: Account bought from PA will be banned in a month or two when they do sweeping bans of botted accounts.
see youd be correct if the account im posting on now wasnt a bought account. This isnt my first rodeo with permabans. A name that more people would remember me by is yellowbrickroad top kek.
: Just a casual repost of: Just a casual reminder that permanently banning me doesnt work.
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: That is...entirely not what I said. I said to play games earlier in the day because they get less serious/focused *later* in the day. I.E I want my ranked games, especially my promos, to be serious. I said nothing about enjoyment at all. I also didn't claim that my experience was the same as everyone else's. Scripts was claiming that entering promos flicks a switch, I provided a singular data point of that not being the case. I never said my experience was the be all and end all, literally, all I said was, I didn't have that experience.
The implication of your statement was that your experience was the norm and he should try taking your attitude instead as clearly he is the problem here. Otherwise you wouldn't have said anything. The sheer act of disagreeing with his statement demonstrates a belief that he is false, then following it up with your own experience indicates that you believe your experience is the correct experience. My satirical quote of you was commentary on the fact that in all the years i have seen you posting this has been the general impression i received from you. Namely that you disregard anything negative towards riots systems and blame the user in question, notably because you seem to tunnel vision onto specific cases rather than taking a step back and realizing that 90% of this board are posts in this vein and if a community is so heavily dominated by one thought process maybe its not the people, maybe its the system itself. As for your statement about seriousness, you are correct that i read that wrong, but it doesnt change the fact that your suggestion is worthless in this scenario. He is talking about his promos specifically not his games in general. Ive previously done experiments related to time based queuing, winstreaks, lossstreaks etc etc. My conclusion after thousands of games across 3 different tiers of lp (and presumably mmr as a result) and different MONTHS (to add school holidays and in turn age into the results) was this. The more likely you are to play with younger players the more likely you are to lose. So to achieve a good winrate playing at ungodly hours when children wont be awake And or not playing during school holidays so that said children will be physically removed from their computers will drastically help in that cause. Further more after roughly 5 games of wins in a row you will see a gradual decrease in player performance, and i dont mean how you perceive the players around you as that is subject to bias, i mean in their stats, i find that after around 5 wins you will see a drop in average winrate of your team of about 4%, this number increases as you win more games till you eventually cannot carry anymore, and it takes roughly the same amount of time for the winrate to increase back to 50% as it did to devolve to the 30-20% mark. Similarly i found that in promos you see a roughly 5-10% drop in winrate of players on your team. I have seen in the last 5 years of playing and recording the winrates of all of my teams ONE team with a player above 50% winrate when i was in my promos, and they were balanced out by a 15% winrate player who was also on our team. The data does not agree with you.
RonyStark (OCE)
: I was in your situation back then, enough to make me consider LoL ranked game as russian roulette game as analogy: If you get good teammates, ggez, if you get bad teammates, badluck mate. Then I started using "/fullmute all" feature, I focus better in game. Just yesterday, I instructed unranked mid lux to not overextend her lane since enemy has lee sin and lux has no escape mechanism other than the snare skillshot. Then, she spam pinged me back in retaliation. Yeah I forgot to use fullmute at that ranked game. I was udyr jg. Eventually Leesin did gank her lane, but I counter-ganked that. Lux died, but I got doublekill by killing leesin and their midlaner. After that, Lux listened to me until enemy nexus exploded. Remember, Lux is unranked. Thats even worse than bronze as unrankeds have not much ranked game experience. I did not even type a word in the chat telling her to go back, just the spam ping. So, use fullmute, mate. You focus better You dont need to deal with your team "stfu" or tantrum-like chat You also dont need to deal with your team bronze bad pings You show example by action, as if saying to them "I know what I'm doing" Your team then listen to you since all your actions are done with good result Then ggez
: > senior manager at a big 4 firm. Senior branch manager at one of the 4 major banks enterprise in australia. Although there is no proof. But this is the internet. You're whatever you want to be man. > One of the most important rules when it comes to staff is to give them accurate and concise feedback, **no sugar coating, if you want them to improve** they have to know EXACTLY what they are doing wrong and how to fix it, you then guide them on how to go about implementing said fixes. Partially correct. So why cant you apply it in game? I find the contradiction unmatch. You dont start off with: Dude, you are such a shitty person and this is how you should fix yourself, **so i dont find you annoying**. You think your words are made of gold and everyone should line up to partake? Here is the reality, unless you pay their wage, then GIVE RESPECT IF YOU WANT TO RECIEVE IT. Especially IN AN ONLINE GAME. > Because people actually care about succeeding, if you do well in a big 4 and prove yourself, you can work pretty much anywhere in corporate, worlds your oyster, so **if your superior says something you listen**. Here is the thing though and i dont know if your head is in the cloud but. You're a bronze 3 argueing with other bronze 3 that YOU KNOW BETTER. > Call them out on their bullshit, and when they respond by arguing back, just switch off, weve already lost, they exist in our game, they are going to throw, why should i stress myself out trying to carry their boosted ass, and thats when i start talking to them, keeping in mind i ended that game with the best kda on my team and the player i was arguing with was 2/8, this was literally a case of "if he dropped the go and listened wed have won" Then they will called you out on your BS, but since you are such an offensively geared person. You'll look pass yourself and attack them. It doesnt matter what KDA you have or what advice you think is best. As soon as you start it off with anger, the people with your type of personality will respond back to you in kind. Especially if you're just a nameless TEXT, yelling at them. Do you understand the different interaction between someone who is scare of you, from someone who respect you??? The person whose on the timid side, will falsely agree with you to let the matter drop. While someone with your type of personality will MOST LIKELY fight back. As for those who respect you, they will listen to you, because they think you want the best for them. So what leason can we extract here? I think you would hate interacting with people similar to yourself. > If an adult told me i hurt their feelings, id tell them to suck it up, it goes both ways. If your response is to shut down and stop functioning when someone criticizes you, you wont get very far in life. And i mean that, i used to think that way, its no surprise that when i thought that way i was unemployed a coach potato and blamed the world for all my problems. Your men will hate you and any chance they get, they will torn you down from your high horse. You want to have a hostile work place. Good, very good. But know this. No one will back you up at the end of the day. They'll probably go home and wish you dead, so they dont have to deal with you tomorrow. People have different temperaments, and IF YOU THINK, ONE SHOE SIZE FIT ALL, is the right moto. Then you havent learn anything that equate wisdom. > Which again comes down to "People are shitty, dont expect them to not be shitty, You will only disappoint yourself" The ways your thought process is layout. I find it really hard to believe that you are what you claimed to be. How do i say this...Low IQs one dimensional thinking.
