: Played around 20 odd games outside of bots with other people (if you could fairly call them people and not half-formed orcs that slithered out of the mud pits of Mordor on a muggy afternoon while the interns were working the shovels). It is pure. Fucking. Tedium. Yeah whatever it might not "be for me" and I'm not going to entertain the inevitable "lol just git gud" dead horse that gets flogged in situations like this...but jesus tapdancing christ I gave it a fair shake of the sauce bottle. I didn't even get any sauce out of the bottle, I just got a dusty spritz of calcified rat cum. That alone is reason enough for me to flip the bird and never touch this jug of lumpy milk masquerading as a game ever again. Also, enjoying a shit thing after hundreds of hours of exposure to it is not a point in that things favor...its not warming up to it. Its stockholm syndrome. You can hold your hand over an open flame for 100 hours and yeah eventually you'll stop feeling the pain, but you'll have done serious damage to yourself.
"Played around 20 odd games outside of bots with other people (if you could fairly call them people and not half-formed orcs that slithered out of the mud pits of Mordor on a muggy afternoon while the interns were working the shovels)." Odd's are those were quite literally bots, League doesn't actually do anything about the issue of botting accounts to 30 and selling them off, so it basically means that those literally weren't people. "Also, enjoying a shit thing after hundreds of hours of exposure to it is not a point in that things favor...its not warming up to it. Its stockholm syndrome. " Also to be fair, years ago, it was actually a good game, i know i actually enjoyed the game from quite early on to start off with, but yeah now it's defenders are literally Stockholm syndroming everywhere so you know.
: I mean, don't judge the game until you're 30 and in ranked and not playing bots. The real game starts at 30.
I mean, the new player experience is still a forced part of the experience, so you know, can still be judged.
DeIud3r (OCE)
: "To be clear, it's not ok for anyone to use such language in-game. Generally, things like suicide encouragement and racism will result in an escalation to a 14-day ban." This is false and when they do get banned they have to be doing it consistently (10 games straight back to back). I've reported plenty of players over my 7 years of playing league and 1/10 of my report will work. Implying they're making racist assumptions, racist slurs, telling players to kill themselves and insinuating they should kill themselves. That photo that I posted that has now been removed, that player is still playing on as I write this comment! That screenshot was taken 6 days ago and even after I've sent a ticket it hasn't resulted in him getting a 14-day ban as you've said. The current report system is too lenient is should be imo anyone that said racist remarks or encourage suicide should be 14-day banned on sight. I think they could make the honour 5 rewards much better for players who did have sportsmanlike/good behaviour all year round. I play the game for more than 40+ every week and I can say with confidence that I am not exaggerating at all. All those points I listed will happen in at least 9/10 games you play in p1/d4 ranked.
The issue isn't that the system is lenient the issue is that the system is inconsistent and works off of bad metrics, and doesn't automatically check a chat log if someone is reported.
: unless your smurfing you cant really be expected to carrying yourself every game? with the changes happening for next year solo carry would be harder as well. Guaranteed the changes happening if they stay the way they are, will create more people that negatively impact games, whether verbal afk or trolling. Dota was able to work stuff out years ago when I used to play that. I don't understand how riot have not yet
"unless your smurfing you cant really be expected to carrying yourself every game?" I mean even smurfs (and this is more leaning on the side of pro's) have some trouble in certain ranks due to just how shit the matchmaking is.
: Is Riot intentionally funneling Chinese players onto Oce?
It's a matter of how the chinese server works, that we get the most toxic chinese players.
: It's not okay. Nothing about this situation assumes that it is? But lets look at it another way: Murder is not okay, but the police don't catch all murderers instantly. Just like how sometimes someone who forgot to pay for petrol at the station gets confronted that same day. Murder is of course a greater crime than forgetting to pay. But the justice system doesn't wait for all murderers in the world to be caught before going after smaller offenders does it? Sometimes murderers never get caught. No system is perfect. And unlike the justice systems of the world, league's system doesn't have a multi billion dollar budget and hundreds of thousands of employees devoted 8+ hours a day to catching the bad guys. So if all the worlds justice systems cant always stop one of the most serious crimes it's possible to commit. Why would you assume that a 10 year old online game has all the answers? League's system does what it can without compromising the average player _(we all snap sometimes, and I for one don't want to lose my account over a single day's bad mood)_. People who repeatedly offend, WILL get punished, maybe not in the few seconds after you press the report button, but eventually if they keep offending, they will be slapped with punishment. The system isn't perfect, and it never will be. No one is disputing that. But it does what it can, and it's better than no system. Maybe we the players should take more responsibility for our own actions, rather than blaming a line of code for the game being toxic?
