: But leaverbuster punishes AFKs anyway. Reporting for AFK is more for grief AFKs, so AFking because you can't move half the game isn't really something you should report for...
But it doesn't stop the report being accurate? Sure lag sucks, but that lag doesn't stop the fact that AFKing isn't ok, and is a reportable offense, and leaverbuster doesn't always work as well as it should.
: Why do people say "you shouldn't have played" to a lagger?
As for my actual thoughts on the matter it's this, The issue isn't the people who lag out one in a 1000 games, it's the fact that a lot of these people are lagging 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 games, and ruin the experience for everyone, hell some of the friends i play with complain about the same issues, and that's where i can see the justification of the saying "then you shouldn't play" But for most of my friends, i also don't blame them for the lag, i know better, Australian internet sucks and it's the ISP's fault, not the player, but that doesn't magically make it ok to leave a game however, these friends of mine still play the game out, which is a fuck ton better then the player you talked about who left, and that's where i won't give forgiveness to someone regardless of any circumstance.
: Why do people say "you shouldn't have played" to a lagger?
"my Ashe said to report him. So, I told her that he had 1k+ ping, so there's no way he could have played properly." Just to be clear, Lag isn't an excuse for getting out of a report for AFKing in a game.
: Division 4 of any rank is the most garbage, toxic, unfun period of this game.
Yes division 4 of every rank is awful because the fact that people can't be demoted gives them no reason to try... ever.
: > So first the main stuff needs to be transferred into different types of cases, since facing facts, there are people who will troll, and people who will intentionally feed, this is achieved quite easily more then likely through just **doing a quick cross section of the reports and finding the key words that would tell about each**, not every report needs to show the key words, but letting the community know this is an initiative would incentivize them actively making use of the words as well. You are suggesting using words of mouth as proof in order to speed up the process? Without the game play footage, this is effectively flawed and one sided. Not only it neglect the circumstance of the case, it heavily leaned on the majority's accusation. Which can be easily abuse under stressful situation where 4 players would point their finger to the guy who lost lane. > You really are trying to do this in the dumbest manner, which i think just shows your inability to think of a solution then anything else, none of what your trying to say, needs a support employee to be involved. The one who is not being comprehensive is you, not i. I'm covering more aspects, from reasoning to timing. While you've pushed passed the details in order to get your shallow idea into the arena. The so call solution you came up with, is no more than child play. No serious company would hire you for that idea. It is so elementary, that it is laughable. > Yes but across the whole population, it's not like proper players would get reported every game in a 20 game stretch (or at least a high percentage) your the person who's trying to find the occasional 1 in 20 game inter, not me (though admittedly it wouldn't be hard to tell since they tend to use the chat in stupid ways that make it obvious as well, but not really my point). In order to grasp a reasonable conclusion, we 1st need to understand the nature of why report occur in the case of, troll/inter or innocent. Such as: no sympathy for the guy who lost lane badly, don't know why the team mate got destroyed in lane but take an assumption that he didn't want to win, playing an off meta champ and under performing. All of these add on to losing and temper, people are quick to report others. Who's to say the same player that was reported in one game, wont be reported again for the same reason? Should that player be ban based on others painting a narrative? If yes, then how many games of being reported must the person go through before the trigger is pull? **How can a support employee know without manually checking it through?? Because words of mouth is good enough? You think everything can be boiled down to judgement for the one game?? ** What if someone feed on your one game, but did not do it on the next? But since you are so pissed off about losing you think he is an inter/troll. Better yet, do you track the inting player and determine that they are a serial offender? So easy for you to cut all the information out and make a loose assessment. > And that would be why you don't investigate every single report in the game like a moron. That is why there is a big delay on game play banning vs WORDS BANNING! HOLY @#$%. You don't think things through, you just come up with these 144p resolution idea and think it is HD.
"That is why there is a big delay on game play banning vs WORDS BANNING! HOLY @#$%." This assumes that the game play bans happen at all just FYI. But hey your too busy assuming what the idea of trying to implement this would be instead of even considering how easy it would be to implement something that would actually make it not need to be a huge manual slog, Cause you know, Tribunal forced players to review things for hours on end to get a judgement. Or even better, it's not like the bot could compile enough information for a good analysis of what the player is doing. "What if someone feed on your one game, but did not do it on the next? But since you are so pissed off about losing you think he is an inter/troll. Better yet, do you track the inting player and determine that they are a serial offender?" It's not hard to spot serial offenders, and they are everywhere in games, usually with history's full of trolling or inting behaviour. And no it doesn't take me hours to review footage to be able to see that.
: Small indie devs, by the way.
From what i heard they also stuffed up all of teemos Text boxes as well.
