: The fact that every racist players can get perma banned. And there shall be no chance for them to appeal is enough to end the conversation here. I'm fighting so every player can defend themselve. What are you fighting for?
Ninox (OCE)
: Eventually yes. It comes down to the confidence in the detection. Someone might have gone 0/15, but they could have just been new/bad/incredibly tilted, they don't have to be intent feeding. Doesn't mean they don't get banned, just means it's not as quickly as everyone would like. Certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't be banning for chat in the meant time.
Great news. Thank you If you can keep up the goodwork punishing players who ruin the game for everyone else. Then I would gladly to support you.
Ninox (OCE)
: How is any of this an excuse to be racist? Racism has no purpose beyond hatred.
The fact that every racist players can get perma banned. And there shall be no chance for them to appeal is enough to end the conversation here. I'm fighting so every player can defend themselve. What are you fighting for?
Ninox (OCE)
: How is any of this an excuse to be racist? Racism has no purpose beyond hatred.
You look at a complex issue with a simple perspective. There is nothing to discuss further
Ninox (OCE)
: How would it be fair to allow racist chat, simply because we can't ban for intentionally feeding as quickly? If we can't do both, you're saying we should do neither?
So every inted players gonna get banned eventually? If so then I shall discuss this no more; and will support your point from now on.
Jayhawk (OCE)
: The problem with this line of thinking is that the behaviour of other players should be considered in cases like this pertaining to things players type in chat to each other. Seras spoke about the system struggling with intentional feeding when it comes to people attempting to circumvent the obvious cases of running it down mid and buying 6 tears as he stated in the comment below. However, even if you're so incensed by someone doing something in-game that you feel they deserve a ban, that doesn't then give you the opportunity to go absolutely ballistic on them and start using hate speech, threatening them or encouraging harm on them. Based on what Mirkinen said at the top of this thread, I'd argue that this guy probably said some things that you shouldn't ever be saying to another person. The punishment system in this game is fairly simple in my opinion and it surprises me that people think it's so stringent when it could be much tougher. I'm a super competitive person who can be easily frustrated by poor play and sometimes I'll question my team's decision making openly in our team chat when I'm tilted by how the game is going or what is happening. However, it's fairly easy to draw a line between making a comment directly related to an in-game play or sequence of events in-game and the inappropriate decision of calling your teammate racist or homophobic slurs or threatening them and wishing harm on them and the people around them which is what leads to almost every ban you read about on these boards.
But that's not the case isn't it. How often is there a ban for discrimination chats? And how often is there a ban for intentional feeding, un-supportive behaviour? Wasn't there a troll who int every game, and he had been doing it for weeks without a ban? And there is tons of post about people being racist getting instant ban? Put it simple: The system does not encourage players to be racist. But, the system is unable to effectively ban people who ruin the game for everyone else, which I shall remind you piss people off. It's very honourable that you could remain calm when these people for doing so. But not everyone can handle it. And, of course, on a large scale this is definitely a problem that drive toxicity isn't it? How fair is it, that people who being discriminate being instant banned? While, trolls are allowed to play for weeks
ThatsBS (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi im Durian,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=8kbEj90p,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-02-08T05:58:51.452+0000) > > But if I can only show you that i stabbed someone. You shall only see me as a murderer > > But if you know i was bullied. You shall judge the whole story differently. > > The point here, is what you are allowed to see; on the context of what truly happened. > > Simple term: fake news. Its still irrelivant, they know there usually is mitigating factors, but it doesnt excuse the primary crime.... End of the day murder is murder.... Thats the point I believe they are trying to get accross... You can't have an excuse for saying stupid stuff over chat...
It's irrelevant? What.. That kind of thinking creep the fuck out of me. I can't explain any further if you don't understand the basic of any conflict. And you can't just appoint someone is a murderer, just because they kill someone. There is different punishment for each scenario. A man could kill someone by accident. A man could kill someone, which the motive was driven by emotion. A man could kill someone so he can defend himself. There is a thing called 'man slaughter' if you haven't learned that yet.