"Murder is not okay, but the police don't catch all murderers instantly. Just like how sometimes someone who forgot to pay for petrol at the station gets confronted that same day." The police also don't have instant access to all information regarding every crime committed immediately, but hey shitty analogy's are the best way to do this. "doesn't have a multi billion dollar budget and hundreds of thousands of employees devoted 8+ hours a day to catching the bad guys." But what they do have is an instant feedback system which we are told can find and punish these people... well instantly as the name suggests. "But it does what it can, and it's better than no system. Maybe we the players should take more responsibility for our own actions, rather than blaming a line of code for the game being toxic?" A) No system would be better, like... literally, at least then it'd be consistent. B) The game is toxic because Riot refuses to do anything useful because the bot is infallible in their eyes while failing everyone all the time. C) Going back to the police example it'd be like if the cops saw 10 people Jaywalking at the same time, and only arrested 1 of them, sure it technically was a crime stopped, but they literally saw the same issue with 10 other people and turned a blind eye since most likely if this were the real world, it'd be the black person that they arrested. And hell if that happened in the real world, i'm sure you'd be all on the police for discrimination, so why is it ok from a corporation?
: You would be amazed how many games are actually winnable. But the people who quit, or surrender never find that out. And it shows in their gameplay! Being able to play into a losing game is a skill, one that many players are too impatient to learn. One of my secret pleasures is when a someone rages at the team for being shit then leaves early in the game. Those games spur me on to win just to spite them! Something Swain says sums it up nicely I think; _"I could kill them all, but it would be far crueler to show them that I am right."_ I love this mentality. It's so easy just to report someone and sulk about it, but a small penalty is nothing compared to looking back at your match history and seeing that 'Victory' you _knew_ was lost and chose to abandon, and in that moment realising that you mean NOTHING. Your team battled on in a 4v5 and won _because_ you weren't there. That truth hits harder than any chat ban. And I love inflicting that upon those who leave. {{sticker:sg-syndra}} My friend and I almost never surrender, so we know how to play into a losing game. Our Azir/Ashe can feel like the movie 300 sometimes! and of course we cant always bring it back from defeat _(especially as I've gotten progressively shitter at the game)_, but we make the enemy work damn hard for it! So you shouldn't intentionally feed, because there are still players in the game that could be trying, and you never know!
"My friend and I almost never surrender, so we know how to play into a losing game. Our Azir/Ashe can feel like the movie 300 sometimes! and of course we cant always bring it back from defeat (especially as I've gotten progressively shitter at the game), but we make the enemy work damn hard for it!" Me and my friends don't surrender for people who int feed, because the system doesn't punish them, so the least we can do is force them to stay in a game longer, and waste their time, but i'm glad you waste the time of the people who are in the right because you might win occasionally. That seems like a great use of anyone's time.
: Is okay to feed to end a game when 2 players have rage quit on purpose.
You have to learn to soft int, hard inting isn't ok, soft inting is. And when you compare a solo queue game to worlds, lets just also point out that in worlds no one leaves.
: Gemaplay aside, Is the fact that one is a cheap knock-off with hollow carbon-copy characters and poor visual design, and the other is a off-shoot of the single most popular PC game in the world, with characters that have endured the past 10 years, made and funded by a company millions of players trust, not enough of a difference? haha I know which one I'll choose to play :P
"and the other is a off-shoot of the single most popular PC game in the world, with characters that have endured the past 10 years, made and funded by a company millions of players trust, not enough of a difference?" You really are trying, but like all of this is lies. It's no longer the most popular PC game in the world, by a long shot. The characters have endured Riot's beatings for this whole 10 years. Millions of people, meaning like... not that many millions (For example, do you trust the balance department?). Hell i'd go for a knock off before the real thing because i don't trust Riot to competently make a product for shit, especially considering what the 10 year anniversary looked like.
