OCEshots (OCE)
: i would like you to know: i stared at this comment for like 5 minutes trying to work out if you read what you just wrote. They are allowed to because you guys will remove links and names but not the toxic player O.O maybe we should all take your other implied advice and just troll with them :D get the new people who will try league and push this fkn game forward and just fuck their experience because if they try to name and shame they'll also have their shit removed and the cycle starts all over again :D
if you guys have to consistently be told that being a rep for this company you will be referred to as "you guys" you guys are in the wrong domain mate. i had pure proof of their shitty behavior and fuck personal game i want something to change for this shit. this is becoming bullshit stop fucking defending this shitty way and just direct a person the right way to bring this up with RIOT or Tencent I have taken every issue i have ever taken to boards to riot as well.
Ninox (OCE)
: ? No I haven't. "Just because someone else is being an ass, doesn't mean you get to add to it" Is not the same as: "They're allowed to be an ass and you aren't".
i would like you to know: i stared at this comment for like 5 minutes trying to work out if you read what you just wrote. They are allowed to because you guys will remove links and names but not the toxic player O.O maybe we should all take your other implied advice and just troll with them :D get the new people who will try league and push this fkn game forward and just fuck their experience because if they try to name and shame they'll also have their shit removed and the cycle starts all over again :D
: That is strange, i recall that a certain someone said he would quit this game months ago. > WHY is there no policing on this shit?? "it's hard"? bro you have billions because of this game get your shit together tencent and riot. And on the matter of making money and using it to hand out punishment, you would know about that 1st hand. When you got banned, it is them being unfair. And when you want someone else to get ban, riot is not doing their job. *slow clap. Still the same old OoShotsoO.
Ninox (OCE)
: I think you've missed my point a bit. I didn't say that not naming and shaming them would magically make them reform, I said being named and shamed *discourages* reform. Behaviour is not black and white, there is no magic reform button. You can create a combination of factors that gives players seeking reform the most chance of success and the most reason to try, but if they aren't willing to change they won't, simple as that. The behaviours you describe are on an *entirely* different scale. Consider instead a thief, or someone who has been to jail for a non-violent drug crime. They could be perfectly willing and able to reform, maybe they already have, but now they can't get a job because applications require you to state you have been convicted of a felony, without giving you the opportunity to explain your situation/how long ago it was/the severity. They can't get a job to pay the bills/feed their family so they fall back into the (illegal) means they have of surviving. Some will still persevere in reformation because it's better in the long run, but it's a struggle and everyone will be against you along the way. It's *better* in the long run to reform, but *easier* in the short run not to. To encourage reform, you have to make it as easy as possible in the short term.
Your point is as follows: "Suffer the loss in time and effort. Stay quiet or face possible punishment because you might offend them. It's just bad luck that you got them 17 games in a row but they can't do anything because they didnt say the key words" i get it seras i get your point but is the point valid or fair? no. i have videos on videos on videos of little sooks giving up games because its all to hard and if shutting up and playing the game is all to hard, well then reforming and playing the game to a respected standards will be too hard. they will ONLY reform if you make 80% of their life easy for "X" amount of time so they learn morals. A real thief that has been put in jail is a repeated offender and changing his ways will be harder then "hey man reform!?" his name going public will not change his thoughts because he is going to do what he is going to do. once again, having them THINK and have the chance to reform doesn't give my time and energy back. If you don't want to be named and shamed don't be an insecure little [snip] and just fkn play the god dam game and the only thing to stop that is by naming and shaming.