ThatsBS (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi im Durian,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=8kbEj90p,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-06T12:00:10.658+0000) > > What makes you think i support racism? > > My purpose is: to attack the current system for its flaws. > You said it yourself, the people who started should be punished. > We should not judge, on just 'he the kid who stabbed someone'. > We should judge, as the 4 bullies bullied him then he stabbed. Wow i disagree on that comment. It doesnt matter what has happened to you. You cannot justify eye for an eye... i.e. he bullied me so I stabbed him.... Why should riot punish the bully or bullies? What is more serious... punishment jas to fir the crime... dont get me wrong, the bullies need punishment as well, but not to the same extent... IMO.
But if I can only show you that i stabbed someone. You shall only see me as a murderer But if you know i was bullied. You shall judge the whole story differently. The point here, is what you are allowed to see; on the context of what truly happened. Simple term: fake news.
: The system doesn't care if there is multiple reports. It only takes into account right or false report. If a player was toxic, they will get banned. Even if there is only 1 report. If there is 9 reports and they are all false reports; then it's deemed to be invalid.
But I do agree. You should not be banned.
: League of Fairies
The system doesn't care if there is multiple reports. It only takes into account right or false report. If a player was toxic, they will get banned. Even if there is only 1 report. If there is 9 reports and they are all false reports; then it's deemed to be invalid.
Ninox (OCE)
: >only one-side was punish for it. Why do you think this? If both players are reported, both players' behaviour will be judged. >you've admitted many times that the system is not perfect That's always going to be true, but what you're referring to, was with regard to in game offences, which aren't punished quick enough because the system is tuned low *to avoid false punishments*. Very *very* rarely is there a false punishment, *especially* for in game offences.
Ninox (OCE)
: The idea is to encourage reform. You reform by examining *your* behaviour and recognising what *you* did that wasn't ok.
It does not encourage players to reform when: - Both side were toxic, and only one-side was punish for it. - When the root of the conflict due to in-game elements. For example: refuse to group, spamming pings, players intentionally trying to ruin the game for everyone else - Inefficient of the system leads to players losing faith in the game and the developer The assumption that every ban is there to help players improve their behaviour, can only be true, when every ban is correct, and every punishment is fair. Seras, you've admitted many times that the system is not perfect. Therefore, wrongfully ban can happen. So how do you know that every ban is rightfully executed?
: Let me know if you want me to post your in-game chat. I've read it and wish I didn't...
So you guys do have access to the whole chat log. May I ask why aren't normal players getting access to the entire game chat log? It's really hard to defend yourself, when you have nothing.
QAPLA (OCE)
: I just avoid using certain words when playing LoL, it isn't that hard. I can rage in a saltmine from time to time, but it never gets me punishment, because I know what is acceptable. If people expand their vocabulary, maybe they won't get so many bans. [edit] for example, if someone says something dumb, I'll reply with "what a maroon" instead of 'moron'. This is an oldskool Buggs Bunny reference, and isn't something that you're ever going to get punished for. The meaning is the same.
Another confirmation that the system is easy to abuse Upvote
00shots00 (OCE)
: words ive found personally that you can not say %%%g0t %%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%% gay lord h0m0 kys kill your self and a sentence I got pulled up for "no one cares about your feelings or what you're going through, no one cares if your mum and dad don't like you just go sit in a dark corner and fade away". I mean there is a lot of one word bans for this game but some of them are weird. words I say a lot that ive never been pulled up for- 1) c*nt 2) pussy 3) stupid fuk 4) retarded C8nt or fuk 5) dumbest player I have ever played with in my entire life 6) motherless fuk 7)parentless fuk 8) spastic 9)spastic fuk 10) hardstuck bronze/silver/gold trash cu*t of a player I mean the word "cu*t"itself is not a word that should be said, and what riot needs to realise is that this is the OCE server. its full of aussies kiwi's and so on. we are brought up to have this dark no boundary sense of humour and language. white people are round eye'd bacon and egg eater bigs and kiwi's are sheep fuckers and so on. like I'm not saying its true but its what we've been saying in school and high school and our mates are all different cultures and we can all joke about it. why people actually take offence to this ill never know. like are we not the tuff skinned region or are we hipsters trying to not gender assume and shit.
Thank you. That confirmed that there is only a number of phrase the system can punish players for.