: There's a lot more context in the background that we as players don't get. There's also not a lot of direct feedback on reports because in the interest of both privacy and reform (and various other things) Riot can't and won't reveal any information about another player's account to a third party (you or me for example). As a *general* rule, gameplay behaviours take longer to analyse and judge because it's harder to determine intent. Is this player playing like this because they are tilted or because they are intentionally trying to ruin the game? Maybe this is the first time chat has come into it at all. I can say that racist chat is a really fast way to get punished, and also something that is quite regularly (though not always) escalated (skipping chat restrictions and moving straight into a 14-day ban). As far as your report itself, it's probably not the answer you want but as I said, there are reasons Riot doesn't give direct feedback on reports. There is one notification that *sometimes* pops up when someone is punished as a result of a report you made, but it's extremely limited, and not seeing it doesn't mean nothing was done, it just means your individual report didn't meet the exceedingly limited criteria to show it. *Every* report is viewed by the IFS, and every report sent to support is manually reviewed *eventually*, though like I said that's a much slower process and they still can't actually give you any response beyond the usual (and granted, frustratingly generic) "thanks for your report, we can't say anything, keep using post-game".
"and every report sent to support is manually reviewed eventually" Just to be clear, do you mean support ticket, or are you actually referring to the report system?
: Neeko has a lot of bugs. Like how if you turn into Gnar, you’ll turn into mini Gnar regardless of Gnar’s current state. BUT even as mini Gnar, you always have Mega Gnar’s attack range. Also if the person you turn into has a fully stacked rageblade at the time, you can have your W passive proc on every second auto attack. Neeko turned into Ahri sometimes doesn’t have hold her ball. Etc etc. __________ Neeko’s passive is too half-hearted IMO. It has too many give-aways that make it obvious that you’re not the actual champ. Basic attack range for one, you can’t exceed your own attack range even if you’ve copied someone with greater range. Which makes being Trist/Cait etc very obvious lies. Champs with permanent particle effects tied to abilities (like Taric’s shoulder crystal) also make for very un-convincing fakes. Not to mention on hit effects like Vayne’s silver bolts not showing up. If you’re going to make Neeko’s disguise break on any champion damage, then her disguise should be convincing. If her disguise isn’t convincing, then it should have more durability (e.g. being broken only by spells that prevent casting) That’s my opinion at least.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/532516655968944128/629341403922825217/unknown.png Then there is shit like this, where it's not possible to not know who neeko is. But riot doesn't really seem to care enough to bother fixing it in a shorter time frame then when we can be fucked.
: > [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=wxEVkf3p,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-14T04:48:41.101+0000) > > "mods reading chat/game logs" > > Yeah people don't read logs, the bot does. that's kinda lame, chat 1, all chat counts right??? From lobby to end results
They have been sending it out in recent logs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the bot reads it, so you know, take what you think riot would do from that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=wxEVkf3p,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-13T06:09:31.730+0000) > > If you see someone with a name or club tag like this you can report them in post-game under the "Offensive Name" category. If you can't report them in post-game for whatever reason then you can submit your report as a ticket to player support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new excuse me but are the descriptions in the end results lobby loose (you can report under cheating if you see a cheater, not just what's labeled under cheating) or are they literally the only things you can report people for under their categories and are reports taken more seriously than just mods reading chat/game logs (e.g watch sent replays too if it's a support report because I don't know if the end game report has replay)???
"mods reading chat/game logs" Yeah people don't read logs, the bot does.
: Number of reports in a game doesn't matter, only a single report is needed to trigger a review of the game. What can affect you is a history of negativity (valid reports submitted against you but for behaviour that wasn't severe or consistent enough to warrant punishment), but I don't think that was necessarily the case here given it was only a 10-game restrict.
"Number of reports in a game doesn't matter, only a single report is needed to trigger a review of the game." Stop spouting this please. You know this isn't true.
: "why do all these people do things that annoy me and make my gaming experience bad?" is Bow wowzers mentality. I'm just describing it in my own words. As for the topic of trolls not being punished, I have never at any point of this discussion or any other stated that I agree with the current reporting or punishment system. My point I'm trying to make is it is a regular occurrence people come on to the forums flaming Riot for lack of punishment ect, yet that person is just as guilty as the people they are trying to report. There are tools, ways and means to solve these issues without becoming toxic yourself!
