: That's exactly what i think. Rather than 3 autos + Tristana E = Dead. The original is what and ADC should be; DPS, not burst.
> [{quoted}](name=FrostedPheonix,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=2VOPnFlV,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-11-29T22:11:55.244+0000) > > That's exactly what i think. Rather than 3 autos + Tristana E = Dead. The original is what and ADC should be; DPS, not burst. Lol like everyone in this game you mean? Everyone and everything is " Burst Damage " You have Q W E R. You Q then W then E then R and then they die. When I started to play this game back in S1.. It was about doing damage over time and waiting for R. Now it is just as I said. You Q W E R and your done. PTA is just that in a rune. So whats it matter.. Everything in this game is about one shotting people now
Rioter Comments
Zombiejax (OCE)
: first off most the bans that they do comes in waves not one at a time as you see from all the players currently upset about the bans they have been given second here is a link to riot sueing a bot company https://www.riftherald.com/2016/8/11/12438552/leaguesharp-lawsuit-lol-riot third Did it ever occur to any ofthat there could be any number of reasons not to ban one particular bot? Where there is one mouse, there are usually more. Same with scripters, bots, w/e you want to call them. Would you rather kill one mouse, or the whole mess of em? What is to say that the human behind the comp does not have 100 other bots doing the same thing at the same time? If rito went and banned them all individually, then little comes of it. If they ban the head behind the computer, only then do they actually get rid of a problem. Not trying to defend rito, but sometimes one needs to step back and look at the bigger picture/problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombiejax,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=fvEl555O,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T08:18:36.265+0000) > > > Not trying to defend rito, but sometimes one needs to step back and look at the bigger picture/problem. The issue is as simple as I have said. Play a bot game at anytime.. They take smite and heal. They will go grom. Base. Go over the river to grom. Base. Then blue buff. Base. Then over the river take blue buff. Base. See what i mean? When you level a new account the easy and fastest XP is 100% wins. That is going bots. End the game with into 15 mins and move onto the next one for fast XP. But when you are the only player with 4 bots. It does get a bit insane when they are all doing what I said before. This is a very easy way to detect bot players. ARAM are the same again. They run up the lane just before minion wave has spawn and will wait for the very last minion. Then follow it into fight. Once it dies the bot will again run back to the next wave follow the last minion as it goes in. Once they die.. { Which they will a lot } they will go and wait for the wave and follow the last one again. You cannot say " They need to check the coding input to see how they are doing it " WHEN IT IS RIGHT THERE. {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}} Edit. I bet 100% if they were botting rank. They would be ban with in seconds of the report.
Lejeus (NA)
: Here is a really crazy idea, implement a Captcha check to queue for your game. Instant, elegant, solution. Will it be implemented? Doesn't stand a chance.
> [{quoted}](name=Lejeus,realm=NA,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=fvEl555O,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-30T03:15:44.059+0000) > > Here is a really crazy idea, implement a Captcha check to queue for your game. Instant, elegant, solution. Will it be implemented? Doesn't stand a chance. I understand that. I also think this should be done. I leveled a new account for something I am working on and when you level in bots. It is really 4 bots vsing bots. I am the only player. They seem to just head into jungle now instead of lane. But in ARAM they are ranked player's that are just flat out cheating for the XP reward. So have a Captcha check is a good idea. But it would become insanely overwhelming if you only play ARAM. So I don't know if that would work to well.
HeartVine (OCE)
: That might explain what has happened here. I imagine there is definitely behaviours that are treated severely in your chat logs, so really any report from a team member would have triggered the system into action. I'm not sure if it would be possible to have the punishment reconsidered in this case, though I'd say your best bet is to have your friend (the one who reported you) confirm that it was not a serious report. Honestly, I doubt the PB staff would decide that is a valid reason to revoke the ban, but it's worth asking. With all that in mind, I'd say it's important to let your friends know that "joke reports" aren't a good thing. Reports will always be taken seriously by the system, so if there is *any* behaviour that might be questionable in the reported game that's a possibility of triggering the system, such as what has happened here. Good luck.
> [{quoted}](name=HeartVine,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=siKc2P99,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-26T03:45:59.030+0000) > > Good luck. Yeah GL on finding new mates... LOL {{sticker:galio-happy}}
HeartVine (OCE)
: There are obviously a lot of people who are of the opinion that Riot does nothing (or at least, nothing useful) when it comes to Player Behaviour issues (and other stuff as well, but talking about PB issues here). While I don't outright agree with that, I do think there is some truth to it, and that it often happens (or at least, seems as though) that the Player Behaviour team are not doing their job. One thing to consider, though, is that Riot *definitely* wont do anything about toxic behaviours if they're not aware it's happening. At least by reporting it, you're making certain Riot are aware and if something isn't done, it's all on Riot, and complaints are more than fair.
> [{quoted}](name=HeartVine,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=bIW6Rzoq,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2017-11-26T05:15:53.121+0000) > >complaints are more than fair. Really thou, When was the last time Riot even posted on the forums on the OCE. OCE to me just seems like " Give them OCE board and we wont have to deal with it, Make a few green posters. We are done there " Just look at NA.. FULL of red post's.