QAPLA (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi im Durian,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=hAKrxaFe,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-02-06T04:56:05.243+0000) > > Because they make it free, it means your IP has less uses. The blue essence shop offers some little actual benefit. You can buy champions: which is very expensive, if you consider the supply of blue essence. For example: a new account that play from lv1-30 would earn around 20k blue essence. Therefore, to own more than 15 champs (rank requirement), you would either have to spend real money, or get lucky with some crates. But the crates are based on chances; so a normal player that wants no part in spending real value for champions would have to grind LV. Imagine how efficient that is. With the old system you can access IP boost farming, and daily wins. You can argue that the new XP grind works the same in this instance, however, it would be way less efficient. Moving on, buying chromas does not add value to your account, especially when it's accessible by everyone. For instance: If Bliztcrank Chromas would to be opened, everyone would buy it, making it a common item. And the promise of rare skin, ward skins, icons is very occasional, you will never know when it will occur. Might be next year, what state would the game be in then? Remember the gaming industry is very competitive. Last point, the old runes system offer much more variety. Players can have a mix of their own unique combination set of runes, which make its special to each players. As a consequences, each player value their own preferences. History has shown: season 3: favourite runes for adc attack speeds with 2% life steal; or full attack damage, Midlane prefers: full ap, or ap with movement speeds, some Zed players: take 5% attack speed, Dopa Toyz TwistateFate with 4.5% movement speed. That's just to show how unique each player play style is different from another. And this is all coming from runes and IP. The more IP you have, the more runes you will have access to. With the removal of IP comes to centralisation in gameplay The 'Enter' key is located below '\' and above 'right Shift'. There is another on the lower right corner of the numpad. Use this key, and I may read your posts.
Or maybe you shouldn't It doesn't really matter
Ninox (OCE)
: There *is no* other party in this case by the OPs own words. The other party was only a hypothetical. I don't care if he is actually racist, or is just using racist chat to incite negativity (and frankly I would argue that is worse). **He was racist in chat**. Why do you think that should be allowed?
There was no other party. It's confirmed, he was talking to himself. He is racist to himself, is that ban-able?
Ninox (OCE)
: Whether or not he is racist in person, he was racist in chat, and was punished for it. You say you don't think racism is ok, but you seem to think it's fine here? Why should he be allowed to be racist in chat just because he maybe isn't actually racist and is just using it to be an asshole?
You're calling him racist again. You admitted the other party should also be punished. But I don't think you really care.
Ninox (OCE)
: You keep saying you don't believe the OP should not have been punished for his racist chat, why else would you believe that if not that racism is ok in some form? The current system has flaws yes, but punishing racist chat isn't one of them. Why should we as a community allow that? Yes, all parties guilty of toxicity should be punished accordingly. Defending yourself from someone is not the same as abusing them back. As soon as you abuse back you have sunk to their level. You have become just as bad as them, and a part of the very thing you are supposedly trying to stop.
I take responsibility for my actions. If i make a mistake, i admit it. However, I shall not judge someone just because of a small fractions of chats. I don't see how you are not getting this? You just think because someone say %%%%%%%%%%% to another they are automatically racist. You getting 10% or even less, of what happening in that entire game here. And you use that >10% to judge him. What have my example not explain to you? If you only see the kid who stabbed his friends, you shall only see him as a cold blooded murder, that should be put away for the rest of his life. However, if you have the information that the one he stabbed was a bully that had been constantly bully him for 4 years. Now you understand his motive. You understand that he is not a murderer. He could go back to his family one day. My point is very simple: You can not judge someone just because he, or she was acting racist. How many people got wrongfully banned, just because Riot system nit pick the phrase "ching-chong"? And if they only have a small fractions of their wrong doing-the chat- to justify themselve; how can they? From the start, the sweet innocent boy who had been bullied for 4 years, has had no chance to defend himself.
Ninox (OCE)
: I never said the people that started it shouldn't be punished. The bullies should be punished in that scenario, but so should the kid that *stabbed someone*. They all have to be held responsible for their actions. I don't understand why you think racism shouldn't be punished. Why should we allow people to judge others based on how they are born, rather than how they act? Sure I guess racist chat doesn't necessarily mean the person behind it is racist, but it's *still racist chat* and should be punished for what it is.
What makes you think i support racism? My purpose is: to attack the current system for its flaws. You said it yourself, the people who started should be punished. We should not judge, on just 'he the kid who stabbed someone'. We should judge, as the 4 bullies bullied him then he stabbed.