"I have never at any point of this discussion or any other stated that I agree with the current reporting or punishment system." And yet you keep talking as if the system works perfectly and we don't have games ruined on the regular.
C9 Girl (OCE)
: This is really lame
Because riot still decides your rank based on stupid indicators other then your MMR, so rank means nothing, and even the ranks that people have this season mean even less because Riot decided to move the goal posts so that Old Gold V is now Plat IV.
Naebae123 (OCE)
: Friend's list gone.
The client is just garbage, this is standard procedure considering what has recently been happening.
: To be honest all I'm seeing is, "me me me me" why do all these people do things that annoy me and make my gaming experience bad? Well take some responsibility for yourself and realize you are not exactly innocent in this. If you do the wrong thing you will get punished! What part of that is difficult to understand? Ok fine, so other are doing dumb things too and they don't "seem" to be reprimanded for it, so what? Of all the things you can possibly get angry and hold a grudge over you choose a online game? Come on mate, maybe it's time to get some hobbies or something.
"why do all these people do things that annoy me and make my gaming experience bad?" Because they can do it freely without punishment, so those that were proper toxic in chat just began ruining games like this instead. But hey lets pretending it's everyone else's fault that people troll constantly.
: So you get harassed all match and you end up with the chat restriction :)
Sit there and take it or you are the one in the wrong, that's been something riot has pushed for years now.
: Avoid as teammate feature
"It would expire over time and you would have a max amount of people you could unmatch with." You realize this makes the system not work right? I'd have to be allowed to avoid queues with staggering numbers in just a single day if i did this the way i wanted to. Because a decent chunk of the community is god awful. "Would really help especially for late night games and such when player population is small" Also that ends up being the opposite of what happens, eventually the late night system breaks down due to something like this and everyone just gets ludicrous queue times because no one can queue with anyone else.
: > [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=LT0EcRVP,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-05T09:08:09.334+0000) > > "and I'm assuming still playing the game so it can't be that bad can it." > > Let's see quit for a year and a half because the community is god awful, came back because of TFT, which is already really shitty (as someone who did enjoy other Auto chess games) and burned me out within a week or so (and i got to plat in it, not like it was hard, just not worthwhile), and i play league yes, but about 50% of the time i'm not enjoying a game because of some asshole in the game ruining it, generally both in chat and in game. > > So yeah i'd say it's that bad, i like league, i don't like playing league with other people. I understand the why and how of the point you're making but there are only two efficient ways that I know of to solve any problem for you're own benefit which are: 1, Acceptance: It is what it is and if you can't do anything about it then no point worrying about it, wasting energy on it or trying to change it, and if you truly accept it for what it is it shouldn't be a problem anymore. 2, Change: If it is something you have control over then take the action. No point continuing the "one day, some day, never" cycle.
You realize in this case, 2 is what i'm trying to get Riot to do in fixing their shit, and 1 i have done, i accept the community is garbage and that As a player i can't do anything, but i also understand that Riot as the company running the game CAN do something about it.
: I agree they should be looking at how to combat that. But ward range can be adjusted literally overnight. While altering the entire damage output of everyone and everything in the game, is a somewhat meatier task. Baby steps.
I mean half (or maybe even more since that's how far gone the damage is) every champions damage in the game, and buff/nerf accordingly from there. Not really a huge thing that requires a lot of time. Since you know, it's literally everything that will kill you in one shot with no counter-play from maybe mildly fed.
: What does everyone think about the range of placing wards?
"Damage creep is a very major issue" Maybe that's where riot should start instead of ward range.
: > [{quoted}](name=JasonWazza,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=LT0EcRVP,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-04T14:46:15.651+0000) > > Yeah because auto mute stops people trolling constantly and int feeding. By the sound of it you seem very bias against Riot and the system which I don't entirely blame you for but you are still here and I'm assuming still playing the game so it can't be that bad can it. Besides, it's one thing to find things to pick on and complain about all the time but it's another thing to focus on what you can control and improve in those areas, so really it's all about perspective.