"Senior branch manager at one of the 4 major banks enterprise in australia. Although there is no proof. But this is the internet. You're whatever you want to be man." This proves you dont know what a big 4 is, the 4 major banks are my CLIENTS, i tell them how to fix their shit. Among other companies of course. "Partially correct. So why cant you apply it in game? I find the contradiction unmatch. You dont start off with: Dude, you are such a shitty person and this is how you should fix yourself, so i dont find you annoying." I do apply it in game, remember when i said i spam pinged everyone? that was me attempting to direct them while im still focused on the game, the aggressive start is because i just spent the last 15 minutes doing the equivalent of aggressively gesturing between one person and an object while they stand there shrugging over and over instead of A. Doing it. or B. Asking what i mean. "Here is the thing though and i dont know if your head is in the cloud but. You're a bronze 3 argueing with other bronze 3 that YOU KNOW BETTER." except im not bronze 3. its start of season im lower than im meant to be lol. I ended last season silver 1, im a borderline gold player. not quite there, im not even going to claim im gold, but i could 100% hit gold this season if i keep up my rate of improvement from last season. You just have the same mentality of the majority of these players "well youre in the same elo as me right NOW so you must be just as good as me" because they dont understand elo isnt static, it goes up and down, and there is a grind involved, you dont shoot straight through an elo unless youre MILES ahead of them, id 100% believe that faker would shoot through bronze in under a day, but in a world where faker can get rekt by a gold 4 brand in the 1v1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxdMA6XFaA) dont try and pretend that low elo players cant just luck their way to a win against a higher elo player, that and with the MASSIVE reliance on all 5 members of a team succeeding ever since season 6 its now harder than ever to carry a shitty player to the win. Like to put into perspective the skill difference between me and the elo im in, my literal first game of new kayle was a 1v5 penta (ended up a quadra because one of the players came and stole the last kill) i only had an hour of practice in the practice tool before hand to get used to her animations and try out builds. Akali who currently has a 39% winrate and is objectively one of the weakest champs in the game? ive had a positive winrate with her ALL SEASON, never went below 50, and thats with over 100 games. Or hey lets use warding for example, when i buy a control ward in mid guess where it goes? enemy jungle, or the river bush closest to my nexus but right at the edge so it can see into the river (not the pixel bush in the center of it) you know, actually good ward placement. Hell i know what a slow push is, and can pretty consistently freeze my lane during lane phase, like if you actually watch a replay of my games i normally have a 10-20 cs lead on my lane opponent with the lane right infront of my tower while constantly threatening an all in if they try to farm, good lane control. Like theres a reason i almost always win lane in this elo, there are a handful of cases where i dont, but those are players that i expect to not be in this elo for very long, because they are just like me, "stuck" (stuck as in moving through tar, were still moving up, we have positive winrates, its just hella fucking slow) where they dont belong. Infact if a player can legitimately beat me in a 1v1 you know what i do? i duo with them and every player ive ever duo'd with ive managed to get them out of bronze literally every single one. Or hey lets use the pièce de résistance, when you one trick akali so well that the enemy player on the team, literally named "akali is life" Exclaims in all chat "fuck this %%%%s pretty much professor akali" (i spend so much time in the practice tool that i find alot of the mechanics he shares before he makes videos on them, so it ends up looking like i learned them instantly after he shares them, gets some good reactions from those in the know #revertakali) then opens mid to let you win then adds you after the game to ask for advice. there might be a bit of a skill gap i dunno, just a smidge. Anyway, rant about how "rank doesn't determine skill level" aside lets continue "Then they will called you out on your BS, but since you are such an offensively geared person. You'll look pass yourself and attack them." If the person calling me out is actually better than me, or atleast equal, ill listen, some people say they will listen, then theres me, for example lets use that one time i tried coaching, where i had a 10 minute session where we reviewed one game vod, and the main takeaway was "Mechanically youre quite good but your decision making is lacking you should stop relying on your reaction speed and start trying to predict what your opponent will do" i didnt say "oh yep that makes sense" i took that to my core and spent half a season not playing akali and just played tryndamere and other low skill bs to learn macro. it got to the point where i can confidently pickup any champion in the game right now, and first time them not knowing their mechanics at all, and i could still win the game, assuming my team doesnt throw it faster than we win ofc. So yeah, you could say i actually do take advice when its warranted. "Your men will hate you and any chance they get, they will torn you down from your high horse. You want to have a hostile work place." I dont have a hostile workplace though, did you miss the part where i always get invited out by the team for drinks? like always, they fucking love me, And heres why, because im genuinely a nice person, i will literally lay into you if A. you deserve it, aka you fucked up royally, and B. if you act like you didnt fuck up. Like your attitude towards constructive criticism just makes me sad for the current state of humanity, no wonder were so far in the shitter. "The ways your thought process is layout. I find it really hard to believe that you are what you claimed to be. How do i say this...Low IQs one dimensional thinking." This one made me laugh. Two things, being jaded is a pretty common quality of someone with a higher intelligence, purely because jaded quite literally means, to not see through a filter of emotion, to see things as they truly are, and it comes from being worn down to the point where you stop trying to see the small positives and just see it as it is. And its a double edged sword because yes, it does reduce the amount of enjoyment from life, but it also reduces the level of disappointment in general because if you don't convince yourself that things are better than they actually are then everything is just as you expect it to be. And secondly, and this is why i found this comment hilarious. One of my favorite quotes, from Stephen Hawking, alot of people know it, but doesn't change the fact that its pretty accurate is this “People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.” You want to know why? because I.Q isn't a measurement of intelligence, its a measurement of a subset of skills, namely logic, memory and spatial awareness. Judging someones worth on their I.Q is about as valid as judging someones worth on their ability to solve a Rubik's cube, because they have the exactly the same skill-sets used. Ironically enough ive find in my years that people who put said value to such an insignificant number, tend to be very unintelligent. Like i dont like talking about my iq, so ill just say im a mensa member that should say enough, and holy shit most people in mensa are bloody stupid, its literally a club for people to circlejerk themselves about their iq because they have nothing else going on in their life. The actual intelligent people in my life, are quite simply the people who give enough of a shit to actually attempt to learn, because someone who can barely read but cares enough about science that they struggle their way through a physics textbook is going to be smarter than the guy with 200iq that never touched an academic medium in his life. On that note aswell, im talking intelligence in the academic form, there are multiple forms of intelligence, so its not fair to say someone who isnt adept in say math isnt intelligent, take my mother, so bad at math she needs to count on her fingers bless her soul, but shes an award winning artist and runs her own business, so yeah, shes kinda smart. tl;dr putting value into IQ tells me enough about how smart you actually are.