Ninox (OCE)
: As far as chat goes, there isn't much worse than hate speech. Really it's suicide encouragement and threats, that's about it. If I'm a nice person until the point someone annoys me and I stab them, does that make it ok because "I was a nice person until they annoyed me"? He was racist in game, he was punished appropriately for it. Aside from the fact it sounds very much like the OP started it, why does it matter? How does someone else being annoying justify hate speech? How does someone else's action justify attacking them for the language they speak or the race that they are??? I'm really unsure of what you want from this discussion? It sounds like you're trying to say racism is ok, but that contradicts things you've said in the past. In his position I would know damn well why I was banned and I'd make a choice, continue to be racist and get permanently banned, or just not and don't get banned.
So if 4 different big kids bully on 1 small kid, and they small kids fight back. And the small kid got hold of a knife and stab the other one. He is evil. There is no justice for him. It does not matter whether the other 4 bullied him for 4 years. Because the small kid fight back, and he did the unthinkable, he is all to blame? So if 4 players bully on 1 player. That's fine too? The bullied player call others %%%%%%%%%%%, and he gets banned. But it does not stop there. He is racist. He insult an entire race. He is so bad. He is the worst person that should be perma ban. Yea i get it. How many players have Riot put a tag on as racist?
Ninox (OCE)
: ?? He was blatantly racist and was punished for it, what more do you want?
Is racist the most evil crime? You know what this post show me and you? That he was racist. He might be not. He might not be very racist until something, or someone say something. He might actually be a nice guy. But it does not matter. You know why? Cause the chat log only show a portion of what happened. It only shows, how racist he was. It nit pick the most evil parts of him, then show it to the world. Put yourself in his position. How are you going to judge the whole community? When are only allowed to see the most evil part of it?
Over Haul (OCE)
: I got banned for abusive/racist language when I my self am of multicultural heritage
This post demonstrates that you can't judge somebody using only their chat log
Ninox (OCE)
: You're judged on your behaviour, and yours alone. It doesn't matter who started it, if you abuse back you become just as bad as them, and there are still 3 other players in your game that now have to sit through or mute (at which point the damage is done) two people being toxic. So yes, I'm asking you to post *your* chat log, because it's *your* log that you have been judged on and punished for. The other players' chat is irrelevant, Why should the amount of money you have to spend on this game affect how your behaviour is viewed? Are you saying it's ok to be racist in all your games as long as you've spent over $1000 dollars on the game??? Other people's behaviour does not justify abuse of your own.
Your first point is clearly false. It does matter who started it. I shall make this clear. Anyone can be toxic, and anyone can be up set. You can't have negative behaviour from only one side. You can't understand a conflict if you look from one side. Second point is extremely irresponsible. You look at one side of the story, and judge. The moment, anyone posted their chat log (ONLY THEIR), they shall immediately be deemed guilty without any appeal, or what other said to them. And I have never said it's ok to be racist just because someone spent thousand dollars. I agreed with you on that point. However, this is crucial. A player who has been with the game for a long long time. And had spent thousands of dollars on the game. Should have a cases where he can justify himself. The amount of money he spent, illustrates the passion he has for your game.Therefore, his records, his profile should be WORTH IT for Riot to take a look in to his case, manually. I shall ask this again, how many cases are being manually reviewed?
Ingénue (OCE)
: You only see what people choose to show you. Most players don't come to the boards or reddit to discuss their bans. There is also the factor that you need to be reported to actually trigger a chat review, and for the most part there are plenty of players don't usually report for "lesser" flame like calling someone trash.
Her point was going back through the boards. That's what Im doing I shall say this again, i see more people getting banned for saying Ching-Chong Unless Riot disclose their data, there is no certain that it will be otherwise
Ninox (OCE)
: If you go back through boards you can see plenty of people who were punished for non racist chat. Racist chat just nets you an instant 14 day ban as opposed to chat restrictions beforehand.
Ninox (OCE)
: You have mentioned that you were banned, but the best way to get community feedback is to post your reform card (the popup in client that tells you what you were banned for). We can't give you any insight onto why you were banned and why support is denying you if we don't know the reason for it and the same goes for you friend. We don't know why he was banned so we can't give you anything beyond vague information that may or not apply to his circumstances. How much money you have spent has absolutely no bearing on behavioural bans. When it comes to behaviour everyone is treated the same, whether they've spent $5000 or $0.