"and I'm assuming still playing the game so it can't be that bad can it." Let's see quit for a year and a half because the community is god awful, came back because of TFT, which is already really shitty (as someone who did enjoy other Auto chess games) and burned me out within a week or so (and i got to plat in it, not like it was hard, just not worthwhile), and i play league yes, but about 50% of the time i'm not enjoying a game because of some asshole in the game ruining it, generally both in chat and in game. So yeah i'd say it's that bad, i like league, i don't like playing league with other people.
: That's one way to look at it. Some people auto mute and just enjoy playing the game.
Yeah because auto mute stops people trolling constantly and int feeding.
: If you think about it in comparison to some of the other issues in league of legends it's really not that big of a deal right? Yeah ok, it's annoying and shouldn't happen but all you can do is send a report with as many details as possible. That will go on the persons record and eventually something will get done if it continues and warrants action. If not, just try and talk to them like they are also human beings. Maybe they are having a bad day? Other than that it's the nature of the beast. You just gotta accept it.
"Maybe they are having a bad day" Everyone playing league is having a bad day, they have to deal with the community that is garbage to play a game they might actually enjoy otherwise.
: Casual Reminder that bans dont do shit.
And somehow, you can be like this and get to level 43, that's not a small amount of time, the issue is that Riot doesn't care enough to make their system actually work in a faster term, instant feedback my ass.
Lökí (OCE)
: Offensive Player Names.
So the issue here is how the system actually works. Assuming a name gets deemed offensive, all that will occur is a forced name change, they won't even check to make sure that the name changed to doesn't end up being just as offensive, got someone on my friends list that basically just changes from racist name to racist name with no repercussions, so why not just do it?
: WORST SERIES OF MATCHMAKING EVER
"But literally in the past week," School holidays man, stop playing and wait.
: /mute all exist bud
Because that makes it all better, even though riot themselves say that the mute function existing isn't a reason that you can be toxic.
: So apparently this behaviour is allowed... :/
Yeah that's the community, and hell isn't even that bad all things considered. But the Volunteers on here won't hear a word of it because they don't see it in their games apparently.
: Spamming the same or similar tickets to support can result in them being automatically closed. There are a few other things that can cause it, but that's the one I've heard of most often. You should always get an explanation in the last ticket before the start auto-closing if it's intentional.
"Spamming the same or similar tickets" Oh so what your saying is that if i was to say report people to support like i'm meant to according to you, each time i would have to in game (several in a day) they'd automatically get closed after a point?
: > We will never collect enough people to be heard properly on OCE, that's simply a sad truth. Destroyed by your own comment. Take a moment and think why that is.
Because the population on OCE isn't big enough for them to even care if 100% of us actually had an issue. But hey, be an idiot and think it's something else instead.
: I can't comment on anything that happens in the background or the system itself. All I know is what I have heard (which isn't much) and experienced (which is a lot) and neither of them are very positive. I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of issues which don't get much attention if any but again I'm not the person to know for sure. Besides this is just a forum and it's sole purpose is collect information and pass it onto the appropriate areas. You won't see anyone here who can make any real changes in game or client. If our experience is negative enough to actually warrant effort put in to making change we should be gathering other league players with similar experiences to get heard collectively, otherwise this is just smoke and mirrors.
We will never collect enough people to be heard properly on OCE, that's simply a sad truth. Riot barely gives a shit about NA, let alone all these smaller regions.
: Embrace the holiday seasons
'Tis the season to Troll
: > [{quoted}](name=Troll LoLoLoLoL,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=64GHjTUN,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-26T08:18:36.519+0000) > This time I have copped a 14 day ban for no reason. Post chat logs
THE KOA (OCE)
: Should this be acceptable? Is this bulling or 'Political Correctness'?
Welcome to OCE enjoy your stay, the popcorn is on your left.
: Lol yep. You got me on all counts on this one. well played sir or madam
"Depends what you mean by "looked at". Any report will trigger a review of the game and player in question by the automated system" I mean this is the issue though, this is a lie If you've ever played solo and been forcing to play with a toxic 4-man premade, you would know this is a flat out lie, i do this fairly often, amazingly last night i play with one friend, and a toxic 3-man premade gets insta-punished for the same sort of shit i report 4-man's for. Also he still hasn't explained why Key words can't be used for words that have no good context. EDIT: Oh another point. "There is one notification that sometimes appears, but it is extremely limited. Seeing it guarantees a punishment was issued, but not seeing it does not mean one wasn't." It means they weren't instantly banned for that specific game, as we know from prior stuff from riot on this, this is shown to the last reporters of a player (EG. the game they get banned, this gets shown to players who reported in that game.) Meaning the system is telling you that what they have said is ok enough to not trigger ANY punishment at all.