: > Never mind the fact that it's obvious with a **simple review of what they are doing half the time**, but that's not the point. Are you kidding me? How many people do you think riot would need to hire to bring your idea into being? 1 person working for 8 hours; From reading the complaint to manually checking the replay would take at least 7-9mins to grasp a proper analysis. The finer details i imagined would entails, watching all the moments leading up to the bad scores, as well as exchanges of words. Tilting? Bad plays? team is overall losing? What happen to make the scores that bad?? Is the player consistently scoring bad? being reported frequently? These are question a support employee would need to solve before handing out a **game play ban**. By no mean it will be a short duration type of viewing. A crossed all ranks players are prone to report the worst performing player on the team. Especially in silver4 or lower. Which are the bulk of the rank population. If the situation is as toxic as you have frequently mentioned. Then the figures of reported incidents would outmatch the numbers of employees by a LARGE MARGIN. It is a stupid move to hire so many employees to manually view replays like you have SUGGESTED. If you think it is simple. Then you are telling me a lot about yourself.
"1 person working for 8 hours; From reading the complaint to manually checking the replay would take at least 7-9mins to grasp a proper analysis. The finer details i imagined would entails, watching all the moments leading up to the bad scores, as well as exchanges of words." So first the main stuff needs to be transferred into different types of cases, since facing facts, there are people who will troll, and people who will intentionally feed, this is achieved quite easily more then likely through just doing a quick cross section of the reports and finding the key words that would tell about each, not every report needs to show the key words, but letting the community know this is an initiative would incentivize them actively making use of the words as well. "Tilting? Bad plays? team is overall losing? What happen to make the scores that bad?? Is the player consistently scoring bad? being reported frequently? These are question a support employee would need to solve before handing out a game play ban. By no mean it will be a short duration type of viewing." You really are trying to do this in the dumbest manner, which i think just shows your inability to think of a solution then anything else, none of what your trying to say, needs a support employee to be involved. "A crossed all ranks players are prone to report the worst performing player on the team. Especially in silver4 or lower. Which are the bulk of the rank population." Yes but across the whole population, it's not like proper players would get reported every game in a 20 game stretch (or at least a high percentage) your the person who's trying to find the occasional 1 in 20 game inter, not me (though admittedly it wouldn't be hard to tell since they tend to use the chat in stupid ways that make it obvious as well, but not really my point). "If the situation is as toxic as you have frequently mentioned. Then the figures of reported incidents would outmatch the numbers of employees by a LARGE MARGIN. It is a stupid move to hire so many employees to manually view replays like you have SUGGESTED." And that would be why you don't investigate every single report in the game like a moron.
: Mages get it too though, Karthus' Q, Lux's passive, Zoe/Neeko AA enhancers, Twisted Fate's W/E, Ziggs's passive, Annie's Q, etc. Its not like most mages are unarmed when it comes to last hitting. So theres not a lot of excuse, in the early game, Kayle's E is pretty much the only thing she CAN farm with, Kassadin isn't too different. If they even try to use their regular AA's they'll be poked into oblivion.
The difference i'm pointing out for the most part is that a bunch of the melee champions that go mid have some way of actually picking up the CS more easily with their autos, and don't have as much of an excuse for stuffing up the CS. And for your list outside of Annie Q a lot of these cost large amounts of mana that can't always be used just for it or are only for select autos, so aren't always a benefit you can count on.
: Yeah, you're not wrong at all there. And I must admit Yasuo can CS abominably well for someone who can also pick up kills easily. But it's not just those champs. I notice I CS better when playing Kassadin or Kayle, because you focus so much harder. But yes, you are correct.
Kassadin W gives you a bonus damage passively, same with Kayle E. Generally speaking you'll find that these champions with passive damages just CS better because it's the same as having some extra AD to farm with.
: JasonWazza has some good advice there. Ill just add what I can to it. Ironically, I often find melee champions end up with more farm than ranged ones _(maybe as a mid mage player, you'll notice that Zed and Yasuo etc often end up with more farm than your range wave-clear mage)_. This is due to your change in focus as a melee champion. When you're ranged, you know you have the 'advantage' over a melee, so you try to press that advantage by harassing them, you're splitting your focus between farming, living, and harassing. While all they are focusing on is last hitting minions and staying alive in between. Ive often put myself behind in gold trying to press my range advantage on a melee champ. Kled is maybe the one champion in the game who shouldn't do this though xD Kled thrives by just going in, and staying in! Unfortunately Teemo's blind completely counters Kled's engages. So Kled is well and truly at a disadvantage here. In this situation like JasonWazza said, accept that lane is a loss, and focus on other aspects of the game. Shift your focus to just not dying. If your jungler is in a position to help, you can try an engage, and that should at very least give you some farming time while Teemo goes back. But your bets bet is to use your amazing roam potential to help other lanes. Whenever your ult is up, come down into mid, or B and run it down bot lane _(they'll never see it coming down there)_. If you're going to try roaming a lot, id just do your normal build. But if you cant, and are forced to stay in lane, an early Adaptive Help will be a godsend against Teemo! ________________________ In the more general melee vs ranged situation, It's a mental game. They have the physical advantage, so you have to have the mental one. Look for openings, people with advantages tend to try to press them, if you put your focus on just staying alive _(which means missing farm every now and then)_, they will get frustrated when they aren't getting anything for their efforts, and they'll start to try harder to get you, and when they start doing this, they will make a mistake! That's your time to strike. Then that frustrates them even further. Nothing tilts a person faster than being killed by the champion you should counter. If you're a Nasus, and you manage to go 3/0 on a Teemo, he's gone for the rest of the game, mentally most people just don't recover from that. Especially seeming he probably picked Teemo just to counter Nasus. Just work on giving them absolutely nothing! They may have the CS advantage, but thats not enough for most people, the blood is in the water and they want those kills. They will start taking risks, and that's when they die.