The reform card only shows what the system pick up. So if i say 'bad word about another race', that's included. But it will never show what my teammates said to me? Fair enough? What's more, no one have access to that chat log, which make it even harder to build a strong case. And now you are telling me, to post what I was banned for, without posting the whole chat log. Yea nice try. The system shows only one side of the story. What the system had pick up is my losing side. And if so, when an account get banned they lose. There is no review. End. And you are wrong about the amount of money a player spend. They should be treat the same when its come to behaviour. However, their investment into their accounts shows the support they giving Riot as a investors, users of Riot service. That should have a saying. What you just said right there about "whether they've spent $5000 or $0", just come to show how Riot as a company do not care about its users. I can spam few dozens accounts and ruins everyone's day in ranks. If my teammates piss an got wrongfully banned, I win. It doesn't matter if they've spent few thousand on this game. They were behaving negatively. They were being racist. They can't post the log chat up here, cause the system have no records of how i refused to group, and always get caught.
3KWhisper (OCE)
: As far as I know there is no action taken
So any player can just refuse to group, and they can do it as long as they want. Yea seems like a pretty good game
Over Haul (OCE)
: Just so you know the word that was censored was "Ching-chong".
I have this theory, that riot system will pick up racial words and just ban you immediately. But they will ignore most of the common curses. Have anyone tested this yet?
Joiksu (OCE)
: Yeah the state of the community is in a pretty bad state. I've already quit playing the game seriously and just go into cybercafes for the odd mess about game. But yeah I'll never buy RP again. I've never been banned, but the quality of games is at its all time low. I don't want to waste 25-45 minutes of my time in a "serious" ranked game just to cop abuse from idiots who make mistakes, trolls who just try to rile up others, and boosters that comment in different languages. There's other things to do with my time, like doing something **serious**. Not this childish game.
Ingénue (OCE)
: So the behavioral side is a little more difficult for the system to pick up, especially because people can do things that make it look like they are trying when they really aren't. While Riot definitely has a long way to go to improving these systems, players like that do actually end up with punishments (even if it does take a while). We see this through cases like that smite nunu support a while back, and the proxy singed support. People like this get reported A LOT and in most of their games, and even though the system can't find anything wrong, obviously they are rubbing people the wrong way and something needs to be done. Often it ends with a manual review, and punishments are administered. It even sometimes happens in chat cases where nothing obviously jerk-like is being said, but the person still is wracking up reports ([HERE](https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-strategy/7AvNjzRj-2-week-ban?) is probably the most infamous case of this on the boards). When reporting a player for their behaviours, leaving a lil comment in the box provided is very helpful in these cases, and is something I would encourage doing for every report you lodge. If people continue diligently using the correct methods of player reporting (through the end game screen and perhaps a support ticket for behavioral stuff _in addition to_ the end game screen report), we can only hope that the systems continue to improve and that Riot finds a way to better monitor and pick up on negative in game behaviors.
How many case are being manually reviewed? What are the percentages on the overall scale? Do you think this is a possible downside of Riot system? Does Riot seek external professional on their judgement? How can a normal player have impact on Riot decision? I shall share some insight. My friend, who is a League of Legends veteran. He has been playing League since season 2. He had spent over $4000 on this game. Most of his asset comes from his skins collection, with over 600 skins. He also possess all summoner icons from season 2 (except ranks). Everytime Riot release a new skins, he buys it, and he has been consistently doing so for the past 4 years. In a sense, he is a large stakeholders. However, recently, he had been banned for negative behaviour. He has been trying to get the case manually reviewed, but the result is copy and paste respond. He described the experience as "like i was talking to a robot". Since then, he has stopped spending money on League, and he noticed that Riot can take away anytime they want, and he could never have a saying in the matter. My question is: How is Riot treating its players? How can a player review their cases? Especially long-time player? How effective is the system, if it's making players leaving the game?
00shots00 (OCE)
: to them its just a quick money making business and they don't give a dam about the players.
We could spread the words? If we stop spending RP. Tell your friends what state league is in. They'll stop playing, find another game. Riot'ers are hurt, cause they ain't getting that green bill. We've made an impact, then they changed the system. But until then, say no to RP. I shall say this again. DON"T BUY RP, WORST POSSIBLE INVESTMENT
Ninox (OCE)
: To me that sounds a hell of a lot like baiting of the most toxic kind. Racist remarks are unsurprisingly a very easy way to get your account escalated straight to a 14 day ban.