: No system is perfect, but the old system had more than it's fair share of issues. I think this comes down to, why don't you have confidence in the system anymore? Statistically speaking, the new system is more accurate, requires far less oversight, punishes more immediately, and is more effective at preventing repeat occurrences of negative behaviour than the old system was. *It's not perfect*, but there is a reason the new system stuck around.
I'm still waiting for a reply as to why keywords can't be used on words like Retard and kys, and what context they are allowable in.
: So you're telling me that i'm not considering the fact that people people fluently speaking in some asian language that translates perfectly to flame? Don't you think that is ridiculous?
Yes i do, but we just get told the same stuff on here, and have for years. Also i'm nearly certain that OCE banning system doesn't have other languages properly programmed in or taken from china etc. to ban in a similar state. But hey it's not like it's obvious why this happens, but people would rather be blind, and i bet if i said what the actual issue is, i'd get shit on by the normal boards population.
: Yeah you end out getting them as enemies/allies level one arams but you climb out of that pretty quickly
i mean... i'm not sure i'd say quickly, and it also depends, as there is often enough an actual player on the other team, so it depends on if your lucky enough to either be way better then them, or get the better champion. and as far as i could tell when i last did it (mind you this is also couple years back at this point) over 20 games and i still wasn't clear of the bots, since you know, even the bots can manage a 50% win rate.
: Why is OCE filled with so many South-East asians that ruin solo-queue games in Platinum/Diamond?
But they might not be Asian, did you ever consider that? Essentially the response you'll get on here man, nothing will be done, status quo will be protected.
: Agreement and disagreement
But they might not be Asian, did you ever consider that? Essentially the response you'll get on here man, nothing will be done, status quo will be protected.
: Hey hey, let’s backtrack for a sec here, you’ll notice I never said that’s what an Annie support ‘_should_’ do, or that they aren’t being toxic by doing it. But I did prove that you don’t have to be Chinese to show the behavior these Annies did. OP asked why it was happening, I just showed them the reasoning, and that any player could be capable of such actions, in an attempt to show it’s not necessarily some Chinese conspiracy. As for google translate, I can’t speak for you of course, but my phone camera reads my computer screen without a problem. But personally no, I don’t translate it myself, as our resident support who is a native speaker, translates for us. But most ‘Chinese’ we see is done in Roman characters anyway. And my friend can confirm that a decent chunk of it is just random words strung together. _(Some people even just type gibberish into the chat assuming people like you and I will assume it’s grammatically Chinese.)_ Even when it is real Chinese, it’s not hard to learn some of the swears, and most of the time (at least that I see) that’s all that’s ever said. Evidently playing with an actual Chinese person in the discord sheds a little more light on the real situation here. Instead of relying on assumptions.
"As for google translate, I can’t speak for you of course, but my phone camera reads my computer screen without a problem. But personally no, I don’t translate it myself, as our resident support who is a native speaker, translates for us." So in other words, when they are talking quickly, considering the multiple step process you'd have to go through (while at times still playing the game) is ridiculous for a non-Chinese person to do? Since this would require the following steps: Use of a camera phone to translate the Chinese on screen in google translate Alt-tabbing on the PC to then type a response to then be translated into Chinese and then copy pasted into the game. I don't know about you, but that sounds more like a conspiracy then the fact that there are Chinese players on the server that are pieces of shit. Also why is it every time this subject comes up, you are the one assuming that every Chinese person is the problem or that anyone actually believes that?