: Last promos I had a solid 50/50. One was a very positive game and we dominated. One was positive but the enemy was just better. One had two toxics who just went off at each other. It was the game after my promos that was a real shitshow. *When* those type of games happen is ultimately just luck, there will always be assholes either intentionally or lacking in self-control. My recommendation is to play promos in the morning or middle of the day-ish. Games seem to get less serious/focused the later it gets.
Why would you want your game to be less serious in ranked? Thats... the opposite to how to win. Wait did you think op is complaining because he didnt enjoy playing his promos? Because yeah i guess enjoyment would be a byproduct, but ultimately he just wants to WIN his promos so he can keep climbing. Also just because i love every moment i get to call you out on your bullshit. "It didnt happen to me so it must be a you problem because the world revolves around me and i AM the community, doesnt matter what the community actually says happens" - Seras
: > Hell i wouldn't be surprised if theres a direct **correlation between the victims age and how toxic the aggressor is** because i find young children to be more likely to just talk back and** try to argue than accept they fucked up and apologize for it**, which in 90% of cases will immediately disarm the toxic player. 1st of all. if you were to talk to adults behaving the way you did, you think they will quitely listen to you? Who are you to them? a nobody, they dont own you anything. This isnt about age, or rank. You have a short temper. You actually dont know how to let petty words go by. If you get agitated this easily, then hell; If i'm your boss, i would never entrust you with any big responsibility. You dont have the forbearance to manage situations. Is this the character you want to be?? Easily taunt, easily frustrated, lacking the capacity to endures. > Punishing people for Being extremely frustrated, only causes more frustration which continues the cycle of toxicity. 2nd of all. Anyone who value time and memories playing on their account, will be more likely to correct their behavior. > I know it definitely works for me, like if i tell someone they are shit and tell them why i said that, and they just respond with "Sorry ill try better" you know how i respond to that? "Wow i actually wasnt expecting that, ok heres what you can do to do better" conversation over. You obviously lack the social skills to direct or manage staff members. That is not how you talk to people man. You offer contrucstive critism, or words of encouragement, all the while tell them there are certain aspects that could be improve on. You are not helping the situation at all, you're just creating conflict. What you want is: A bunch of sheeps and you, their shepherd. If people dont respect you, they wont listen to you. After all, you dont pay them anything. Even if they are under your employment, the people you abuse that will stay; Are either desperate, or want to learn from you.
"You obviously lack the social skills to direct or manage staff members." Lol im a senior manager at a big 4 firm (if you dont know what a big 4 is then you havnt delved much further than retail when it comes to professions) my job is quite literally managing staff. One of the most important rules when it comes to staff is to give them accurate and concise feedback, no sugar coating, if you want them to improve they have to know EXACTLY what they are doing wrong and how to fix it, you then guide them on how to go about implementing said fixes. If a staff member reacted the way these kids do and just started chucking a tantrum when i tell them they fucked up you know what id do? id fire them, on the spot, we dont need that kind of person dragging us down, Which sounds harsh but thankfully i dont have to fire people often at all, maybe once or twice a year, but you want to know why that is? Because people actually care about succeeding, if you do well in a big 4 and prove yourself, you can work pretty much anywhere in corporate, worlds your oyster, so if your superior says something you listen. I cant fire my teammates i have to put up with them, that doesnt go down well when my goal is to get home from work where ive spent all day managing people and oh look the game i wanted to play to wind down, im STILL managing people. Makes you blow a fuse eventually. That and i absolutely HATE being judged personally based on the people around me, I am ME, i am not the group im in, take work for example, if im pulling a 150 kpi and everyone around me is scrapping by on an 80 its not my arse on the line (if my kpi is high its implied my teams kpi is high too, and if it isnt i step in and tell them how to fix their work WHILE they are doing it, real time constant feedback, does wonders, my teams happy, im happy, and we all hit the pub after work because im not "That boss") in league however i AM judged based on how my team performs. Lets use an example from my match history 5 days ago, 12/8/10 akali, 81% kill participation, 6.1cs per minute (low but very good for my elo) tied for second highest vision score, most damage done by about 5k, 20k ahead of most of our team, twice as much gold as everyone on my team but renekton. Lets check the timeline kat kills me twice, oof im getting recked in lane. I kill kat Nasus kills me AND vayne, interesting im mid nasus is jg and vayne was the adc, this is 9 minutes into the game, youl see a pattern here soon. kat kills me still getting rekt i was having a bad game and the kat was pretty good not gonna lie, and... vayne wait what? and... vayne again just 1 minute later? Wait hold on vayne died at 9 minutes in my lane, then at 10 minutes in my lane, then at 11 minutes in my lane? hmmmmm. vayne dies to kat again at 13 minutes. Keeping in mind at this point in the game im 1/5 and vaynes ran it down mid 4 times, so im fuming. Now im sure youve noticed that i said i ended the game 12/8 and im already 1/5 so clearly i pop the fuck off at some point. lets continue kat kills me again 1/6 and... vayne dies... at the same time again. I kill kat (ooft shutdown gold im back in the game) i kill blitz (roamed mid because vaynes inting) Vayne dies... To the thresh adc... and... i almost immediately after kill said thresh adc... its 16 minutes ok vayne is still