Ninox (OCE)
: Because it isn't in Youtube/Google's interest to moderate content they have no financial interest in? Videos like this have always been removed from baords (at least as long as I've been part of the program), but they also don't get posted all that often. There was a time we didn't have the means to remove linked content in posts so such posts would simply get deleted entirely which rather added to the obscurity. I'm not saying I don't see your side, because I do. When someone is being an asshole the desire to call them on it is natural, but it is also basically never helpful, and is much more likely to have negative results. A player is not going to change their behaviour or their mindset because a random anonymous and faceless stranger told them to. Would you? Even if a player *is* undeniably guilty, for a player that is working on reformation, having one's dirty laundry aired does not encourage that path. For a player that does not care to reform, naming and shaming serves no function at all. If they don't care about the personal impact of losing their account, why would they care about the completely detached impact of what an internet stranger thinks?
ahhh right, because they will reform when unpunished due to not being able to air someones bullshit behavior. might as well do that to pedophiles, murderers and any other persons that do something that effects the general public of the related issue. Riot and yourself should get together and become law makers. How easy would illegal activities be then :D
Ninox (OCE)
: I would challenge you to find the post where I say that and quote it because I have literally never said such a thing.
Ninox (OCE)
: My rules?? I agree with rules but I didn't make them. Sure revenge feels nice and all but it's not very productive. There are ways to report people that don't resort to witch-hunting.
o.O listen mate twisting words does not change my point stay on topic weirdo. i clearly stated riot seras the world does not revolve around you and they can be considered your rules if you are technically a rep for riot o.O it's not revenge its a simple "hey summoners sorry we think its to hard to police trolls just lose 3LP for having this person in your game" pretty simple but i mean probably a little complicated for a "emissary" of a random boards website.
Ninox (OCE)
: There are a wide number of reasons why naming and shaming isn't allowed. The discussion has been had many times.
between Riot and no one that actually plays the game. should the names be known? yes! why? so i dont waste 15-24LP and 15-35 minutes of my life because your little Rules chose so
Ninox (OCE)
: It was removed because it showed summoner names.
because in 2019 we can't know the truth about specific players 0.o makes sense. we can have you guys/riot and everything hide these players names but yet we get nothing in return when they ruin our games. good " rules" to have
Ninox (OCE)
: It was removed because it showed summoner names.
because in 2019 we can't know the truth about specific players 0.o makes sense.
Rioter Comments
: Hey look, another playing getting the same kinda trash I get in ranked. It's almost like it's increasing in frequency and Riot STILL refuse to address it. But seriously, nothing will happen because, AND I QUOTE, "They've done nothing wrong"
can't have a video link anymore? cool
Rioter Comments
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Rioter Comments
: still getting a bug after sending a support ticket and a bug report.
Ninox (OCE)
: >The whole thing = you, saying it's not fair how the system banned you, and not those you're keeping a tab on. That doesn't mean he's saying he wants an unban, he just wants consistency. If the behaviour that got him banned is punishable, then it should be punishable for everyone, which is a perfectly valid point. He's not trying to play the victim card. @OCEshots I can't comment on specific cases, because we don't have all the details. Unless a Rioter has the time to sit down and go through some specific cases, the best answer I can give you is that in my experience there's always been a valid reason for the discrepancy, though given the scarcity of that kind of information, that experience is still quite limited. There isn't an answer I can give that will satisfy you.
Fair call, Ranked is back out now anyways and i got my little vent out. Good luck with the new year {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Do you feel like a victim? Since you've pointed out that, those who've said the same words in the same context as yourself; Have gotten away with their demeanor. But the system did'nt let you through the gate. Did i get it right?, if not please explain. The solution is quite simple. When you are about to type something. Just look in the mirror and ask yourself. Is all this worth it? If this will help me sleep at night, and there is no other way; Then go for it. But remember, there are consequences. When you take the risk, then you should also be willing to deal with the aftermath. In for a penny, in for a pound as the saying goes.
please read the full text instead the parts you would like to pick on. good bye the realistic people are talking.