: There are two major misconceptions here, which I did my best to clear up when we chatted in client, but clearly it didn't take. 1. The system does not (and *cannot*) function on keywords. **[This post](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Ifb0rpEJ-riot-should-just-make-a-list-of-banned-words-and-how-not-to-be-condescending)** does a very good job of explaining why, and the basic principle by how the system *does* work. . 2. There is no single behaviour that *guarantees* escalation. There are behaviours that open that as an avenue for the system to use where it deems appropriate, as opposed to the less severe behaviours which will always follow the normal path. This was a misconception I have had in the past, and I have since clarified. It is also reflected in the FAQ you linked. Some other points that may be relevant here include: 1. "No history of punishment" is not the same as "no history of negativity". . 2. No two cases are the same. The system has an enormous wealth of background information that we as players do not (and will never) have access to about the players we report. If person A was punished differently from person B, *there is a reason for that*. . 3. Obfuscation is frustrating, but it is also necessary. As soon as you set a hard line and say "do not cross this", people will skirt the edge while being as toxic as possible. A rule like "Don't be a Jerk" is much easier to *follow* as well as moderate. It is subjective yes, but that is the purpose of chat restrictions, to pull people up when they are skirting too close to the *M-rated, public space* definition of "Jerk". I will not pretend to think you will ever agree, but I can do my best to clarify. Anything else will get off-topic fast, so I'm not going to say any more on this.
"The system does not (and cannot) function on keywords. This post does a very good job of explaining why, and the basic principle by how the system does work." I love this post, since it's a total shit show and it shows fairly early on why, lets have a quick look "And what if we branch out. In hypothethical game, we actually don't care about people that say's Pizza. It's OK, Pizza isn't inherently offensive to us. It's eating pizza that is the problem." So what your saying is that there is context that is ok for saying things like retard, kys, etc. Because if that's what your saying i'm all ears on this, it's almost like these words were determined to be context-less bad words. It's almost like this use of words that AREN'T offensive doesn't work when considering words that ARE offensive. But going back to your point, it CAN function on certain key words that aren't ok, like retard or kys, these are words that i would say are unacceptable regardless of context, but again, try and pose some context that makes these things ok to say, i will wait. "There is no single behaviour that guarantees escalation. There are behaviours that open that as an avenue for the system to use where it deems appropriate, as opposed to the less severe behaviours which will always follow the normal path. This was a misconception I have had in the past, and I have since clarified. It is also reflected in the FAQ you linked." Really? "We have a zero-tolerance policy for extreme negative behavior as well as extremely offensive language and remarks made in game towards other players.... this sort of behavior can result in skipping to a Two week or Permanent suspension." Seems like it's reflected in the FAQ i just linked that it's not clear at all. And i will point out KYS was one of those ones that at one time was considered "extremely offensive" " "No history of punishment" is not the same as "no history of negativity"." Irrelevant since neither history is relevant to this case, and your aware of this. "No two cases are the same. The system has an enormous wealth of background information that we as players do not (and will never) have access to about the players we report. If person A was punished differently from person B, there is a reason for that." Yes it has an enormous wealth of information, that would probably show this person as toxic, but regardless, what matters is that this person was allowed to say something, that if i said it as someone who doesn't really bother talking in league, i'd likely get a quick ban for, since if i do it outside a premade and get multiple reports, it's actually something that might happen. "Obfuscation is frustrating, but it is also necessary. As soon as you set a hard line and say "do not cross this", people will skirt the edge while being as toxic as possible." Amazingly this is the most stupid thing that you still propagate, and it's still stupid. Yes if you say don't say kys and have that be a ban, then that would be what the instant feedback system is for would it not? These systems wouldn't be mutually exclusive, but what do i know?
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: For one, racist chat is a real fast way to get escalated punishments. Gameplay punishments, particularly in cases where intent vs bad decision is harder to determine, can sometimes be slower to issue than chat punishments, but if they are exhibiting problematic behaviour it *will* be noticed. If he's being toxic in chat as well though, it's rather irrelevant. If it's more than a one-time thing, they're going to be facing hard bans pretty quickly either way.
Yeah it's real fast.... not like there are flaws at all.