: Found it. "F-got" is an automatic two weeker, no matter the context. Riot developed basically a zero tol towards homophobic/racist slurs and will automatically jump to two weeks even without prior restrictions.
> [{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=kEuKEzJT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-06T17:06:16.183+0000) > > Found it. > > "F-got" is an automatic two weeker, no matter the context. Riot developed basically a zero tol towards homophobic/racist slurs and will automatically jump to two weeks even without prior restrictions. The issue here is that slang. Being Aussie.. Everyone and anyone you know is a c@nt. In fact I just got off the phone with my mate and I said to him " How ya going C " I understand you can use it in a negative light and so on. But when you just add a overall idea of standards you cannot be racist to the slang of that country. While yes %%%got is a homophobic word. Yes I agree that it is auto ban for that. Just like saying KYS. But once you start going into the slang and say " We don't stand for that in USA / Russia / Beer { Yes there is a place called Beer } doesn't mean that in Australia it means the same thing. To help people understand.. In Aus if you call a black person an [ABBO](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=abbo).. That is callified as racist. But if you call someone a [gringo](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gringo).. They will just look at you as your a flaming [Drongo](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Drongo). So being auto ban for something that is slang.. Really needs to be fix.
: I'm confused? Is this person white abusing you for not being white? Or is this person one of MANY guys who abuse Australians, white or not. (Take screenshot like you did submit a support ticket)
> [{quoted}](name=Yasei Doubutsu,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=bIW6Rzoq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-25T13:31:33.882+0000) > > I'm confused? > Is this person white abusing you for not being white? > > Or is this person one of MANY guys who abuse Australians, white or not. > > (Take screenshot like you did submit a support ticket) Same.. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: Nothing is being done. Riot doesn't care, and if you report them, that's the only time that they MIGHT get rid of them.
> [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=fvEl555O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-24T05:37:25.222+0000) > > Nothing is being done. > > Riot doesn't care, and if you report them, that's the only time that they MIGHT get rid of them. This is how it seems. More and more and more I am seeing bot after bot after bot. Like just in the game I played then in ARAM this Yi was a bot. If I was to show my GF account.. She only plays ARAM. She said " At least every 3 games I am getting bots or vsing bots ". When you think about it.. This is a really big thing Riot doesn';t seem to give a shit about.
Ocrus314 (OCE)
: Dear Rito.... Plz fkin fix this
> [{quoted}](name=Ocrus314,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=cEmcEbOI,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-23T14:01:43.883+0000) > > Brofresco has found a way to make the ultimate last permanently... ik this is an exaggeration but the fact that this exists speaks volumes about how it affects game play in matches. ADC are either popped or rendered useless against this new xin who can already be built tanky and hard to kill, even tank champions are going to have a difficult time... for the sake of balance issues even i can't do anything to peel him off as a thresh support main. My ADC is either dead or flashed then dead before i can do a thing to extend his/her life even a small increment. Yes this can be chalked up to lack of skill and i acknowledge the fact that i'm unskilled but ffs at least the old xin was situational and only very disruptive in the early game but now he's broken every stage of the game... even more so due to the leathal tempo rune.... look I know you'll balance this in future or at least provide an avenue to circumvent this but still, just wanted to bring this to your attention... thx{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Please.... Show it happening in a real game. This is just someone saying " WATCH WHAT I DID IN A BOT GAME.. OMGOSH I AM SO PRO I WENT 20/0 "
Rioter Comments
: We are only volunteers, we speak for ourselves and for players. Ideally we exist to connect Riot with the community since we can dedicate more time to answering questions than any Rioter can, but we don't speak for Riot. If we say something official, it's because it's taken from a public Riot source.
> [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=YquVEMNu,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T13:29:54.655+0000) > > We are only volunteers, we speak for ourselves and for players. Ideally we exist to connect Riot with the community since we can dedicate more time to answering questions than any Rioter can, but we don't speak for Riot. If we say something official, it's because it's taken from a public Riot source. Okay. Thanks for clearing it up.
: "Check my channel out" *subscribe link* Why don't you all fuck off?
> [{quoted}](name=shadowalien13,realm=OCE,application-id=pEj6Ee6n,discussion-id=KtXvuEOU,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T06:01:08.324+0000) > > "Check my channel out" > > *subscribe link* > > Why don't you all fuck off? Oh come on it was funny. He / she is advertising.. So I did it too. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Just because I have defended them doesn't mean I speak for them, but sure why not.
You have green name. From my understanding thou.. I really did think you were talking for Riot. We dont get many red post.. But a lot of green.
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=YquVEMNu,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T10:44:17.124+0000) > > I wasn't and won't comment on the instant escalation, I was commenting on his opinion of the appropriateness of the word. There is a significant issue with riot going straight to 14 day suspensions which is hurting the community far more than the toxicity they are taking such a hard line on.