"(maybe as a mid mage player, you'll notice that Zed and Yasuo etc often end up with more farm than your range wave-clear mage)" To be slightly fair on the mage player in these scenarios, Zed and Yasuo both do have easy ways to get CS (Zed has his Execute and is AD, Yasuo can Q the minion without autoing and is also AD) when compared to mages who struggle due to the fact that they potentially lack the AD to get the CS. Pressure or no, these champions will always have the advantage in getting CS.
: I don't even believe there is a system at this point. With how often, tonight alone, the amount of abusive inters/afkers was unreal, and I can say with certainty that they won't go punished. Because, AND QUOTING RITO, that isn't against the rules.
no it's against the rules it's just "hard to define intentional feeding over just being bad" Never mind the fact that it's obvious with a simple review of what they are doing half the time, but that's not the point. but hey it gives the trolls the "i'm just bad" defence to use regardless of how many games they just int for.
: How do I lane against ranged champions with melee champions
Basically what you need to do is work out 1 thing Can you trade and disengage (to a point where your out of range) in a positive way or not? If yes, make those trades, and fall back as soon as your all on cooldowns, and keep doing these trades, odds are you will slowly cement a lead and eventually the ranged player will be playing around you. If no, then you concede the lane, and mostly focus on your CSing, CS with abilities from range where you can, and wait until either a jungle gank (don't force them to gank if you can't follow up) or until you hit a position where trading is possible. A lot of the above comes from understanding the matchups, and the damage each champion can dish out, and knowing how long it might take to get out of a Ranged champions reach (for example, getting out of a caitlyn's reach takes longer then getting out of a vayne's reach.) One of the fundamentals that seems to be not acknowledged a lot of the time is losing lane in a positive manner, losing lane WILL happen, some lanes are just meant to be lost, but the main thing to learn is that a lost lane doesn't mean your gonna lose the game, it just means playing more passive then you otherwise would in a skill matchup.
: > EDIT: And as a secondary note to this, it also adds to a behaviour issue that has been around for years, where people think that they got to X rank and therefore they are better then you no matter what, that has increased 10 fold because these players are also now higher then before and think that they are so good for having climbed that far. And on occasion you'll get players like me who are the opposite. I've almost made it to plat, but I still think im trash af. Like, hella trash.
Fact is in all reality everyone below Master on every server is trash, but hey that's just reality. But there is a blatant issue of people thinking they are awesome because they are a higher rank because of the new system.
: It's an absolute joke. I end up just losing interest before 20 minutes because of the bs that goes on. I've been in and out of gold (Silver 1 to gold 4) 4 times this season because of this. It's not like it's placing me against really good players. Just tilted ones.
The issue is the MMR your talking about is a lot lower then you'd think it is. Since the rank restructuring (Removing Rank V and adding Iron) Gold V has moved towards Plat IV as an equivalent position, which lets you realize just how big a change it really ends up being. Silver 1/Gold 4 has more or less is probably around the Low silver games, where this kind of coin flipness has always been an issue (outside of a really mismatch from people way above the rank playing in that area). Of course this probably doesn't sound great to people who think their climb meant a lot over the past season, but it's more pushing to provide context as to why you might be finding that the coin flip is happening every game regardless of what impact you can have (the old 40/40/20 rule i would say outside of being absurdly lower then you should be i would say has moved closer to 45/45/10) EDIT: And as a secondary note to this, it also adds to a behaviour issue that has been around for years, where people think that they got to X rank and therefore they are better then you no matter what, that has increased 10 fold because these players are also now higher then before and think that they are so good for having climbed that far.
Lökí (OCE)
: Autofill is cancer.
The other thing being that Autofill should be fixed in general, i know in Normal Draft several times me and my friends get auto filled, to the point where we have to switch roles between ourselves because 2/3 of us get autofilled when in reality only one of us needed to be at most.
: Teamfight Tactics vsing the same people back-to-back (and/or very frequently)
The issue is simply that Riot doesn't really know how to fix some of the worst bugs that TFT have. And are too busy on new items and shit that need proper coding before this matchmaking stuff.