> [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=8kbEj90p,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-06T05:02:10.629+0000) > > To me that sounds a hell of a lot like baiting of the most toxic kind. Racist remarks are unsurprisingly a very easy way to get your account escalated straight to a 14 day ban. Or it's the only thing the system can pick up SpookyDisco, you should try something like 'cancer', 'trash', 'garbage'. I promise you won't get banned But don't say '%%%%%%%%%%%' Good day to you sir
00shots00 (OCE)
: you'll get some coloured names jerk off comment on this saying "the banning system is fine blah blah blah". i'd hate to say it man but you're talking to a brick wall
> [{quoted}](name=00shots00,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=QYYy8dva,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-05T20:26:58.708+0000) > > you'll get some coloured names jerk off comment on this saying "the banning system is fine blah blah blah". i'd hate to say it man but you're talking to a brick wall At the end of the day, it's just a game ey?
SOOM (OCE)
: Well runes are all free so we all got access to all of them .... I think you are missing out on what riot did and are gonna open up again in the future.. the blue essence shop where you could buy chromas, icons, ward skins, and even that rare URF ww skin .... this boosts its value till about even because in old system you could only buy champs and runes and once you had standard runes there was no use purchasing many more.
Because they make it free, it means your IP has less uses. The blue essence shop offers some little actual benefit. You can buy champions: which is very expensive, if you consider the supply of blue essence. For example: a new account that play from lv1-30 would earn around 20k blue essence. Therefore, to own more than 15 champs (rank requirement), you would either have to spend real money, or get lucky with some crates. But the crates are based on chances; so a normal player that wants no part in spending real value for champions would have to grind LV. Imagine how efficient that is. With the old system you can access IP boost farming, and daily wins. You can argue that the new XP grind works the same in this instance, however, it would be way less efficient. Moving on, buying chromas does not add value to your account, especially when it's accessible by everyone. For instance: If Bliztcrank Chromas would to be opened, everyone would buy it, making it a common item. And the promise of rare skin, ward skins, icons is very occasional, you will never know when it will occur. Might be next year, what state would the game be in then? Remember the gaming industry is very competitive. Last point, the old runes system offer much more variety. Players can have a mix of their own unique combination set of runes, which make its special to each players. As a consequences, each player value their own preferences. History has shown: season 3: favourite runes for adc attack speeds with 2% life steal; or full attack damage, Midlane prefers: full ap, or ap with movement speeds, some Zed players: take 5% attack speed, Dopa Toyz TwistateFate with 4.5% movement speed. That's just to show how unique each player play style is different from another. And this is all coming from runes and IP. The more IP you have, the more runes you will have access to. With the removal of IP comes to centralisation in gameplay
Ninox (OCE)
: Or you know, we're explaining the way things are to help people who don't know separate from our own opinions. Or you know, we simply agree or mostly agree with a given change. Or we think people are making assumptions based on too little info. But I guess disagreeing is toxic now?
> [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=7sELhYdG,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-02-05T10:51:56.759+0000) > > Or you know, we're explaining the way things are to help people who don't know separate from our own opinions. Or you know, we simply agree or mostly agree with a given change. Or we think people are making assumptions based on too little info. > > But I guess disagreeing is toxic now? Blame the users. Classic move
darklem (OCE)
: Permanently banned even though I'm fairly sure I didn't deserve it.
Sorry to disappoint you, there is no way they going to reverse the ban
: > [{quoted}](name=MysticLlamaZ,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=hAKrxaFe,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-05T12:06:15.365+0000) > > Care to explain that math? Blue essence can only be used to upgrade masteries and champions shard (which is very random). It can also be used to buy champions. However, most accounts have access to champions already. This is due to 7 seasons of IP currency. But, the point of having IP is to buy runes which is something unique to each player's preferences. Therefore, it has a value of its own. On the other hand, blue essence has limited uses. It is only for loot system, has no value beside that. Therefore, if you have multiple champion shard (no one care), if you have tons of blue essence (no one want it). Value goes down
Players can also use RP to buy champions, but they can't buy runes with RP
SOOM (OCE)
: Care to explain that math?