Players like you that want to tell people to KYS and you think your allowed to do [this](https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour/2Q45fHUr-14-days-suspension-just-for-this-what-happened-to-chat-restriction) should be ban. I haven't gotten a ban.. Not one chat ban / 1 day ban or anything. This is because I think of it this way " How is it going to help if I tell them how much they suck ". Dont get me wrong every now and then I say something like " I am a boosted monkey ". Learn to not feel the need to be little some random player on the internet and you might just find... You dont need to tell someone they should have been the load that was swallowed. {{sticker:sg-kiko}}
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=000200020000000000010000,timestamp=2017-11-22T04:05:01.339+0000) > > Reposted this again for you. > I edited it.. Because of the fact you are trying to justified the idea of saying KYS.. > Do you even understand what you type? If i am perfectly honest I'm having a hard time understanding what you're typing. It is pretty badly written. And for the record, my friend, the only person here suggesting that others should kill themselves is you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Essembie,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=0002000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T04:11:40.428+0000) > > If i am perfectly honest I'm having a hard time understanding what you're typing. It is pretty badly written. > > And for the record, my friend, the only person here suggesting that others should kill themselves is you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. I will make this as simple as I can for you. > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2017-11-20T19:16:13.910+0000) > > You should be perma ban for saying KYS. > Plain and simple. > > If I have to explain why you shouldn't say KYS. Then you be ban from the internet. You SHOULD BE BAN FROM THE INTERNET. There is no case ever for you to be able to justified the idea of saying " KYS " in a game or Neck your self. Simple as that. You do not have the right nor should you ever have the right. But since you said " So you're upset about people saying kys on the internet yet you just gave me detailed instructions on how to kill myself by electrocution? " I can only guess that this [link](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a6/af/b4/a6afb4ae8428fce6484a9814e10e1739--bill-burr-stupid-people-quotes.jpg) must makes you worry. Without that label you would die. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} P.S I just took the time to read what was being said and yet again.. Your trying to say to people KYS.. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: Honor level ??
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn main,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=xaQjaRwB,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-19T03:50:36.467+0000) > > I've been stuck in honor level 2 since forever. I rarely get punishments any more - could someone look over my account to see if i've been stopped from getting honor level in general?? I always get honors... I feel the same. Never had any bans at all. I get honor most of the time. But I am still at level 2. But GF.. She is 3. Makes me sad because I play more then her. SADFACE! {{item:3073}} Edited She is now 4 while I am on 2...
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T03:45:49.036+0000) > > You should be ban from the internet. Please tell your mommy to disconnect the internet. > To wish someone to kill them self.. > > That is just lowest form of insult.. People like you hide behind a computer talk big and say " KYS NOOB " if your name address and photo of you was added into a report. I can 100% bet toxic crap like KYS would stop. > > But due to the fact you are allowed to hide you feel or even think YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY KILL YOUR SELF. > > Get the fk out loser. Better yet.. Dont ever get back on the internet you low life red neck! > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha! Nice to see you edited your post because it really made you look like a bit of a tool. Luckily i quoted the original where you encouraged me to engage in painful and lethal self harm for all to see. Truth be told It was a weird response from someone who seems to be so against the very thing you just encouraged me to engage in (suggesting that someone should kill themselves). Very weird. Are you ok? These dont seem like the contributions of a person in full control of their mental faculties. I guess my original point still stands : that aggressive little people will say any old shit on the internet because they are protected by a veil of anonymity. I'd gather its not something you'd say to my face.
> [{quoted}](name=Essembie,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=00020002000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-22T03:59:40.206+0000) > > Bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha! Nice to see you edited your post because it really made you look like a bit of a tool. > > Luckily i quoted the original where you encouraged me to engage in painful and lethal self harm for all to see. Truth be told It was a weird response from someone who seems to be so against the very thing you just encouraged me to engage in (suggesting that someone should kill themselves). Very weird. Are you ok? These dont seem like the contributions of a person in full control of their mental faculties. > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=000200020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T03:58:36.525+0000) > > https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a6/af/b4/a6afb4ae8428fce6484a9814e10e1739--bill-burr-stupid-people-quotes.jpg > > This is for you. I did not say put hand on it... Reposted this again for you. I edited it.. Because of the fact you are trying to justified the idea of saying KYS.. Do you even understand what you type?
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T03:45:49.036+0000) > > Lets break down what KYS stands for shall we? > > KYS = Kill your self. > > If I have to break it down or explain why you should NEVER SAY KYS.. Then please follow the instructions below to maximize your computer. > > Step one.. Put Computer outside with power connected to it. > Step two.. Get the hose and spray water all over it. > Step three.. Never get back on the internet. > > P.S > > Essembie please follow what I said to the letter. So you're upset about people saying kys on the internet yet you just gave me detailed instructions on how to kill myself by electrocution? You literally just suggested detailed steps for me to commit lethal self harm by electrocution. You're fucked in the head mate, both from a logical standpoint in the context of the discussion because you could not have contradicted yourself any harder than you just did, and as a human being for responding like a total %%%% to a previously calm discussion of differing viewpoints. Seriously fucked in the head.
> [{quoted}](name=Essembie,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=00020002000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-22T03:53:23.368+0000) > > So you're upset about people saying kys on the internet yet you just gave me detailed instructions on how to kill myself by electrocution? https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a6/af/b4/a6afb4ae8428fce6484a9814e10e1739--bill-burr-stupid-people-quotes.jpg This is for you. I did not say put hand on it...