: **"Based on information provided"** As in, there is more to this, and we as random strangers on the internet don't have that information. Has OP had chat restrictions before? Even a ban maybe? Are they consistently low-tier negative or have they literally just come off a punishment? *We don't know*. Support does, hence the recommendation to ticket support. They can provide more context for cases that are less cut and dry. Sometimes we can offer that context, sometimes it requires a deeper understanding of the specific *personal* history that we just don't have access to. Sometimes it's as bit of both. The reform card shows the exact game(s) that triggered the system, and yes, in some cases it can be lacking context, but if the system were to provide every shred of context then 1. it would go the way of "Terms and conditions" and barely anyone would actually read it, 2. It makes it harder for players to understand what behaviour is the problem and needs changing, and what behaviour is just used contextually, and 3. It gives people a means to game the system. The OPs entire chat log is negative. Do I think more context is necessary to recognise that and recognise it is problematic? No, which means the reform card has done its job. Do I think there is more context that can be provided upon request? Absolutely, and it is there if OP asks for it. You give the *necessary* information first, and (ideally, repeat it last), because that is what will stick. The deeper essay length context is useful for some (i.e those that ask for it), but not for everyone, and there are those that will look at that wall and read none of it. This is also where that vocal minority bias comes in. If a player is coming to boards, it's because they are seeking either context or validation in one form or another. Players aren't going to come to boards to say "Hey, I got this punishment, I know exactly why and it was totally deserved" are they? There's no point.
"As in, there is more to this, and we as random strangers on the internet don't have that information." No as in there isn't enough information provided in the logs. "The OPs entire chat log is negative. Do I think more context is necessary to recognise that and recognise it is problematic? No, which means the reform card has done its job." Might i just point out one thing. If this player legitmately thought they deserved the ban and needed to reform, would this post exist? "This is also where that vocal minority bias comes in. If a player is coming to boards, it's because they are seeking either context or validation in one form or another." So fuck the vocal minority right? Oh except the reporting public is also a vocal minority, but we have to listen to everything they say.
: I have to admit, you lost me here. In that scenario, the "kys" game would trigger a punishment, in which case that game would appear in the reform card, i.e the reform card is showing you what behaviour triggered the punishment. I'm really not sure what inconsistency you are referring to. The whole point of having a learning system that doesn't function on keywords (other than the impossibility of that feat), is so there can be some degree of tailoring to encourage reform. You don't achieve reformation by punishing to the utmost the slightest infractions. You understand that people aren't perfect, and aren't expected to be, but demonstrate boundaries when a behaviour crosses the line. You don't expel a kid from school for running in the hallways, but a kid who is constantly ignoring the warnings against running in the hallways may get less leeway upon doing something more serious, or may eventually face some form of punishment in the hopes of stopping the behaviour before they seriously injure themselves or someone else. The reform card shows what ultimately triggered the punishment because that is what is relevant to the punishment, and to the actions the player in question has to take (or not take) to improve their behaviour and avoid further punishment.
The OP has stuff that looks like it's so deserving of a ban that one of you guys had this to say "Based on information provided, couldn't say I'm 100% confident that it's definitely deserved" Legitimately if you think this 100% deserves a ban, i really think you need to get checked. But assuming it is enough to deserve a ban, Riot's own systems flat out don't work. But hey he can really reform based off this considering his chat restriction has nothing to do with the logs he was shown. At least tribunal cards were forced to have relevant shit in them. Oh which speaking of. "It's background information that basically works like a character witness. You wouldn't be punished in court for being an asshole to your mate, but if you ever find yourself in court that information can be used in other ways." "You don't expel a kid from school for running in the hallways, but a kid who is constantly ignoring the warnings against running in the hallways may get less leeway upon doing something more serious, or may eventually face some form of punishment in the hopes of stopping the behaviour before they seriously injure themselves or someone else." If your explaining it as if it's a court case, that requires evidence (that would be shown to a plaintiff, they can't just be put in jail for no evidence, which is essentially what the current League system does) don't then try and use the same bs to compare it to a school expulsion.
: That's not what I said at all.... E.G. You get frustrated in a game and tell someone "go f yourself". It's undeniably toxic, but also really not that bad and not worth a punishment on its own. What it can be is an indicator of a shift in behaviour, but for *the vast majority* of the population, it's a one-game here and there type deal and the behaviour will not be repeated with any sort of consistency. It's background information that basically works like a character witness. You wouldn't be punished in court for being an asshole to your mate, but if you ever find yourself in court that information can be used in other ways.
But saying KYS is undeniable toxic, but also so bad that it requires an instant 14 day ban (when it works) But this isn't just used as an indicator of a shift in behaviour, this is now considered to be they are so toxic that saying it once (hell even repeating it) can get someone banned. Fact is the ban system lacks consistency in itself. But again, the issue is that the reform cards don't actually show what actually got someone banned/chat restricted in the grand scheme of things, which again MAKES IT ALL USELESS FOR REFORM. This obviously assuming that Riot still wants to base this all on trying to get people to reform.
: You can play a game and be reported + flagged for negative activity, but not trigger the system (minor negativity, first instance of bad behaviour, etc). These games contribute to negative history but not always directly to a particular punishment, in much the same way as a prior punishment will impact how the system reacts to your subsequent behaviour. You could consider such games as little red flags. Games that wouldn't trigger a punishment and aren't really worth a warning, but demonstrate behaviour that can become problematic if it continues and/or escalates. Including such games in the reform cards would imply that those games were what triggered the punishment when they aren't. The negative history prompts the system to look closer at a given player, and shortens the leeway allowed. In essence, it can impact *when* a punishment happens, but does not impact the punishment itself.