running it down mid. i kill blitz im now 5/6 Darius kills me and renekton kha kills kat and darius, ok teamfight/skirmish, makes sense. i kill kat and blitz, im now at 7/7 I kill kat again then the thresh adc then darius, 10/7 I die to the nasus at the same time as kha, renekton kills nasus another teamfight clearly. I kill darius, and nasus we lose Did you notice the pattern there? like... maybe there was a particular player that... may have possibly died alot very quickly, and didnt contribue anything to the team? mightve gone 3/12/1 into a thresh + blitz lane while their support was 2/6/17, name might start with V. When quite literally a single player can single handedly throw a game (i ended the game much stronger than kat despite my early game vs her) there is no room for people to argue whether or not they fucked up, you just dont fuck up period. "If people dont respect you, they wont listen to you." Very true, which is why when you know better than them you basically have two choices. Dont say anything and lose the game because they are fucking up so badly that they will single handedly lose the game. Or Call them out on their bullshit, and when they respond by arguing back, just switch off, weve already lost, they exist in our game, they are going to throw, why should i stress myself out trying to carry their boosted ass, and thats when i start talking to them, keeping in mind i ended that game with the best kda on my team and the player i was arguing with was 2/8, this was literally a case of "if he dropped the go and listened wed have won" Notice theres no option where we win the game there? thats because 1 its a shitty player so weve already lost, if they werent so shit they were losing us the game id have nothing to say and in turn i wouldn't talk to them, and 2 nine times out of ten its a child, yes anything under 18 is a fucking child, they dont have the concept of respect yet, they still think the world revolves around them, and if they are playing bad its someone elses fault not them, or they are having a bad game, or the enemy team is hacking, or the enemy are smurfing, its never them. So when you call them out they flip their fucking shit. Those are actual toxic players. And those are the players that i am "Toxic" to, Like without a doubt, if you managed to track down every single last victim of my verbal assaults over the years, every single last one of them will have a sub 50% winrate, and would have been underage at the time i verbally berated them, ill bet literally any money on that. "1st of all. if you were to talk to adults behaving the way you did, you think they will quitely listen to you? Who are you to them? a nobody, they dont own you anything." If an adult told me i hurt their feelings, id tell them to suck it up, it goes both ways. If your response is to shut down and stop functioning when someone criticizes you, you wont get very far in life. And i mean that, i used to think that way, its no surprise that when i thought that way i was unemployed a coach potato and blamed the world for all my problems. You know what i did? i got jaded, i stopped expecting everyone around me to step on eggshells and stopped giving a shit, took all the feeling out of success and left it with just "did i succeed? yes? good, no? try harder" and guess what life is infinitely better. Which again comes down to "People are shitty, dont expect them to not be shitty, You will only disappoint yourself"
: Man, look at you. Look at how you are behaving. You want to be a real man? When you get punished for your wrong doing. STFU and reflect on it.
I have nothing to reflect on. See the section where banning me doesn't remove anything of value from my life as i can just get a new account and it resets my mmr which takes weeks of grind off my ranked grind. This isnt a rage post about me being banned, its a rage post about how riot still doesnt understand why people are toxic and its just really sad to see that they drop all this money into it trying to figure it out with fancy ai solutions and stuff when the answer is basically just "Humans are shitty people, minimize the chances that they will get pissed off at each other" Weve had literal wars over stuff simpler than what goes on in these games, its HILARIOUS that they still think this is an issue localized to a minority of people and not an issue of human nature in and of itself. Because ill tell you what a toxic person actually is. Its someone whos hit their breaking point and no longer cares, thats all it is. You get the occasional ACTUALLY toxic person, aka trolls. But the vast majority of people are not actually shitty people, they are normal people pushed to their absolute limit. No ones a saint, everyone has the same thoughts we do "fuck this guys an idiot" everyone has a breaking point where they let those thoughts spill into the chat, the breaking point slides. Punishing people for Being extremely frustrated, only causes more frustration which continues the cycle of toxicity. Which Just brings me back to the main part of this post, stop trying to bandaid fix toxicity, they have enough data to know theres a direct correlation between mmr differences between the two parties involved in toxicity and how severe that toxicity gets. Hell i wouldn't be surprised if theres a direct correlation between the victims age and how toxic the aggressor is because i find young children to be more likely to just talk back and try to argue than accept they fucked up and apologize for it, which in 90% of cases will immediately disarm the toxic player. I know it definitely works for me, like if i tell someone they are shit and tell them why i said that, and they just respond with "Sorry ill try better" you know how i respond to that? "Wow i actually wasnt expecting that, ok heres what you can do to do better" conversation over. Its not till someone else decides to not just push your buttons but start rolling their fucking dick all over them while doing the whole "neener neener neener" bullshit, that i blow my shit. Which btw the reason my chat log STARTS with me blowing my shit? is because i dont have anything to say in most games, i ping alot, and the ferocity of my pings hits really bad levels before i hit chat, because lets be real, if you spam ping someone, then spam ping a tower, it should be pretty implied what youre saying.