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2017-11-20T19:16:13.910+0000) > > You should be perma ban for saying KYS. > Plain and simple. > > If I have to explain why you shouldn't say KYS. Then you be ban from the internet. That is a bit over the top. Repeat offenders should be permad but tiers exist for a reason. The sad reality is that behind the veil of anonymity, people will say things on the internet they wouldn't dream of saying in person. If someone said to my face what they said in lol I'd have a red hot go at knocking their teeth out. If lol has taught me anything it is that a lot of teenagers have allegedly had sex with our mothers. But I can't have a red hot go at knocking out their teeth, so I don't let it bother me. If you can't acknowledge this and have thick enough skin to not be upset by the insults of a teenager then the internet might not be for you.
> [{quoted}](name=Essembie,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2017-11-21T21:04:53.221+0000) > > That is a bit over the top. Repeat offenders should be permad but tiers exist for a reason. You should be ban from the internet. Please tell your mommy to disconnect the internet. To wish someone to kill them self.. That is just lowest form of insult.. People like you hide behind a computer talk big and say " KYS NOOB " if your name address and photo of you was added into a report. I can 100% bet toxic crap like KYS would stop. But due to the fact you are allowed to hide you feel or even think YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY KILL YOUR SELF. Get the fk out loser. Better yet.. Dont ever get back on the internet you low life red neck! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
RammenCL (OCE)
: Hey Oceania, feel free to join OCE's largest discord with over 4.5K members. We have RP giveaways and much more: https://discord.gg/dJuwC9t
Dont join his discord.. Come check my channel out I don't give things away because I am all you need. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl4IJ2FdC5dK9Hebjgn6LEw?view_as=subscriber
: Patch 7.23 notes
So 50 BE but we lose over 100 XP for first win of the day. Meaning each week at 7x50 = 350 a week in BE and it takes 3 days to level up = about 1500 BE every 3 days. 3000 every 6 days. Still not good enough Riot. I could earn more then that easy a week. FYI it was just ruff numbers.
: yes you now get suspended and banned for saying a word like f a g g o t or kys even once.
> [{quoted}](name=Lebron Games,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=2Q45fHUr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-11T00:49:58.716+0000) > > yes you now get suspended and banned for saying a word like f a g g o t or kys even once. You should be perma ban for saying KYS. Plain and simple. If I have to explain why you shouldn't say KYS. Then you be ban from the internet.
Essembie (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lz0HkvII,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2017-11-19T07:36:21.267+0000) > > This is a very easy fix that i am sure Riot can do and overall help everyone. > I see some people are toxic after a lose streak. I am not talking 1 or 3 games in a row of losing but like 5 or even 10 games in a row. > > This can make someone tilt very easy. Riot should have in place a like lose 3 games in a row they stack the game heavy in your favor to stop you losing. > Everyone goes on them from time to time. But having away out.. That would help. > > But I am just a lonely player. I see what you're trying to say (kinda like a race-assist in mario or something like that) but I dont think that is appropriate for a game like this. And at any rate, a loss streak hits your MMR which means that you generally get teamed up with lower level as your MMR decays so it sortof happens by proxy without riot having to stack the deck in your favour anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=Essembie,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lz0HkvII,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2017-11-19T07:48:04.654+0000) > > I see what you're trying to say (kinda like a race-assist in mario or something like that) but I dont think that is appropriate for a game like this. And at any rate, a loss streak hits your MMR which means that you generally get teamed up with lower level as your MMR decays so it sortof happens by proxy without riot having to stack the deck in your favour anyway. I understand what your saying there. But lets say your in Bronze 5. Like I was before I got into silver. When your in Bronze 5 your MMR is low as it can go. From what I have seen going from Bronze to silver is the toxic level drops as you climb. Dont get me wrong thou, people rage. But it is less as time goes on. In bronze 5 to Bronze 3 the toxic level is really insane.. People troll a lot of the time. In fact just like the game I am in right now.. Someone wanted Raka top. The support locked in Raka. So top stole middles pick and now middle and top are going full tilt at one another. If we look at there [history](http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=joshuy) { no I am not naming and shaming. They didnt rage or troll they got over it in game} you can see.. A few loses in a row. { This is the [account](http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=Istypuff) I am playing on right now } This puts the player in a auto defense mode. Meaning they are waiting to be yelled at for not being able to look at the mini map or something like that. Which happens a lot in B5 area. Less as you move up but a lot. So when you take into account that they are the lowest MMR.. Where do they fall to to get the heavy sided match? When someone is losing endlessly.. They be come toxic. When a player wins endlessly they become bored and leave the game. This is why Riot try's for the 50/50. But if it was 50/50 like they said. Why is this [player](http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=deportednepali) on 37% or better yet this [player](http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Imaqtpie) is on 68%. This isn't 50/50. So with that in mind.. When a player falls to say 35% win rate. Riot should have something in place to allow to them to get back to 50%. It would reduce the amount of toxic people in the game as they will be saying to them self's. I lost this but that is okay. I know I will win soon. Riot can kept it under raps so no one knows this is happening but instead of just going " BAN HAMMER FOR ANYONE I THINK IS TOXIC ". Fear of disappointment and fear of being thrown out might work on some but it won't work on all. If Riot had a fair system in place. People would respect it. But going from what you see.. There is a issue.