> [{quoted}](name=MysticLlamaZ,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=hAKrxaFe,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-05T12:06:15.365+0000) > > Care to explain that math? Blue essence can only be used to upgrade masteries and champions shard (which is very random). It can also be used to buy champions. However, most accounts have access to champions already. This is due to 7 seasons of IP currency. But, the point of having IP is to buy runes which is something unique to each player's preferences. Therefore, it has a value of its own. On the other hand, blue essence has limited uses. It is only for loot system, has no value beside that. Therefore, if you have multiple champion shard (no one care), if you have tons of blue essence (no one want it). Value goes down
Ninox (OCE)
: The system definitely isn't the best with intentionally feeding, especially with scenarios where they'll split push or something to avoid detection. Essentially it's to prevent people how are legitimately just bad from being banned for intent feeding (how much would it suck to have a few really bad games and get banned for it?). Personally I feel it would be better to turn up the detection and handle the false positives as they come but that's not my choice to make. Support can't tell you anything about another persons account, which is why you'll always get a generic response when you send them reports, but I'll see what I can do to make sure it gets looked into. I deleted the first screenshot because it wasn't that hard to find the guys account, and in the event that it *is* just a really really bad player, we don't want a witch hunt (hence the no naming and shaming rules for boards)
Your actions is very mature and supportive. We should have more Riot'er like you
: >HOW ARE YOU GONNA COPE WITH THE DECLINING AMOUNT OF PLAYERS? More and more invasive and enforced micro transactions. What do you think the change to blue essence was?
My account is now owned over 200k blue essence, which does nothing. The change actually decrease the account's value by half
Ingénue (OCE)
: End of game reporting is sufficient for chat related offenses (the system does actually pick up insults in multiple languages, as long as they are reported) . For behavior related things its a little bit trickier since the systems in place are still a bit lackluster, especially in cases where it isn't obviously apparent what is occurring. **We still encourage you to submit a report in the end game screen, and to include a little comment in the provided box outlining what happened.** This is important because occasionally there are manual reviews and it just gives a little bit more insight. You can also opt to send in a [support ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new), although they cannot tell you what punishment was handed out to the players, if any, due to privacy issues.
What you saying the system can pick up swearing from variety of language. However, what is consider acceptable? If a player call another 'trash' then refuse to group, and constant spam ping (simple example). Should it be consider an act of unsportsmanlike behaviour? And if it is, how will the system detect these?
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Ninox (OCE)
: EDIT: It only shows when you get logged out by logging in elsewhere.
Fitzky (OCE)
: They're explaining something that is clearly 9/10 times defending the shit out of Riot when they have done something stupid or aren't listening to the community.
Stop buying RP. Worst possible currency $5=520RP, shall add about give you a negative Returns on Investment when you sell your account. Example: an Ultimate Skin is priced at $35, will add only a $10 of real value to your account. $35=$10, bad investment. Stop buying RP (These number are not to be taken as fact, though, there are standing on the figure, which were extracted from Ebay League of Legends Accounts)
: Chinese Booster and his friends harassing players, but no worry they are not gonna be punished
Red Flag if you type anything in English. It's recommended by Riot System to use another language
Ingénue (OCE)
: I definitely agree for the most part. I am very sick of people calling "gg ff@15" from first blood/first tower. I'm also pretty done with teammates trying to call a sneaky FF when we lose a team fight or an objective, which are actually so tiny when we look at the bigger picture and see that both teams are mostly even. Of course, there are always times where a surrender might actually be your best option, to save your mental. * You don't really want to drag out a game where everyone is flaming each other * It can also be pretty obvious when your team stops trying, and you wont be able to make a comeback with a team thats going on autopilot mode. >or is this always been the case either way I don't think there's any point playing ranked in silver - gold at the current moment I hate to tell you, but it doesn't get better the higher you go up. I find plat and low diamond some of the worst when it comes to pushing and grieving to get a surrender vote going
It is a punishable offend to give up. What actions is Riot taking to punish players like this?
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Ingénue (OCE)
: It was deleted due to naming and shaming a player {which is against our [universal rules](https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/BjArMH2B-boards-universal-rules)}, as outlined in the warning you would have received when the post was deleted. We encourage you to post it again, however please do not include a link to the players 0P.GG and please do not name the player in question. We believe the discussion around "do people get punished if they flame in another language" is valuable, however it needs to occur in a way that is inline with boards community rules.
So censorship is important. You are very honourable. Though, I do have my concerns in regards to the toxic behaviour of certain player (or group of players). If it's not possible to naming them, with the inefficient of the system. How do I make sure these type of players are reported?
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