So what your saying is Riot's whole "we want you to reform, so we ban(/chat restrict) you instantly when the bad behaviour happens, and give you those logs so you can reflect on your actions" Means nothing. Since what your saying implies the above system that Riot has said is the way it's working for years isn't how it works. So the instant feedback system is useless, and can't provide a way to reform, because you literally don't actually see the bad behaviour that leads to the ban.
HeartVine (OCE)
: First things first, if you think you've been wrongfully punished and want to appeal you'll need to submit a ticket to [Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) (use the "Discuss a personal suspension or restriction" option) and go through the process with them. Looking through the chat logs, it seems like it's all negative. Things like degrading and/or insulting others and rank/stat shaming can certainly contribute to a punishment. Based on information provided, couldn't say I'm 100% confident that it's definitely deserved, but there could be games that haven't shown up with the reform card (which could happen depending on the time frame between offending games), and it's also possible that the term "retarted" may have contributed. Will have to recommend you to Support to get more info and explore the possibility of a false positive. Couple other things I want to mention, first of which is; you are being judged on your own behaviour, not the behaviour of others. No player is judged on a scale of "you did the wrong thing, but they did something worse", it is *always* simply "you did the wrong thing". It sucks to be treated like shit by someone, but it is not your place to retaliate or issue punishment to them, and doing so often puts you in a bad place. Often players who are engaging in such behaviour do so in order to get a response, and so the best way to deal with them is to deprive them of that. It's not easy, but putting the effort in can allow you to gain a better sense of control over you need/desire to retaliate against such individuals, and there are a variety of ways you can go about that. Something that can help is to have an outlet for such emotions. For example; exercise, martial arts, drawing/painting, or puzzles/riddles etc. may provide a way to channel frustration into something more constructive.
"but there could be games that haven't shown up with the reform card" Almost like this has been an issue for years upon years, and hasn't been fixed for some reason. "but it is not your place to retaliate or issue punishment to them, and doing so often puts you in a bad place." Yeah doing so almost always gets you banned, even though they tend to avoid bans while doing this stuff for long periods of time.
All (OCE)
: Really a 10 game chat restriction for this?
As an actual aside, was he actually calling you "retarted" or was that you censoring it yourself? If so the guy is legitimately just avoiding the Hard-Line Phrase that riot's implemented.
All (OCE)
: Really a 10 game chat restriction for this?
Riot Games: "People being a dick doesn't mean you can be a dick, you sit there and take that dicking like a good little boy." Even better is I've recently found out their system and it's hard-line phrases aren't even picked up properly
Rioter Comments
: if u see a player feed what can u do
Sit back, and enjoy the ride, because if you say anything to them you get reported.
: The only thing that reduced report weight was spam false reports, but they've since removed that. I suppose it's possible they've reimplemented it if it was causing problems. There have been no official changes that I've heard of though.
Spam false reports, you mean the reports i make on a daily basis because this community is terrible and ranges from a person from a 4 man premade telling me to kys because his literally only ever getting my report, to being in a similar style 4 man premade that ended up telling the enemy team that if they ended they are... and i quote "9x gay" whatever the hell that actually means. I'm sure 90% of my reports don't get flagged for shit, but it's amazing to put that into perspective when in reality, these can be some of the worst players, because i'm also not just a pansy who reports everything.
: It should be a 14-day ban. I've almost always seen the popup and not even had to check history so I'm not sure why it would get missed if they just straight up said it. It's one to ticket.
So the system doesn't work therefore i have to literally go out of my way to make a ticket. On a word that should be tracked essentially server wide and shouldn't even need reporting. Good to know that my report weight compared to yours (A riot member of some extent) are so vastly different that they don't even scan for a hard-line phrase when i report.
: Gameplay punishments (griefing, intent feeding, etc) are tricky. They can be slower to be punished than anyone would like because of the nature of intent. It's much easier to determine intent from chat than it is from gameplay. Saying "kys" is clear cut, going 1/10 not so much. That's not to say such behaviour doesn't get punished, just that it can, unfortunately, be slower to action. As for chat, BS like "kys" should always result in an escalated punishment. If it hasn't for whatever reason, that's one you want to pass onto [player support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) to follow up. Be aware though that support can't give you *any* information about another player, explicit or implicit, so you will get a generic "thanks for your report" type response. As for the monetary perspective, happy consumers spend more money. Anyone with any shred of business sense can tell you that. It's in Riot's *financial* interest to police the community. They lose money by allowing toxicity, so even for the most selfish reason, they do care.
"Saying "kys" is clear cut," So question, is saying kys still an instant 14 day ban, or is it chat restrictions or what? Had someone tell me to kys yesterday, still unbanned today, adding them to try and ask them if they got a chat restriction right now, but i doubt it tbh.