Tele (OCE)
: I've noticed it too, I think it could be related to the [recent change in management](https://www.riotgames.com/explore/founders-lane-swap) over at Riot but who knows. As to whether this move is good or bad remains to be seen IMO. It's good that the system is going to punish and escalate those who deserve it more quickly, but inevitably we're probably going to see some punishments that aren't very fair or just a bit harsh. I hope this turns out well though, and we see a big reduction in toxicity :D
> [{quoted}](name=Tele,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lz0HkvII,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-18T22:51:18.874+0000) > > I hope this turns out well though, and we see a big reduction in toxicity :D This is a very easy fix that i am sure Riot can do and overall help everyone. I see some people are toxic after a lose streak. I am not talking 1 or 3 games in a row of losing but like 5 or even 10 games in a row. This can make someone tilt very easy. Riot should have in place something like lose 3 games in a row they stack the game heavy in your favor to stop you losing. Everyone goes on them from time to time. But having away out.. That would help. But I am just a lonely player.
: who said that they cannot get it? the point is if you play less games you're less likely to. not sure how you can argue against that fact. all im trying to do is point out it isnt any different than before and i dont know why such emphasis is being put into it in an attempt (along with the fallacy that they will win half their games) to show that the climb is quicker now. we are comparing a player that plays 1 game per day to a player that plays 10 games per day. you personally playing a bot game is irrelevant. i mean if you're suggesting that everyone plays a bot game just to get their first win bonus, then it kinda shows how bad the new system is....
> [{quoted}](name=Lebron Games,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=WOihkV6E,comment-id=000e000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-13T06:08:34.721+0000) > > who said that they cannot get it? the point is if you play less games you're less likely to. not sure how you can argue against that fact. Simple.. DO YOUR FIRST WIN OF THE DAY.. IN BOTS! The idea once again of this BS crap " the point is if you play less games you're less likely to " If you are level 1 with no idea on how to play the game what so ever. Sure.. I can understand this idea of losing to bots. But if not.. Might want to think before you look like a bigger tool.
: Revert BE to IP
Soooooooo. WHERE is the update?? Quoted from [here ](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7bxbbb/riots_be_math_is_pretty_misleading_here_are_more/) Just posting this update on a couple threads like this because it matters to folks reading it: I wanna give an update on our plans. Right now we're working on another boards post where we'll reveal the full details of the new leveling curves and how it compares to the old system. Not just handpicked anecdotes, but charts showing the whole leveling curve for players of all types (average players, the top engagers, all that stuff). We'll talk about leveling from 1-30, and we'll show the very detailed leveling curves all the way up into the highest levels in the system. The post might take a couple of days at most to get out, because we're currently looking at some early tweaks we can make to address some of the feedback we've gotten. We'll talk about some of those in that post as well. I'll come back and update this post with a link to it once it's live. And obviously I'll keep posting here as I get the time. The reason we're here reading and engaging in all these posts is because we want to learn how players are reacting to the system. We knew stuff would be crazy (as it always is when you put a new system into the hands of millions of people) so this was always going to be the process. Y'all keep doing your thing, we'll follow up with official updates as soon as we can. Thanks for all your patience.
: Can I mute myself?
> [{quoted}](name=N00NGA JU1C3,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=7KW9fTi9,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-13T23:46:13.824+0000) > > I can't handle having noob teammates. I always flame them. I want to know how to mute myself so no one can hear all the stuff I say. Can someone help me. It is called.. STOP BEING A INTERNET BIG MAN!!! You wouldn't say it to random people on the street. DONT SAY IT IN GAME!!!!!!!!!
Azury (OCE)
: Why was I Permanently Banned for this text chat?
Azury: why do I bother Azury: jesus Azury: you build jihn wrong, you can't kite and you have no game sense Azury: watch a youtube cilp Azury: and learn the game Azury: you are pathetic You should be ban. Tip for your next account. Think to your self " Would have the ballz to say this to someone in real life. " because I will bet anything you wouldn't. Then if you wouldn't say it in real life.. DONT TYPE IT TO ANYONE!!
: Match Making Rating (MMR) isn't affected by anything except wins and losses. You win, and your hidden score goes up, lose and it goes down.
> [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KYg9EUxh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-29T10:44:18.774+0000) > > Match Making Rating (MMR) isn't affected by anything except wins and losses. > > You win, and your hidden score goes up, lose and it goes down. MMR base of wins and losing. LOL MMR is based on a lot of things.. Wards / Damage amount / Deaths / Kills / CSing and champion you play and so on. Not just win or lose. That is so failed in it's self it isn't funny. Lets say for a second you are playing very easy champion to play. Lets say Teemo. You did the most damage and died the least. But what you didn't do is buy wards / CS very well and you have less then 20% KP and also your APM was about 40. When team fights happen you were off cuddling the dragon and whispering in it's ear. All this can have effect on your MMR. Don't worry about win or lose. Just worry about how well you were CSing , Warding, Damage taken, Damage dealt and so on. MMR is based on you. Not the team.