Ninox (OCE)
: It's important to note that whatever the language, if it isn't reported it isn't punished. I saw an example sometime ago of a truly atrocious log, but it didn't get reported so no punishment was issued (though unsurprisingly the guy was later banned). Point being if noone actually reported your friend he wouldn't have been punished whatever he said. 1) In general, they do, though often not as widely as they could. I found the dev post with the new anti-bot methods basically by accident, and it was a really interesting read. If you don't actively follow those posts they're not well publicised. Some things are kept intentionally vague to prevent people abusing the system/finding ways around it. 2) Why does it have to be instead of? The automated system does the bulk of the work, manual review just can't keep up with the sheer number of reports, which why they are *mostly* only used for appeals/ticket reports. The automated system is pretty good with chat, and lacking with gameplay, but tuning down the chat isn't going to make it better at picking up gameplay offences. I agree the gameplay side needs improvement, but I don't see it as an instead of type scenario. The current chat detection has no impact on the gameplay detection. If you're talking about not seeing the notification, well you've heard us say it before, it's pretty broken so don't count on it. If you're just saying the guy kept playing, if he didn't say anything explicitly recognised as no tolerance language, it's possible he got a chat restriction instead. Support can escalate a punishment, but they usually won't if the automated system has already caught on so far as I can tell, presumably to do with it being a learning system. It's hard to comment on cases like that without all the details, which we as players just don't have, so to be clear that's all just speculation. I know it's not a particularly satisfying answer, but I understand why they keep punishments largely private.
which I find funny, why isn't there just a bot in there that bans people for these words. i got perm banned for being reported for the same words. (%%%-%%%s) which has an original meaning of "bundle of sticks" which could also be translated to "dim witted". no i keep track on people that use words that i used to get the perm ban (i have them saved) and i check to see for even a 5 day gap of no game play. 1) yes but why bring in a system that can easily be abused? its simple - don't say "X" words and don't be dumb sit there and think of all the words (%%%-%%%s-poofs-queer-lesbian-dyke-so on so forth) put it out there and make it known. why do i find this a big deal? because if you want soemones money as "rent" make the rules known, don't make them up as you go. we agreed to not be toxic? league is built on banter/flame and the rest. 2) why? because they are up and down with it. i got instead banned for 14 days for saying "gay %%%%s" for being trolled (i know thats not an excuse) and now i have seen people literally say "KYS" and they're still playing. they obviously want people to play and no matter how toxic people are league will still drive. inting/cheating/botting/trolling is what will stop this game. CS:GO died in the ass real fast because of it. they needed to keep what ever they put in place at the start of last year and also bring in people to overwatch games for inters/grievers/trolls for a little while to make it clear that its not right. I know the notification doesnt come up much anymore. i dont use that as anything anyway i just write down the name-remember it and check up on it every day for 1-2 weeks to see if gameplay has stopped. its as simple as this Seras Dragon - i said someone is a gay %%%% - i got a ban i called someone a sooky poof - i got a ban i sat there and explained to a jgler that sitting under tower and not doing anything does not mean i am not safe as any good player can make a massive wave and they can tower dive me - he still refused and i got a chat ban. i had a heart operation and watched streamers while in hospital and back at home for 8 weeks and realised its just me worrying about my not so good team mates - saw 13 accounts say - "%%%-poof-%%%got" they never stopped playing saw 15 accounts say - "kys-hang yourself- kill yourself" 2 stopped playing. have seen 37 account straight AFK because they fucked up - NOT ONE stopped playing. 2 run down mid - never stopped playing 20 laugh and int - none stopped playing. verbal abuse is not the problem.
Punicorn (OCE)
: Who else is passionately mad about having to wait 6 days for everything to be unlocked?
Imagine starting ranked, having a new champ come out - dealing with patch changes... and trolls.. so many trolls..... ALL AT ONCE?! come on dude chill out
: And it starts
You shouldn't expect your first provisional to be S4 if you were S4 yesterday. its a rank reset like they keep warning us every year
Rioter Comments
Ninox (OCE)
: I haven't heard of any specific shifts beyond the new bot measures they're testing, though I know they're always *trying* to improve negative gameplay detection. I agree that the gameplay punishments are often lacking except in real blatant cases, so I can only hope we will see improvements this season. I disagree that they aren't allocating enough resources though. At a point there's only so many ideas and iterations of ideas, and hiring more people isn't going to make a difference. Skins are obviously the primary revenue, but having people ditch the game because of bad experiences doesn't exactly make them money, it's in their interest to police it as best they can, and Riot have pioneered a lot of this stuff. I couldn't say what the solution is, but just hiring more people isn't it.