Rioter Comments
: Riot don't actually care about banning the actual troublesome players. If they did, then they'd have a zero tolerance policy like other games do, and these trolls and inters would get permabanned. Unfortunately, permabanned players generate no income for Riot, which is all they really care about.
Not rocket science dont get why so many people still dont get this.
: > Ironically enough, yes i did queue those 3 games expecting to lose. Intention, not expectation. Not taking those games seriously just because you were autofilled, does that not make you one of the "100% objectively assholes" you are complaining about? > Hence the requirement for id verification And if you don't have or can't afford a form of ID? Passports, licences, proof of age cards; none are free, and not everyone has reason to have one. This game is rated M or 13+ depending on where you are, so again, you are denying a significant portion of players not because of their behaviour, but because of their age or circumstances. >if it means i always get a good game without any shitters It wouldn't though. That's the point. You as a Silver 4 would be versing Diamonds and Iron 4s, a scenario you yourself have expressed is not fun for you on either side.
And ironically enough i dont want to play with 13 year olds, i make it a point to only play at ungodly hours of the night or during school days if i have a day off work, specifically to avoid those immature pieces of shit. Because i dont know if youve ever actually experienced low elo during school holidays, but it is actual hell.
: >hurting one players feelings You think your chat, to the extent you are using it, is affecting only one player? Sorry but no. Whether it's directed at those 3 other players or not, they still have to sit through it. If they mute it, they still have to sit through you not playing the game because you are spending all your time typing, and playing worse when you are because you are distracted. They still have to sit through the player you have targeted getting tilted and not playing as well as they could, an effect that is only compounded if they have recent bad games. Not to mention, that "it's just one player" does not in any way justify your blatantly aggressive and toxic use of chat. >not the same as destroying the ingame experience of 9 players at once for half an hour plus just because you chucked a temper tantrum So you are allowed to chuck temper tantrums over someone's winrate and abuse them, but they aren't allowed to chuck a tantrum at you? Seems rather hypocritical. You don't get special treatment, so why are you expecting it? >And quite honestly i find it really sad that you value your chat experience greater than your gameplay experience In ranked, a toxic player will tilt me much faster than someone playing badly. In normals, I'm there to have fun, and winning isn't the only end goal, so if someone is being an ass literally from *the start of champion select*, that experience is going to be ruined. So yes, I highly value my chat experience. >more importantly the mute/block functions exist The mute feature existing is not a free pass for you to spout your diatribes in chat. That's like saying it's ok to steal as long as you don't get caught, that's just not how it works. >that fact alone makes gameplay based offences worse than chat offences Funnily enough gameplay offences are punished more harshly than chat ones. You don't get the luxury of two chat restriction warnings for gameplay offences, you jump straight to a 14 day ban. I'm not arguing that gameplay offences aren't bad, that was never on the table. What I'm saying is that someone inting does not excuse you to insult them from *champ select*, and since you can't int in champion select (when you started hurling abuse) you kind of destroyed your own reasoning. >I actually get along REALLY WELL with those types of people, because hey would you look at that, when i have no trigger im actually really really nice. So any and all faults in your behaviour are caused by other people? That's rather naive. You have self control, use it. If you struggle to, strengthen it or find ways to support it. You aren't 5 years old anymore, you can think for yourself and shouldn't be having such a strong negative reaction to the slightest thing not going your way. Do you hurl abuse at your parents/roommates/partner when you don't have milk for your cereal? >Like at the end of the day, the reason i blow up at them, is they are 100%, objectively assholes. Again, you seem to misunderstand objectivity. Objectivity isn't when you are 100% set in your opinion of something, it's when there is only one logical and factually accurate conclusion to draw from a circumstance. People have bad games. Saying they are all assholes because they chose to wake up in the morning is not an objective assessment, it is a heavily biased one, influenced strongly by your own opinions and perspective of the game, and therefore **subjective**. You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not mean everyone else is required to share it, nor does it mean your word is law and you suddenly make the rules. Your whole example thought process describes...basically no-one. There are people who are unbelievably stubborn (somewhat like yourself), who will refuse to take a break and continue to play when tilted, but they are still trying to win. There are people who have come off some good games but something just isn't going right and they lose their focus, but they are still trying to win. There are those who aren't that great at the game, but 'good' is relative and they will be matched against other people of their skill, they are still trying to win. Are you saying you've never had a bad game? https://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/226333728/202476373?tab=overview https://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/226265617/202476373?tab=overview https://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/226265617/202476373?tab=overview Did you queue up with the intention of losing those games? >avoid as teammate exists in overwatch Because Overwatch can and will dump you into a higher ping server if it can't find a good match for you close by. >And i have suggested for years now, a opt in queue, that you have to pay for like a season pass, just for ranked. Good luck versing the same few 100 people, you'll be challenger in no time with a population that small, if you can ever find a game. Not to mention there are people for whom money is no object who can and would join that queue for the sole purpose of screwing you over, and with such a limited population they would make up a _much_ higher percentage than they do now. >people who arent willing to spend the $15 a month clearly dont care about ranked in the first place Where does this logic even come from? Not everyone can *afford* $15 a month for a luxury, it has nothing to do with how much they care. That's the whole appeal of a free to play game, you can support the game to your means, and are under no obligations to do any more. You're alienating a substantial percentage of the population with a statement like that. >they are the exact people such a queue is meant to screen out So...poor people? You said it yourself, the chat experience in Overwatch has the same pitfalls that League does, and yet Overwatch has a price tag attached. You literally have to pay to be an asshole, and if your account gets banned, you have to pay again to continue playing and/or being an asshole, *and yet people do*. A paywall doesn't screen out the toxic players (whatever brand of toxic that may be), it only screens out the ones who can't afford the luxury of *playing a video game*. I'll quote myself here: "At the end of the day, you have an agreement with Riot that you will adhere to their community guidelines or face consequence and eventually removal. Whether you agree with the principle or the nature of the punishment or not, you agreed to follow those rules."