: "assuming 50% win rate". a casual player is not going to be concerned about long time %s over hundreds/thousands of games. it's a huge fallacy to assume that they're going to win half their games per week or whatever. point is a casual player is less likely to get "first win bonus" on each day if they're playing only 1 game compared to someone playing 10 games (if we "assume it is a 50/50 chance to win/lose"). why are you putting so much emphasis on the "first win" bonus and twisting it in a way that a casual player is going to experience quicker gains than before.
> [{quoted}](name=Lebron Games,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=WOihkV6E,comment-id=000e0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-12T03:26:19.096+0000) > > "assuming 50% win rate". a casual player is not going to be concerned about long time %s over hundreds/thousands of games. it's a huge fallacy to assume that they're going to win half their games per week or whatever. > > point is a casual player is less likely to get "first win bonus" on each day if they're playing only 1 game compared to someone playing 10 games (if we "assume it is a 50/50 chance to win/lose"). why are you putting so much emphasis on the "first win" bonus and twisting it in a way that a casual player is going to experience quicker gains than before. I do my FwotD in bots. I get my win and then i play rank. Casual player can do this everyday and get it everyday. I never understood this idea of " point is a casual player is less likely to get "first win bonus" ". The idea you cannot get a first win of the day is completely flawed. {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}}
: Good idea. Too bad Riot care so little about the players they won't implement it, because the current way makes them more money.
> [{quoted}](name=Akkordian Zoeve,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=IJJhopgz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-10T08:57:40.037+0000) > > Good idea. Too bad Riot care so little about the players they won't implement it, because the current way makes them more money. How?? If you are dumb to pay cash for RP right now.. Then you are the cause of it not changing. You want something like Riot to go " CRAP WE NEED TO FIX IT " Dont give them money. Then say why you aren't going to buy RP and how they can fix for you to buy RP again. {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: They only just started them, there's no way we're getting them right now, wait till July onwards, that's when we usually get worlds skins
> [{quoted}](name=DarkShade918,realm=OCE,application-id=ATM3HYki,discussion-id=hxKkrQ43,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-13T00:00:01.662+0000) > > They only just started them, there's no way we're getting them right now, wait till July onwards, that's when we usually get worlds skins Sadface. I never really followed worlds until this year. So I didn't know how long it would take. Thank you.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Rioter Comments
: This new change makes Riot more money, and because money is more important to them than a happy playbase, they aren't going to revert it.
> [{quoted}](name=Little Witch Eve,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=AsvUP9oQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-12T00:49:09.310+0000) > > This new change makes Riot more money, and because money is more important to them than a happy playbase, they aren't going to revert it. True.. Still waiting on this update from them they said would happen.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=000a000000020000,timestamp=2017-11-10T03:46:53.823+0000) > > Get a mate from Diamond to make a smurf account. Get him to afk / dodge his placement matches so he ends up in B5. Go into normal's and have him just go ape on them. > > End game within 20 mins. > > Then join another and go again. Just dodge every 10th game or lose it. This keeps your matching low in normal's. Isn't that boosting? I'm pretty sure that's against the Terms of Service.
> [{quoted}](name=Sonatics77,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=000a0000000200000000,timestamp=2017-11-10T10:08:49.645+0000) > > Isn't that boosting? > I'm pretty sure that's against the Terms of Service. No. Boosting is when you do it in rank. It is just me and my mate I know in real life playing normal's together. But I haven't played this game in over a year so I dont know if it works anymore. I vs plats and diamonds in normal's now.. Very different when I played a year ago. The main idea we had was to hit as many normals as we can in a short space of time. ARAM doesn't give enough IP to grind it out. Normals do. But as I said it was over a year ago. If you were B5 back then you only face B5 to B1. Now days.. I vs anything from plat to diamond to B5.
: except their quick maffs and posts are incorrect and misleading. ill leave a few links for you. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7bvtvq/you_actually_gain_14_less_xpbe_than_what_riot/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7bqrou/explanations_on_why_the_be_system_is_a_major/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7budg2/the_math_behind_the_new_blue_essence_changes_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7bxbbb/riots_be_math_is_pretty_misleading_here_are_more/ as a retort to your "stop arguing with facts use your brain" comment, imma go ahead and say "use your brain and stop assuming everything an employee of a chinese corporation (whose only interest is how they can increase their profits) says behind a computer screen is automatically fact and never PR"
Why feed the troll?
: > [{quoted}](name=Hacks4Dayz,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-11-09T04:39:13.607+0000) > > All I see from that link. Is people on NA are saying the same thing. GET RID OF THIS BULL CRAP BE ON LEVELING CRAP! > I said it before i will say it again right now. > > I COULD UNLOCK A 6300 CAMPION USING IP DAILY!! Meaning if I wanted a champion for 6300. I would start playing by 12 hours later. IT WOULD BE MINE! > NOW Using this BE level up crap. I GOT 1K BE AFTER 2 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!! > Real world facts not made up " If billy smokes this weed.. How many hits does billy need to become the universe " Real world. > Meaning this isn't about some " Idea " of it working. This is real world facts stating AFTER 12 HOURS I GOT 1K BE.. Not 6300. HOLY. U got 6300 IP in 1 day?! Please tell me your secret{{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Get a mate from Diamond to make a smurf account. Get him to afk / dodge his placement matches so he ends up in B5. Go into normal's and have him just go ape on them. End game within 20 mins. Then join another and go again. Just dodge every 10th game or lose it. This keeps your matching low in normal's.