On a business end of things I'd have to disagree that hiring more people won't make a difference. If you have 5 people going back through reported replays of game then hire lets say another 5 (edited number 5) you'd go through them twice as fast. Riot are moving in the right direction (although i'm still salty on last years perm ban on one of my accounts and i've had a mate say kys (which ive never said to someone) and he doesnt get punished) I just think 1) Riot should let people know when they're making changes to the ban/report system because people like me that use slang all day without limits then come to this game and have a ban randomly for using the slang i have used in this game for 3 years and have no ban. 2) Riot should look into the trolls/inters a little more instead of looking more into word banning people. I.E - I've had someone know my mother is dead and try to use it against me in-game, i've reported that - got nothing. to then calling a mate a f#g and getting an instant 14 day suspension.... like really guys whats going to effect a person more? Not saying that account didnt deserve a perm ban just saying a lot more people needed to go down with me.
Ninox (OCE)
: The typical punishment tiers are: - 10 game chat restriction - 25 game chat restriction - 14 day ban - permanent ban The tiers were chosen from years of data as the determined best points of reform. Past the first two, chat restrictions don't really have any effect (they used to do infinitely stacking chat restrictions), and for punishments after a 14 day reform rates drop to tiny numbers, hence why the tiers are what they are. As for your punishment, it sounds like you were punished for feeding, which obviously skips the chat restriction tiers. To be frank, you have to be feeding pretty hard and pretty blatantly to get a ban first time, because the system is typically slower to punish such behaviour so it can be confident it's intentional. When you queue up for a game you are going in with the expectation that people will actually play the game. If you queue up for a normal game to practice a new champion or just to have a chill game with friends, the last thing you want is someone derailing that and trapping you in a game you can't play and can't enjoy.
so this year Riot is focusing on actual in-game behaviour instead of just verbal abuse and harassment? (going off our little chat on my other account). not attacking you as i would prefer punishments on "inters/trolls" to be the same as harassment. once again i understand that it is really hard to police in game trolls and the rest but honestly with how much League has grown its about time they use their money a little more on making it fair instead of having a bigger "design/skin" making team.
: how do I get an ask riot?
just keep asking riot on their news updates
: 1v1
For sure and no idea why there is 2 no votes (@8:47am 17/12/2018) Would push for this in an Ask Riot edition
Jklien1 (OCE)
: Can we please do something about these new 'champions' and 'reworked champions'????
to think neeko is hard to vs and unkillable is questionable. Everything on her kit is way to short ranged. all it is is that the AP scaling is a little to high. THAT IS IT tho like shut her down early and thats the end of the game for her.
: Yeah I had about 5 dodges in a row, lost 2 games and then I am gaining less for a win than I was before.
if you dodge more than twice-3 times a day you have issues man. besides all of this you're pretty pointless to talk to as you only play once or twice a day.
: How am I wasting anyone's time?
* grabs fly squatter *
: Are you telling me there is no difference in mmr from 36LP plat 4 and 75 LP plat 5?
are you telling me you have dodged that many times in a row?
: I did give the right information, read it again. Why are you saying that if I play meta I will not get autofilled? Also, I was told that mmr was not lost when dodging queue, boy was that information false. I just dropped half a division from dodging and losing a game, and my point gain dropped below what it was before.
account info mate. you had played 3 games and all 3 games you had the same champs and same sums you're a troll and wasting peoples time. shu fly don't bother me
: Yeah and contrary to popular belief, I just found out via experience that dodging does in fact lower your MMR. So it is never a good idea to dodge. You know those issues with the client where it freezes for people and then because they couldn't choose a champion it makes them dodge. Good fun.
What the hell are you on about? i've dodged over 20 games in the last 3 months of the ranked season and continued to gain 20-23LP a game. please mate stop trolling people.