Ironically enough, yes i did queue those 3 games expecting to lose. All 3 of those games i was autofilled. I dont take autofill seriously because its an abhorrent system that hasnt even remotely done what it was intended to do (reduce queue times) in any elo other than the highest of tiers. I still try to win ofc, i just dont put any effort into it, i try out whacky troll builds, i watch a tv show while i play, in general my attitude is "i really dont care if we win or lose i just want the game over fast so i can stop torturing myself by watching people butcher my main lanes" Before autofill came in queue times in my elo were 5-10 minutes, after autofill came in... queue times were 5-10 minutes but now games were worse due to either havin autofilled teammates or being autofilled yourself. Consider those games active protest. "money is no object" Hence the requirement for id verification, if they are willing to literally get a fake id that can pass id verification services just to troll ranked, then i wont stop them. And as for the fighting only the same 100 people, if im completely honest, if it means i always get a good game without any shitters, id take that over what i have right now.
: >because that kind of childish reaction to mere words implies a cognitive dissonance that allows them to ignore the other 8 players in the game and throw them under the bus to piss off one person that they dont like, and also implies that they will repeat that behavior again. I think perhaps, you should take a long look at the mirror. Of course I agree that intentional feeders should be punished swiftly and harshly, but that doesn't excuse your own behaviour. If nothing else, those 'mere words' are entirely unnecessary and accomplish nothing. If nothing else, you agreed not to use chat like this when you signed up to play the game. >Gameplay based offences > Chat based offenses objectively. Not objectively. There are more defences against chat, but frankly I'm much more bothered by someone spouting racist bs in chat than I am by someone intentionally feeding. That's my personal perspective, and obviously you don't share it, but such is the nature of subjectivity. >Im not toxic, i just dont sugar coat anything The very first words from your keyboard were brutally negative. Right from the very start of champion select you are throwing your team under the bus and basically guaranteeing your loss. Not doing that isn't sugar coating, it's not being an asshole. It works in your favour as much as your teams. >Oh ofc you cant understand why someone would be toxic when faced with a constant barrage of shitty players in their ranked games That doesn't sound like much fun for anyone involved. Perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for playing the game. If you hate ranked so much, don't play it. If chat bothers you, mute all, unbind your enter and drag chat off screen. If you hate people's stats from champ select, dodge it. If you don't like the way people are playing, even afking is a better recourse than the one you are taking. At the end of the day, you have an agreement with Riot that you will adhere to their community guidelines or face consequence and eventually removal. Whether you agree with the principle or the nature of the punishment or not, you agreed to follow those rules.
Look in the mirror? sorry but hurting one players feelings, is not the same as destroying the ingame experience of 9 players at once for half an hour plus just because you chucked a temper tantrum at the person who was mean to you. And quite honestly i find it really sad that you value your chat experience greater than your gameplay experience, this isnt an IRC, this isnt discord, the primary experience is not the chat, and more importantly the mute/block functions exist, if you really REALLY dont like how a play treats you, you can block them and you will never see their chat again for as long as your account exists. You cant do that with people who make your gameplay experience worse, there is no "avoid player in queue" option, and that fact alone makes gameplay based offences worse than chat offences, and thats ignoring the fact that again, league is not an IRC client its a video game, the main experience IS the gameplay, the chat is just a supplementary addon function that can be removed without detracting from the gameplay experience, meanwhile if you mess with the gameplay the entire experience becomes shit. And before you say "avoid player in queue would be unhealthy for the game" avoid as teammate exists in overwatch, and... games not dead guess it works, the chat experience is still shit dont get me wrong, but as ive already made my case above, the chat experience should not be how you are basing your opinion of a video game, since the chat is an optional feature. I dont hate ranked. I hate the people that play ranked. The percentage of players in my elo that actually take the game seriously is so infinitesimally small that when i do meet another player who actually cares about winning and doesnt just excuse bad play with "its just a game" i immediately friend request them and jump into discord with them. I actually get along REALLY WELL with those types of people, because hey would you look at that, when i have no trigger im actually really really nice. But when you come into my game, and play like absolute shit, throw myself and the other 8 players under the bus by doing it i wont take kindly to that. I say 8 instead of 3 because people like me care when the enemy team is shit too, i dont want the game to be a stomp, i want a perfectly even matchmaking experience where if i win i won due to outskilling my opponent fairly, not because one of their players was a trashlord. Like at the end of the day, the reason i blow up at them, is they are 100%, objectively assholes. heres the logical process that goes through their head. "im really bad at the game, and i dont really care about winning enough to improve at the game, infact i really just play for fun so which queue should i choose" Ranked Normals draft "I mean they are the exact same queue... the only difference is if i pick ranked then ill be ruining the competitive experience of the other 9 people in the game, and if i pick normals draft ill be match with other likeminded people who just play to have fun..." Picks ranked "you know what fuck those other 9 people lol" So i chew them the fuck out. Like i would any asshole. And Before you say "well maybe just dont play ranked then" no, i ONLY play ranked, for a damn good reason, because i dont play purely to have fun, i play to satiate my competitive desire in a fun to play method, normals doesnt do that for me. And i have suggested for years now, a opt in queue, that you have to pay for like a season pass, just for ranked. You buy your $15 a month ranked+ pass, you only get queued with other people who spent the $15 a month. And your credit card/paypal etc can only have 1 ranked pass so no smurfing, no trolling (you get banned youre done) etc etc. A Utopia queue if you will. Because i guarantee you, theres a market for it. And you could argue "reee but then people will miss out on that exclusive ranked" thats the point, people who arent willing to spend the $15 a month clearly dont care about ranked in the first place so they are the exact people such a queue is meant to screen out.
: I don't get why you're so toxic... calling other people trash when you have almost 1200 games played and are Silver 5. What were you trying to prove with this post? That you're chat restriction should have been a ban because you called someone retarded? Whatever the reason, good luck on your future perma-ban, because if you continue like this it's only a matter of time.