Gehirn (OCE)
: On average, you will be receiving the same or most likely more BE than you would have IP previously. Especially when you hit your 10 level caps where the rewards are more than usual. All the example math is [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Jh3Mtzu6-board-post-title-blue-essence-earn-rates-learning-the-numbers-with-carl-and-henrietta). Regarding your feedback on champ shards feeling random, that's fair, they are. And that sort of system isn't everyone's ideal experience. We're collating all community feedback off the back of this launch. It should be some comfort to know that on average you're earning more BE than you would have IP previously, and shards can be activated for 40% less than the regular IP/BE store price. So shards off levels is more of a bonus when you get a shard you need, rather than the standard experience as you can just use your BE gains from disenchanting to buy champs in the store at a faster rate than previously anyway.
Okay lets really break this down. 1. Why would they add this new system to the game? What would be the point of it. This is easy to answer without going into the " RIOT WANTS MONEY FRAG EVERYONE!! " What they have done from a business point of view not consumers. Is to offer a product that wasn't needed nor wanted by the consumer. That is XP boost and IP boost. Only time I have ever gotten either was when I got banned and leveling a new account. I would buy a 3 day XP boost and a 7 day IP boost. This would allow me to level a new account and have more then enough IP to get everything I need to enter rank and start all over again from where I left off. But in saying this after I achieved being able to join rank and so on I never looked at a IP boost or XP boost again. I would just grind ARAM if I needed some fast IP to get a champion I wanted or join a few normal's with a mate and end games with 15 mins or so and go again. There was no need for any boost in anyway. Now with the new system we have.. XP boost is more of must have thing. Sure you can grind out the levels going by Riot [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Jh3Mtzu6-board-post-title-blue-essence-earn-rates-learning-the-numbers-with-carl-and-henrietta) but that is going the long way about it. Where before hand. If you were 30 and only paid for skins.. What would be the point of XP boost or IP boost right? You are 30 and it is capped at 30 so really buying a XP boost would be a waste of money. IP Boost at 30 would be helpful some what but really not worth the money if you only play rank and not willing to grind normal's endlessly. So removing the level cap and offering a reward and saying " Every 10 levels you get some epic stuff " this makes you more willing or even wanting of that XP boost to get to level 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 and so on. Just to see what epic stuff you get. This creates another issue in it's self. No one I know has made it to 40 yet. I haven't seen any post about what you get at 40 or even 50. Then the other issue is when you hit 100.. Is that classified as really epic achievement? Do you get EPIC EPIC EPIC LOOTS!. Since so many of them are remaining unanswered it creates a lot of unknown. Like before when I said I got 200 BE from 30 to 31. It was due to the champion I saw at the time of my uncertainty about the new loot system that a champion disenchant into 200 BE. Which I will say was very unnerving to me and I felt as thou I was ripped off for the work I did. But this in it's self is becoming the most talked about issue on the forums. Even if I do the math and Riot does the math. The unseen out come of the new system and people seeing they got a capsule and they got 3 champions and then it disenchants for 810 BE { Which I just happen to me btw } people don't feel like they are being rewarded. Even if you say " The maximum daily limit on IP was 900 " people see.. I could have gotten 900. Not 810 and then on top of that I have a chance to get 700.. I am worst off by 200 IP a day. This isn't really the best thing for this system right off the bat. You should have made it more rewarding at the start to allow people to get on board with it and said something like " Since it is a new system we have made it so you get better then normal loots. This is only for a limited time or until you get to level 35 after that the loot system will be based around this " That would help and allow people to understand the unseen part of it easier. Lets face it. Riot loves chance. Every game you play is a game chance.. If you win or lose it is all chance. When I level a new account and buy some RP. The first thing I do is buy boxes. Normally 11 boxes sometimes I buy more. But I like to chance it on boxes because I am not worried about what I unlock as long as I feel I got my money's worth. If I unlock boxes and all they have is skins and I cannot use any. I do not feel as thou I was ripped. I feel as thou it was a crappy box. Come next week if I have enough cash left over after paying all the bills I will get another set of boxes. BUT Capsules have a random aspect in which I did not choose. In fact it has been pushed upon me and taken away the ability to unlock champions until a set amount of time has past. Sure you can speed this timer up by buying these gems. Sorry I was thinking of a mobile game just then... Hang on? No I am not. If I buy a XP boost.. I can speed up this timer between capsules and get bonus loot because I got 40 faster and so on. So from a customer point of view this is what is going on. League has become a mobile game. Only difference is the fact I can play endless games and I don't have to wait out a timer before I get another life or so on to play the game again. But I have a wait timer on when I can or cannot buy a champion unless I pay for the timer to be skipped. 