: They had a tribunal of players, and it required almost universal oversight because it was punishing as harshly as possible for the smallest things. If all tribunal decisions had to be reviewed, it sort of defeats the purpose of a tribunal. As for paid positions, there is still manual oversight of the system. Ticket appeals/reports are manually reviewed, but it's a much slower process than what the IFS can do. The reason they don't manually review everything is partly the time factor (a punishment is a lot more effective if handed out immediately after the offence, rather than days or more later) and also the scale-ability (think about how many reports get submitted every single game, *worldwide*. There aren't that many people to hire, even if they could afford it).
"As for paid positions, there is still manual oversight of the system. Ticket appeals/reports are manually reviewed" As long as you make 3-4 tickets and have eventually gotten a human to actually review it instead of a copy paste job.
: Riot is in control of contents published by it own source, but has no control over the general domain of public sites. I don't understand why you are having trouble figuring this out.
: It's a Riot/Boards rule, not a Twitch or Youtube rule. Also, naming isn't the issue, it's the naming *and shaming* that is against the rules.
Yeah and people get shamed in youtube videos (rightfully so in my opinion), so why wouldn't that be an issue with youtube videos? Especially since it's a RIOT rule as you said. Just this hasn't been done in the past as far as i'm aware, and i'm kinda curious why this is a thing now.
: It was removed because it showed summoner names.
So all youtube videos should be removed by Riot then, since most contain the names of players and could cause witch hunts. And you should also force all streamers to turn off names, since witch hunts. Hell the game in general should not show names since again, it might cause a witch hunt to start.
: "Ranked Matchmaking" Inbalance
don't expect good matchmaking in flex.
: I've been saying this for a while. However, everyones defending them. I dunno why, but they're being defended.
i don't know about everyone, mostly the same Rito parrots all the time.
: yet riot bans my main account for saying ch1ng ch0ng once as a joke, intresting
Yeah cause if you do it once, it's not funny, if you ruin people's time's constantly, it's clearly ok at that point.
Kittenp0x (OCE)
: The pep-talk is appreciated, but this was my most recent game: https://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/253490951/201050290?tab=stats It took 26mins to get kill #1, because getting Teemo down was impossible. I got kill #2 about two->three seconds before the match ended. In any case that match went about 33mins too long, and it was only because of the Master Yi player that we actually managed to win. Again, thankyou for the positive words; but looking through my forum history it seems I was having this complaint (bot-infested games) about 5 years ago. After the match I've just had I just don't feel like playing anymore, but perhaps this issue will be fixed five years from now. :-(
My best suggestion for you would be to make a custom game, and fill it with a 5v5 of bots, at least then they are slightly competent bots that don't just intentionally feed.
Shiven (OCE)
: cut the log? can i get a comment form a riot moderator please. this guy has no context. i didn't bother reading the rest of the your comment because you clearly did not read mine. edit; I decided to read your comment because I realise I have come here to defend myself and some people might actually read what you wrote- As I said I was talking to my friend charlie who I affectionately refer to as "chavee". He has commented below and here is a link to the actual game (it's the last one I played). [https://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=Shiven](https://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=Shiven) Again I made no racist comments towards any teammates. if you read the chat log and was referring to a joke charlie made via VOIP. My only toxicity was towards the enemy team and even that was just general statements like you're dogshit after the game when they called us bad I'm only here to explain myself to riot admins, I do apologise to the community at large for this accident and yes I should have been more careful of how I chose to communicate to my mate and will just use a private chat next time; Moreover I do understand the negative impact of toxicity but do not have to answer to you personally- someone who didn't even read my post and already assumes I cut the chat log.
lol, your not going to get a response from riot admins via this in a way you'd like, if you want a response from them, support ticket is the way to go ( https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us ) As for my comment of you having cut the logs, i mean have you looked at how the logs look? This isn't a simple copy and paste is all i will say. And regarding this: "Again I made no racist comments towards any teammates." It actually doesn't matter at all who it was directed at, being toxic to an enemy player isn't acceptable according to Riot either.
Shiven (OCE)
: 14-Day Suspension - Misunderstanding - I'm not toxic
"Shiven: chavee am i racist?" Out of interest since you seem to have cut this log a decent chunk, what in the hell is this even possibly referencing? If your making racist comments, it's not gonna matter whether it was well intended or not, riot doesn't care. You can be a 5 man premade with friends that jokingly report you (or the enemy report you out of frustration) and get banned, so it's not like it matters what your team think is ok either.
: >Obviously I can see the logic in this, but unfortunately it's an idealistic view, in reality it doesn't usually work well. Ultimately, boards is a vocal minorty, even the bigger boards like NA. Hell, even Reddit doesn't account for a substantial chunk of the population that plays League. Such places are congregations of the passionate players, and while these groups are very important, they aren't the be-all and end-all. This applies to basically everything. The people that speak out on things are the ones that care the most. The quiet majority won't always agree, or care enough to do anything about it even if they do, and we need the help of that majority to make change. In the meantime, every little bit helps. If every person who sees it as an issue just says "well if other people aren't going to do anything, I might as well not" then nothing will *ever* change. Large-scale change is slow, that is the reality, but ultimately change does happen.