Tbh i disagree that i deserve a perma ban. On the other hand the person who reacted to me calling them shit by inting SHOULD get a perma ban, because that kind of childish reaction to mere words implies a cognitive dissonance that allows them to ignore the other 8 players in the game and throw them under the bus to piss off one person that they dont like, and also implies that they will repeat that behavior again. Gameplay based offences > Chat based offenses objectively. And as for why im so toxic, its right in the chat log "if you play like shit ill call you shit" Im not toxic, i just dont sugar coat anything and pretend people are better than they are to protect their feelings. But hey what do I know, i deal with shit like this every day in the most cess pool elo of all the elo's cant possibly be that ive tried being the really positive guy and saw absolutely no difference so just ended up jaded and not giving a shit. Oh ofc you cant understand why someone would be toxic when faced with a constant barrage of shitty players in their ranked games, you dont even play ranked (no playing a few games here and there to maintain your rank doesnt count)
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: Well that distinction rather changes your argument doesn't it? To clarify, your original post and following comments very much came off as "if I had good personal stats, even if I didn't contribute all that much to the team, I should be better off", which invalidates teamwork as a skill. Individual contribution to the team and therefore to the win is rather different, and also significantly harder to measure, so we're kind of back where we started there. Nightjar said pretty much anything I would say already so I'll point you to their comment. Winning or losing in matches of even skill is largely determined by the team's ability to adapt, a wholly qualitative factor and one that statistics can't accurately represent.
It doesnt actually change my argument at all. You just never understood the argument in the first place. The viewpoint you are now approaching it as with the whole "individual contribution" swap is how you shouldve been approaching it from the beginning because thats what i meant from the beginning. The issue is you think contribution cant be objectively measured when in reality it can. Vision score. Objective damage. Damage per gold. Where did you get your kills (roam dominance) How much damage to towers did you do via baron buff minions that you were present for. Etc etc. The vast majority of stuff in this game that actually matters to winning and losing is measurable. The only thing you cant measure is a few outlier cases where you do something so completely out of the norm to win a game that it would be literally impossible to model (for example lets say you literally run in 1v5 into the enemy team and suicide in order to secure a baron by distracting them, but even in that example you can measure it in abstract ways like "what objectives were taken around the time of your death, etc etc") There is quite literally a way to measure and quantize contribution since contribution is a tangible thing.
: That's kind of the point. MMR is a metric of overall skill, teamwork is one of those skills. You can be good at everything else, and shit at team play, and will suffer for it. Begin bad at everything includes being bad at teamwork yes. But being good at individual factors doesn't automatically mean you are good at teamwork, therefore using individual skill as an indicator of team skill is deeply flawed and would produce wildly inaccurate results.
The issue is that individual skill mmr wouldn't invalidate teamplay skill. It just wouldn't completely ignore individual skill period. In an individual mmr system your would still only gain mmr for a win, and would still only lose mmr on a loss. All it would do it change the mmr you gain or lose based on how much you actually contributed to the team. If you were quite literally 1v9ing dragging 4 absolute bonobos along, its relatively unfair that they should gain the exact same and in some cases even more mmr than you (due to the way mmr works currently if you get paired with a legitimately worse player than you chances are they are also lower mmr than you, so if you carry them to a win due to their mmr being lower than the average mmr of the match their mmr point gain will be higher) And on the flip side, if you play like you just drank 3 litres of bleach and only have 5 remaining brain cells, its unfair on the other 4 members of the team that you should gain the same mmr as them or again in some cases more mmr than them. And the same argument works for losses just flip the polarity. I guess change the wording from "individual skill" To "individual contribution" seeing as you keep getting stuck on the individual skill part as if it means "mechanics and kda"
: Because teamwork is just as important a skill in a 5v5 PvP game as mechanics, positioning, CSing, game knowledge, macro play etc. You can't improve just one skill and expect to climb. MMR has to to reflect *overall* skill, not skill in one or two particular areas.
Except in the majority of cases if a player is "trashtier" in individual skill they will also be "trashtier" in teamplay. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link. etc. You cant honestly comprehend the complexities of teamplay unless you have your own personal play down pat first.
LAKIGR (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mr TeaTime,realm=OCE,application-id=Ntey9fRZ,discussion-id=muTgqlAj,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-10T22:26:06.434+0000) > > Youre the type of person that stops the game from improving i swear to god. > > And now that i think about it your also a hypocrit. > > "You need to worry more about your kda" > "individual skill mmr is bad because then people would worry too much about their kda" > > pick one either kda is the be all end all of what a good player is and you ignore my 7 cs per minute average (easily better than 90% of people in my elo), ignore my vision score average of 30-50 (again easily better than 90% of my elo), ignore my MINIMUM 6k tower damage per game (sadly better than 90% of my elo, youd think they would get atleast the concept of structures are important part down) etc etc. > > Or kda isnt important like your ending statement says, and theres more factors than just "kda ratio" into what makes a good player. > > or lets get even more meta. > > Another reason kda is not a good indicator of skill. > > Is that kda in and of itself can be affected by factors other than playerskill. > > Your teams playing like shit and feeds 30 kills into the enemy team? youre probably going to have a shitty kda, unless youre literally smurfing. > > You suicided to get a few extremely important objectives but havnt really had much kill pressure this game? shit kda. > > The enemy team is so scared of you that they literally only group as a 5 man if they so much as smell you nearby so you decide to use that to your advantage to control their map position by applying lane pressure on a lane forcing them to 5 man that lane while your team takes an objective then die to the 5 man but get a tower or baron or dragon off it? shit kda. (btw this is where most of my deaths comes from, funny how you cant just look at the final score and know how a game went) > > But all three of those scenarios dont make you a bad player, infact two of them make you a pretty decent player, and if you survive those two scenarios you might just be faker. > > And thats just barely scratching the surface of the complexity that goes on behind the scenes of what determines your kda in the end. And yet despite all of that stuff you say your good at. Your still just a hard stuck silver 5 player with a win rate of 47.9% 502 wins and 545 losses. So get off your damn high horse and accept that what ever you doing obviously isn’t fucking working since other wise you would be climbing. Now I can’t watch your games so I have no idea how you play. But for all I know you could just be split pushing all game which is where your cs and tower damage stats come from. Also just because you have a high vision score doesn’t mean that the words you placed are actually decent it just means you’ve placed a tone of wards.