2. Offering BE at the end of every game. This can be good and bad. The first issue is how much BE is fair? Then the level up system would have to be removed or you get more BE then you should for input vs reward. But if they only gave 25 BE every game you played for a win and 5 BE for loss we are back at the start again fighting over the new system and fairness. I would like to see BE after every game. But I also like the leveling reward system. But once again it is the randomness of the capsules I do not like at all. The fact that capsules is the only way for me to get BE makes me worry more about BE then I ever worried about IP. This makes me worry about the value I get from the capsules. Sure I can buy the XP boost which Riot is hoping I will buy. Which { lets face it here} is a good business decisions but I just don't want to have to go that route to be able to achieve what I would achieve in the old system by seeing the growth of IP. But because I haven't gotten to 40 yet and because I haven't seen anyone showing what they have gotten at 40 I cannot really say what is needed or what isn't needed. But I can say.. The randomness of the capsules are unwanted and something like a free champion pick needs to be added. You could add in the mystery champion shard for players that do like the random chance of this and that.. But something needs to be added to reduce the amount of unseen and chance's of the capsules. But I am just a random player in league with my own idea on what should happen. What I think should or shouldn't happen doesn't always work out as a great business decisions.{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: For those concerned about the rate of earning BE, I'd recommend reading this post from Mortdog over on NA. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Jh3Mtzu6-board-post-title-blue-essence-earn-rates-learning-the-numbers-with-carl-and-henrietta
All I see from that link. Is people on NA are saying the same thing. GET RID OF THIS BULL CRAP BE ON LEVELING CRAP! I said it before i will say it again right now. I COULD UNLOCK A 6300 CAMPION USING IP DAILY!! Meaning if I wanted a champion for 6300. I would start playing by 12 hours later. IT WOULD BE MINE! NOW Using this BE level up crap. I GOT 1K BE AFTER 2 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!! Real world facts not made up " If billy smokes this weed.. How many hits does billy need to become the universe " Real world. Meaning this isn't about some " Idea " of it working. This is real world facts stating AFTER 12 HOURS I GOT 1K BE.. Not 6300.
Queen Of (OCE)
: Yeah, I agree with this. I don't mind the leveling system, and everything, but if that's the only way to get BE, then it's just too much work, and I think getting BE every game will make everyone happier :D
> [{quoted}](name=Queen Of,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=0002000200010000,timestamp=2017-11-09T01:39:49.645+0000) > > Yeah, I agree with this. I don't mind the leveling system, and everything, but if that's the only way to get BE, then it's just too much work, and I think getting BE every game will make everyone happier :D Yeah. 100 BE pre win and 50 BE pre loss would make everyone happy. But just like Dynamic que Riot wont listen to anyone for about 3 months and once people start to leave and say " I am leaving due to BE being completely fragged " that is when they will care. Riot just seems to be doing what Blizzard has done to WoW. To far up your self to listen to what is being said and now WoW is dying hard due to it. So will league. I have only just started to play this game after a year or so away because I was really bore and had nothing to do. I installed this game. I can take it or leave it. Either BE gets fixed... Or people will leave and not come back this time.
GraKham (OCE)
: Zoe the Aspect of Twilight Passive More Sparkles! After casting a spell
WTF is with the box... You cannot record in 1080? So so so fail.
: Oh agreed, your gonna have to pay for champs from now on. But don't worry Riot promised we'd get the same amount of BE from these {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
I just leveled. Including yesterday and today. I have made 1k BE... 1k FOR 2 DAYS OF NONSTOP GAME PLAY! What drugs is Riot on. Because I want some. Really I do.. To think to your self.. Lets take away the idea of " Pay to customize and make it PAY FOR EVERYTHING that is going to work out well. "
Fitzky (OCE)
: JUST GIVE US BE AFTER EVERY GAME
> [{quoted}](name=Fitzky,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2017-11-08T05:00:11.193+0000) > > JUST GIVE US BE AFTER EVERY GAME Agreed. This is all that is needed in change. I dont mind the new system.. But getting jack all when you level is a joke. I am about to hit 32.. I will get 200 BE for it. 200 BE every level. Takes a day or so to level. That means after 1 week at a level a day I have 1400 BE. Good job Riot.. Dynamic que again anyone. {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Shuxie (OCE)
: If you got into silver 4 then you would have been silver 5 before the patch so you'll still get the border
No fresh level account no rank history ever. Until now. Didnt do rank until Wednesday. That was when I got RP for boxes and started placements. Never done rank before that on this account. Before that I was B5. Glad I got banned on that account now.
: If you got into it before the new patch, then you made it, turns out that they decided to release Pre season a day early (people who defend this never read the post itself, it said MIDNIGHT of november 7, which was a lie) I believe it'd be around 4am November 7 that the Pre season started, so anything past that is not counted.
{{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} Crap. 1 day late.. I am sad now. TY
Rioter Comments
: Yeah too much randomness occurs, we are basically joining the shitty loot box systems.
> [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=KsZvsY4T,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-08T02:27:31.099+0000) > > Yeah too much randomness occurs, we are basically joining the shitty loot box systems. Yeah. I use to be able to unlock 6300 champions daily. Now.. I get a capsule when I level. But no idea on how I get BE.. Day of playing = nothing for me anymore. New account. Lots to unlock and no BE to unlock or even buy things with. When you get a capsule.. YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THE CHAMPIONS IN IT ANYWAY!! So no real point to it. I dont play Heroes of the storm because they want real money over in game currency and make it completely dumb af to grind to unlock new champions.

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