While i'll agree that the boards community is a vocal minority, i think the things that people miss is there are two non-vocal portions (especially F2P games) the non-vocal minority (People who are called Whales in the eyes of corporate shit bags) and the non-vocal Majority (non-whales, that will always be the majority) In the end, the non-vocal Majority historically leave a game without any words, and are just gone, and usually while not vocal about it, agree with the vocal minority, and once these people leave, and leave only the whales, it's a bad time, because the Whales don't want to play with only other whales, that's not the point for them. I'm sure League is probably feeling the crunch of these changes hitting their player base, and they need to start listening to the people trying to help them right the ship, or they are just gonna die. Sure it'll be slow, but does that really make it a good idea? I've been gaming way too long, and seen this happen to so many games, TFT is a way to get some people in-flowing, but it's not going to help League itself in any real measure, and riot really needs to think about what they are doing.
: It all comes down to that perspective. There are various reasons for the lack of care many have. Maybe it's because money is no issue and so the asking price for the $ cost of the tokens is a non-factor. Maybe it's because they have heaps of time and are heavily invested in League and so the time + $ price of just the pass isn't too much to ask because they'll get there just by playing as they normally do. Maybe it's because they just don't want the content for whatever reason. Regardless, that fundamental perspective means that unless they actually sit down and think about it from the other side, they will fail to see a problem every time. Personally, I'd say I'm somewhere in the middle. I have more of a problem with Prestige skins being used to push loot boxes (as token bundles) than I do with the Prestige skins themselves, but I also acknowledge that I'm going to very conflicted if a champ like Nami gets a Prestige skin. I also work with Pop! Vinyls and those are just a collector's nightmare, so I wouldn't deny being somewhat desensitised.
I mean personally i'm just at the point of i'm sick of these disgusting ways of doing micro transactions, and refuse to actually fund any game that uses them, and hell part of the reason i left way back when was due to the direction Riot was going with Micro transactions (and coming back they only got worse from what i can tell) Hell i opened a set of four loot boxes in the league client yesterday, and it really showed how far it's fallen compared to what you used to get on release of the loot boxes.
: > oh no, I do not like free stuff What free stuff? The free stuff you purchase with tokens earned from a pass that you have to pay for? Or the 1 free Border or Chroma that you earn with the tokens you get from missions, that you can only use on a skin _you have to pay for_? Riot is a company not a charity, they don't just hand out free stuff willy nilly, everything is a business strategy _(or else it wouldn't exist)_. You can't fault them for that. But we can fault them for _how_ they do that. > they are physically controlling my hand to play in event modes No one said anything about 'physically', not sure where you got that from. 'Psychologically' perhaps is closer to the mark. Because they do pressure you to play: Say you're an Irelia main, or a 1-trick even. If you don't get that prestige skin now, you will never, NEVER have it with that border included, the same with the normal PROJECT: skin. Once the event is over, that's it, no more. _**Forever**_. You'll go the rest of your life knowing that you'll never ever be able to complete your Irelia collection, it doesn't matter how much you play, or what rank you are. Nothing you could do, will ever bring those limited things back. Thats a fair bit of pressure for someone who is invested in the game, particularly those who play champions who receive event only limited content. If you don't play Irelia, or don't care about loading screen flairs. Then you're a lucky man. But a lot of people do play Irelia, and a lot of people do care about loading screen flairs. _(why else do people grind out ranked for that gold+ border?)_ So yes, in that way, they do psychologically pressure you into playing the game.
Seriously wish people would understand this more, just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean your the one it's ultimately intended for, and the people it is intended for, well it's not fun at all for them.
JLopean (OCE)
: my last 2 games; a troll and 2 afks, and i lose 36 points. how is this considered fair?
You realise this has been the state of the game for years now right?
: Yeah I know gangplank isn't tanky, that's the point I'm making. Anyway, I think we have to agree to disagree. I don't like the 'unkillable juggernaut' playstyle. I don't care if the stats are balanced or not, I think it's not fun for people to play against, and that defeats the whole purpose of the game. I think the game should be based around compromise and strategic building/playing. In my mind, having no hard CC is not an equivalent trade for being un-killable with the high damage he has. He still has a big slow, and a very very high movement speed, so most champions cant escape him, or kill him before he can kill them. Im not saying mundo is 'brokenly op' or anything, i'm not even really talking about Mundo in particular. But I don't think building full tank but still doing lots of damage (in any capacity), is a healthy thing for the game and people's enjoyment of it.
Personally after having played a few league games (and not playing more or less for a year), i'd prefer if we went to seasons past where it was possible to stand in a lane without just randomly being burst by 1 random ability.
: Who do the Patch Notes miss things out now?
The patch notes aren't great, though for TFT i'm kinda more accepting of it, since they are hot fixing a lot of stuff constantly (and a decent chunk of it gets put in the next set of notes) Be great if following half a dozen twitter's of rioters wasn't required to keep up with all the changes. As for Death Recap, my guess is it hasn't been fixed, it just randomly works sometimes.