youre in luck i literally just uploaded a game to shut people like you the fuck up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4RprKbje8A This entire post was talking about how "Skill isnt the only factor in winning anymore" ive spent less than 100 games in silver this season, about 900 of those games were in low bronze. i only recently got back into silver and i did it off a massive all nighter with a 95% winrate, where i quite literally put the hard back into hard carry. Like it or not, luck 100% is a fucking factor. And if you dont want to take the word of some "hardstuck silver 5 player" for it. take apdos word for it, you know literal best mid laner in the world, possibly even best player period, Because he too says that alot of this game is luck nowadays.
: Can we finally update mmr to include individual skill in the algorithm?
Just to put a sock in the mouth of any future people to come in and be like >yOuR kDa In Op.Gg Is BaD ThAts WhY yOu LoSe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4RprKbje8A Tell me how my mid lane going 2/7 my bot lane going 0/15 And the support literally inting my lane opponent. is my fault. Please, enlighten me. And Heres the kicker that game isnt cherry picked, that game is literally the most recently played game on my account.
LAKIGR (OCE)
: Well looking at your stats shows that your an akali 1 trick. So my first advice would be stop playing akali. Play a mage where it’s easier to carry and support your team. On top of that on average you die 7 times a game which is insanely high and also on average you only get 10 kills per game and 5 assist. So you honestly need to stop dying. As for making league work off how well you do in game the reason they don’t do that is because then people would care far more about their kda than actually winning the game.
>literally has a stats tab that measures warding, roam dominance, general income, damage per gold, etc etc >tHeY wIlL OnLy CaRe AbOuT tHeIr KdA Youre the type of person that stops the game from improving i swear to god. And now that i think about it your also a hypocrit. "You need to worry more about your kda" "individual skill mmr is bad because then people would worry too much about their kda" pick one either kda is the be all end all of what a good player is and you ignore my 7 cs per minute average (easily better than 90% of people in my elo), ignore my vision score average of 30-50 (again easily better than 90% of my elo), ignore my MINIMUM 6k tower damage per game (sadly better than 90% of my elo, youd think they would get atleast the concept of structures are important part down) etc etc. Or kda isnt important like your ending statement says, and theres more factors than just "kda ratio" into what makes a good player. or lets get even more meta. Another reason kda is not a good indicator of skill. Is that kda in and of itself can be affected by factors other than playerskill. Your teams playing like shit and feeds 30 kills into the enemy team? youre probably going to have a shitty kda, unless youre literally smurfing. You suicided to get a few extremely important objectives but havnt really had much kill pressure this game? shit kda. The enemy team is so scared of you that they literally only group as a 5 man if they so much as smell you nearby so you decide to use that to your advantage to control their map position by applying lane pressure on a lane forcing them to 5 man that lane while your team takes an objective then die to the 5 man but get a tower or baron or dragon off it? shit kda. (btw this is where most of my deaths comes from, funny how you cant just look at the final score and know how a game went) But all three of those scenarios dont make you a bad player, infact two of them make you a pretty decent player, and if you survive those two scenarios you might just be faker. And thats just barely scratching the surface of the complexity that goes on behind the scenes of what determines your kda in the end.
: Ok so this feature is implemented, you proceed to use it to blacklist players who had a bad game and made costly mistakes that may or may not have cost you the match, along with those who either had one negative game, or who will soon be punished anyway. Your queue times are now hours long and queue and matchmaking health dies a painful death.
Tbh id rather spend 3 hours in queue to get people who actually care about improving and winning, than 5 minutes to get shitty players who say "i dont care its just a game" Actually scratch that, id happily take a one week queue per game, if it meant that the one game a week i play all 10 players in the game are super serious about the game and are of extremely close skill level. Because then rather than having one good game out of every 100, id have one good game out of every 1.
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: You'll find the volunteer's here are stuck in their on riot's side ways just fyi, it's basically the same as arguing at a brick wall.
I already know that, im yellowbrickroad back yet again kappa. Just wanted to see if hes really that full of himself or if it was just when me, you and other more vocal names tried to tell him hes wrong.
: I mean right from line 3 your entire chat is just abusing your team, probably one player in particular by the sounds. Would you want to play with someone spouting all that the whole game? You can hardly say you've never had a bad game, do you really feel it's worthy of abuse?
i mean the last time i got abused in chat you know what i did? /mute @championame I dont report someone for calling me garbage, because i can just mute them. I do report people for being blatantly racist however, not using racist words, actually being racist. Thats where the line is. If you are actively going out to attack someone, in a way that is universally regarded as offensive, then yes, you should be banned, but in all other scenarios the offense is not severe enough to warrant a ban.
Ingénue (OCE)
: It is when its escalated through chat restrictions and somehow still don't understand why punishments keep coming.
that assumes its worth a chat restriction in the first place, just sayin.
: Just miss him spamming the forums of him being challenjour and his teammates holding him down. And the sovietstalin drama (what happened to him aswell)?
Ive heard rumors that hes been busy playing the new league of path of exile and so hasnt played enough league of legends games recently to provide rage fuel for his posts ;) Ive also heard that he hasnt gotten around to name changing his new account so he doesnt like to post on it. As for the soviet thing, i got him perma'd way back, recently popped back up again then disappeared as quickly as he showed up because he just honestly doesnt affect me anymore. In the last year ive improved to the point where i was able to carry him despite him trying really hard to troll me, so i couldnt actually get angry at him, just sad that someone can be that pathetic that they fail at even trolling.

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