: Both Yi and Jax have very high attack speed, and are great chasers. It's highly likely that red buff would have been a lot more useful on either of them than your ADC _(depending on who the ADC was)_, likely they made that judgement call and took it _(not a particularly friendly or polite call, but then again not everyone is friendly or polite are they?)_. Hogging buffs and not ganking is pretty standard behaviour for crappy Junglers, I don't see how that is 'Chinese specific' behaviour. ________________ Annie is a bursty mage with an easy to land CC ability. Those champions have become very very popular in bot lane this past season. Brand/Vel/Annie/Neeko etc. Annie has to use 4 spells to gain her stun. Her W costs 70 mana at rank one _(rather costly)_, and her E has a long cooldown, and is her only defensive ability. So neither spell is good to spam just to get the stun ready. Her Q however, refunds half of its mana, and ALL of its cooldown if it kills a minion. So if she takes minions she can get the stun up very quickly. And it's a long stun, definitely a game-changer in any lane, let alone a lane with an ADC to capitalise upon in. Many _(not all)_ ADCs would happily sacrifice some CS to have that targetable stun up a lot. _**That's why she's taking CS.**_ If Annie is taking CS in order to get her stun up, then she already has some gold income, making a support item less essential. The support item that Annie buys is Spelltheif's edge. Spelltheif's edge has a passive that slows gold generation if you kill minions. So if she is killing minions, she making her already less useful support item not work as effectively. Making it fairly redundant. I haven't done the maths, but It could well be more gold efficient for her to to just build damage instead, considering her strong early and mid game. _**That's why she's not buying support times.**_ Annie does a lot of damage. In the early and mid game, she almost certainly will be pumping out more damage than the ADC, even as a support, and her damage comes in large chunks. So it's highly likely that her large chunk of damage will secure the kill over the ADC's small but frequent chipping away. So the chances of getting the kill, are definitely in her favour. A good support (especially one taking farm) will stop attacking when the enemy is low, to let the ADC pick up the kill. But you don't always get that luxury in a fight. And if they are picking a bursty mage like Annie support, chances are they are just a butthurt midlaner that got autofilled anyway, so they're more than happy to just play 'mid' in bot lane. **_That's why she's taking kills._** As for why you've seen 3 Annies in 2 days, it could be any number of reasons. Perhaps a YouTuber or Pro-player made a play involving Annie support, and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Perhaps someone tried it and it did really well, and other people in that game decided to try it, and it branched out from there. Or perhaps it's just coincidence, Annie is a fairly well played champ, and taking her support isn't the most crazy thing in this meta. Seeing 3 Annies in bot lane over 2 days isn't that far-fetched. Theres probably hundreds of Annie supports every day, you just happened to find 3 of them. ___________________________ So I still fail to notice anything that is inherently 'Chinese' about this behaviour. It all seems pretty standard stuff. Plus your sample size is hilariously small, just 2 days? If you've been playing for 2 months and every single Annie support was spouting bucketloads of Kanji at everyone, then maybe you'd be forgiven for thinking theres a connection. But two days isn't enough time to give an accurate sample. As for the number of 'Chinese' people; let's say you play 3 games a day. Over two days thats 6 games. in each game there are 10 people, that's 60 people. The chances of 5 of those 60 people being Chinese, is not abnormal at all, in-fact considering NZ and Australia's large Chinese population, 5 out of 60 is actually a very small number. And even then there's no guarantee that these players are even Chinese, anyone can google translate a sentence. So from where i'm standing, it really doesn't seem like a _massive epidemic_. 5 out of 60 people is far from a mass exodus from China. So yes, it does look a little like picking unnecessarily on Chinese people. Considering everything here is relatively standard behaviour for your average inconsiderate player, and only 5 players in two days happened to be maybe Chinese.
"That's why she's taking CS. That's why she's not buying support times. That's why she's taking kills." This must be why that's what all Annie supports do all the time and it's not like higher MMR players would you know, build a support item... or not take kill's/CS. Yep, it's not being toxic at all. "And even then there's no guarantee that these players are even Chinese, anyone can google translate a sentence." Do you google translate sentences mid game all the time? Or hell reply to someone also speaking in chinese considering that most non-chinese have no way to get a sentence in game out of the game to translate both ways? Cause it's amazing, i as a non-chinese speaking player can't do that.
: Kinda, I played since S1 but had a long break after S4 because of internet problems. Only just started again like 2 months ago (properly). Atelast I know it is normal XD Back in myyyyyy day, bots were the issue. This is no better, in fact it is worse since I can't report them for being bad at the game/ not buying sup item/not ganking. Deleted coz I realised I should just edit this one lol
I mean bots are still an issue, and they won't ever be gone, they just tend to be stuck in super low MMR.
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