: I think these days you just have to mute all. Check out this history that got me a 14 day chat restriction: Game 1 Pre-Game Cakemeisting: they are 90% AP In-Game Cakemeisting: shje will cheese you Cakemeisting: 15 Cakemeisting: it helps if you know what champions do Cakemeisting: thats not shittalk Cakemeisting: its logic Cakemeisting: no Cakemeisting: but next game i will not be playkin Cakemeisting: a support like Cakemeisting: janna Cakemeisting: nami Cakemeisting: morgana Cakemeisting: or any "support" Cakemeisting: because hes replying to me Cakemeisting: good luck freezing after your tower dies Cakemeisting: jkinx and karma will be here soon Cakemeisting: back up jinx Cakemeisting: nio im not Cakemeisting: we defended the rift herald Cakemeisting: im not inting Cakemeisting: why would i go bot>?? Cakemeisting: nothing is bot Cakemeisting: just farm for jinx Cakemeisting: if she dies Cakemeisting: omg Cakemeisting: muting all Cakemeisting: no macro whatsoever Cakemeisting: nah dude Cakemeisting: you are silver because of macro Cakemeisting: btw they are comign Cakemeisting: because your TOWER IS NEXT Cakemeisting: anythign uinder masters in oce IS GARBAGE who cares bronze silver iron gold who cares Cakemeisting: improve your gamplay Cakemeisting: they would have got rift Cakemeisting: if i wasnt there Cakemeisting: now Cakemeisting: jinx died Cakemeisting: she was 0-5 Cakemeisting: WHO CARES Cakemeisting: now you can gank Cakemeisting: ya Cakemeisting: im zoning the karma Cakemeisting: so that the other monkey adc dies Cakemeisting: its called rotations warwick Cakemeisting: who cares Cakemeisting: waht rank we are Cakemeisting: its FACTS that matter Cakemeisting: and skill Cakemeisting: you do Cakemeisting: im not mad Cakemeisting: im logical. Cakemeisting: you talk shit, and you get logic back Cakemeisting: you needed to know why i flashed Cakemeisting: and i told you Cakemeisting: but now you are muted Cakemeisting: i havent got time to give free lessons Cakemeisting: and if you are duo with a lagging jinx Cakemeisting: dont do it Cakemeisting: waste of time Cakemeisting: see why does bot lane even matter Cakemeisting: shes not carrying Cakemeisting: bette to go elsewhere Cakemeisting: and get someone else ahead Cakemeisting: oh hes on mute he likes to argue for no reason and not even learn Cakemeisting: cool baron eh Cakemeisting: lmao Cakemeisting: guess where he is Cakemeisting: weedwick said something true? doubt it Cakemeisting: gg Post-Game Cakemeisting: do it then Cakemeisting: im only telling him logical things Cakemeisting: if he doesnt want to improve its doesnt matter Cakemeisting: if jinx cant freeze and not die under a toweer Cakemeisting: its too bad Cakemeisting: and if they come to tier 2 YOU GANK THEM Cakemeisting: like the first time Cakemeisting: when i zoned the karma Cakemeisting: thats why the support does not GO BOT WHEN THE TOWER DIES Cakemeisting: oh i did did i? Cakemeisting: look agaon That all from 1 game, when two duo players (jg and adc) were abusing me in chat and ping spamming, while the adc went 1-11 in lane or something. Btw I was Janna support and did more damage than the jungler. You just have to mute , or they gang up on you. I was so disgusted with their attitude that I closed the game before reporting them both. Seems like the system just goes off KDA. [Here is the opgg game score](https://i.imgur.com/Lbsm6uD.jpg). I also saved the vod.
Who said you were allowed to talk in league of legends? Banned.
Gehirn (OCE)
: Yea there's a new login flow that's rolling out to players bit by bit. Completely expected and looks like the window shown in this article: https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/client-updates-for-league-of-legends-are-on-the-way
Cheers ended up letting it run since the OP kinda made me think it was gonna stuff over my ability to login. Though seems like an odd first focus when the issue is the Client, not so much the login.
Gehirn (OCE)
: You can get help for these issues if you [contact player support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new). I can't see a ticket raised by you yet so I suggest giving that a shot.
Don't know if this is related to the above or not, but i got some random updater after opening league just now, that i assume was attempting to install the same League client (look's like a similar style) that randomly happened once and then didn't happen again (i closed it before it installed itself) Is this something that is meant to be intended to happen?
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=r0lUcXvO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-05T09:33:29.243+0000) > > Dragons aren't immune to magic damage anymore, they have the same resistance that dragon's claw gives. > > In saying that, a lot of the tooltips are broken this cycle (e.g Nobles) so I wouldn't be surprised if the tooltip is still the old one. > > https://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/teamfight-tactics-patch-915-notes#patch-dragon That's lame, needs a revert, 83% is pointless, if you can just build 2 Claws and put them on actually decent champions
You realize veigar is literally the main beneficiary to this change, and that it basically just made it so that you couldn't just win with a shyvana every single game? Hell your argument falls apart the second i point out that shyv is a 3 cost unit, why don't you make her a 3 star just like the guy making the veigar a 3 star?
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"3* buy barely round 10." I mean yeah, that's called hyper rolling.
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