my play STYLE is "Off Tank Damage" not just "Straight Tank" or I Pick Leona, Select "Bottom" And "Support Tank" or I pick Ash, Select "Bottom" and "ADC" As far as i know there are only so many roles you can play. They are ADC Support Tank Support Mage Support Fighter Mid AP Mid AD Mid Tank Mid Fighter Jungle Ap Jungle Ad Jungle Tank Jungle Fighter Top Ap Top Ad Top Fighter Top Tank ( this might also include a Assassin class for each role (except support lol) ) And they could all fall UNDER a 5 column rank system Mid Support Adc Jungle Top This would allow for so much more out of LoL for example.... New game, Champion SELECTION... Some one says "Ranked 4th ADC" ... You check.... They are.... "Let "######" adc i just checked hes good"... People let him adc, and NOWyou have a strong adc. Also would it be so hard for match making to "try" select .. this persons best role is adc, this persons best role is Tank top, this person best role is jungle etc etc etc and then put them together? I mean of course champ selection rule would still be in effect and you might not always want to jungle but at least this way you have a fighting CHANCE at a team with strengths? instead of an entire team that wants to ADC or MID? Maybe even when you pick a champion in character selection a small Rank Stat could appear as well, for example Some one picks Eve ... a little window beside her pick or summoner NAME could display Games PLAYED as Eve Rank as Jungle or Mid Depending on where she selects Is says GAMES Played 0 <- includes normal games Rank 600,0000th And before the game starts you already know.... this bitch is a Noob jungle ,needs to babysit It also might give you a chance to be like "dude, please don't play first time eve in ranked, we want to WIN. can you please pick a champ your stronger with" He swaps to Rammus jungle 1500 games played ranked 1st on Oce. WIN!!!
: NEW RANKING SYSTEM, MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE TO LOL EVER
Thinking upon this more.... Instead of a "one line" ranking system.... why not many? Best Support, Best Adc, Best Fighter, Best Mage, Best Tank, etc etc. If you can pick your role in "team builder" why not be able to select a role as you pick in SoloQ Ranked Champion selection. For example .... I'm first pick, I pick Garren.... I select "Top" & "Fighter" as my role. That way i'm locked into a Ranking System but even better!!!... My team now know. That i plan to go Top and that my play style is "Off Tank Damage" not just "Straight Tank" or I Pick Leona, Select "Bottom" And "Support Tank" or I pick Ash, Select "Bottom" and "ADC" As far as i know there are only so many roles you can play. They are ADC Support Tank Support Mage Support Fighter Mid AP Mid AD Mid Tank Mid Fighter Jungle Ap Jungle Ad Jungle Tank Jungle Fighter Top Ap Top Ad Top Fighter Top Tank ( this might also include a Assassin class for each role (except support lol) ) And they could all fall under a 5 column rank system Mid Support Adc Jungle Top This would allow for so much more out of LoL for example.... New game, Champion Selection... Some one says "Ranked 4th ADC" ... You check.... They are.... "Let "######" adc i just checked hes good"... People let him adc, and now you have a strong adc. Also would it be so hard for match making to "try" select .. this persons best role is adc, this persons best role is Tank top, this person best role is jungle etc etc etc and then put them together? I mean of course champ selection rule would still be in effect and you might not always want to jungle but at least this way you have a fighting chance at a team with strengths? instead of an entire team that wants to ADC or MID? Maybe even when you pick a champion in character selection a small Rank Stat could appear as well, for example Some one picks Eve ... a little window beside her pick or summoner name could display Games played as Eve Rank as Jungle or Mid Depending on where she selects Is says Games Played 0 <- includes normal games Rank 600,0000th And before the game starts you already know.... this bitch is a Noob jungle ,needs to babysit It also might give you a chance to be like "dude, please don't play first time eve in ranked, we want to win. can you please pick a champ your stronger with" He swaps to Rammus jungle 1500 games played ranked 1st on Oce. WIN!!! P.s Don't tell me i cant rage, I just became B5 from S2 due to leavers, your lucky i'm not out murdering people
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Thanks to those people that have read and added me.
: Better Match Making Sugestions
Bronze should be matched with Bronze Silver with Silver I'm finding it SO hard to get out of S5, due to always having Bronzies in my team. I've done my time in bronze, why should i be placed with them?
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Thanks for you comments, All i know is Match making is horrid atm and something needs to be done.
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: individual skill wins games. Play Kat 1v5 gg wp.
have not met a kat yet that i cant shut down
Rav (OCE)
: Wow, you're pathetic. Even more pathetic when I saw your other posts below. "way to keep me bumped. LoL 2 ezy" What a cool guy.
Thanks for another bump bra
Nature (OCE)
: Toxicity
In my experience unskilled players rage when they get owned, blaming other lanes. They in turn get defensive and it spirals out of control. I think the most important way to battle in game rage is realise no one is responsible for carrying you. You are responsible for your wards and your plays. If you go balls deep and your team don't back you up, guess what. Its your fault you went ball deep. if you get ganked and you didn't have wards up, guess what. its your fault. And to be perfectly honest. If you don't like what someone is saying. Mute them. Now all you have to worry about is trolls and afks. There the real problem. Not ragers
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I am a jungle. Looking for a mature minded team. I'm a old man with no time for sillyness
: LF s5+ jungler for serious team
: and how is 2 posts spamming?
I love it out of all the Bull%%%% you people posted you couldn't answer these simple questions
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