: I am playing on my smurf in plat. ign whitepuma Try not to act on assumptions unless its life or death.
Try giving the right information instead of thinking people are mind readers. try not 1/9/1 in a ranked game and complaining about not getting your role. try not playing weird shit top and you might get what you want.
: Riot how could you allow this...
diamond player doesn't know what to build or? 1) they are more than likely smurf accounts which is allowed. 2) triforce on nasus is not a must so the second you went 1/2 or even 0/2 against jax you should know to build frozen heart. 3) after your 3rd death maybe even under tower give the tower up you out scale everyone in the game. 4) it just really seems like you and sona didn't try playing the late game at all to be completely honest.
: Queue times are over an hour long
you last 2 games in ranked were adc and you've mained twitch all season 8 so i'm finding it hard to understand what planet you're on.
: Towers are dropping like flies. Would be good to see data from RIOT.
Stince (OCE)
: Did u copy paste from google translate or something lulw.
: Neeko
listen people use zoe way to much nowadays. Shes nothing like Zoe if you're good at the game.
: We are all within the same system. But your mind is at the stage of victimisation process, and failed to correlate it to your skills. Cant you see you are not good enough with your current self to climb? Or, are all those people in bronze got held down by the system aswell, and they should be higher? If everyones move up a tier, than whose's at the bottom? If you are stuck at gold using the same scenario, would you think you deserve plat, and if you are at plat, would you think you deserve diamond?, and so forth. Your matches's history, you did'nt stand out in any of the matches. If that is your standard of doing well, then NO WONDER you think your team is shit and you cant rise. Your ego is higher than your skill's level.
explain all points of someone standing out in a game. what are all the factors of standing out.
: my bad. thought the word "Permanent" was pretty understandable.
until tyler 1 himself was perma banned and all of his accounts were until his could make them some money and advertise them. apparently permanent has different meanings after money is involved (lets not make it to obvious)
Vitklim (OCE)
: Let's play the prediction game for the new champ. Neeko
honestly after reading this I thought you'd be at least low silver. "game breaking" - the fact that she has a bard/lux ability as her E, karthus Q ability as her Q and a moving nunu ult as her R makes her not game breaking at all in the slightest. along with LB's passive as an active for her W. she has a passive that isn't that confusing at all. just another post about something new being hard....
ThatsBS (OCE)
: I agree with this. Also alot think lux is a genuine support? Or brand.... but IMO I think they create more of a disadvantage. When up against a meta bot lane.
i'd rather a damage dealer as a support even in plat. torment is just way to strong atm
Ninox (OCE)
: I agree they don't feel that much harder to kill for the rewards it offers, though I do think it shifts focus a little bit. I haven't played too much yet so I'm not going to build any strong opinions yet. Time will tell.
Yeah just thinking about it now didn't they buff minions damage? that would be a major factor especially if you have even just 1 wave of 6 buffed minions would contribute so much more DPS
Gehirn (OCE)
: Could be a couple of things attributing to this feeling: - Turret plating gold rewards makes players want to prioritize damaging the turret especially before plating falls off. Meaning that even with the extra resistances they may go down around the same time if not earlier. - The Health bars look bigger, so damage dealt looks like it comes in bigger chunks than before. Just my theory.
i'll play on this account after work to check if it is just i'm hitting turrets more often or not (I play differently according to accounts. Playing more risky at lower elo). Also on another note thinking about it now didn't they buff minions or at least their damage?
  Rioter Comments
: There is. When you go into the settings there are 2 types of attack move. "Attack Move" where you press a button, the range of your champion is shown then you click where you want to attack "Attack Move Click" which is a movement command that tells your champion to attack the closest target to the point you selected. You just need to bind it to something. I think by default attack move is on A and attack move click is on V.
correct. I have it bound to MH4
Ninox (OCE)
: Ok let me try to break this down in order. 1. It doesn't matter how many reports you get against you if they aren't valid. You could be reported 100 times but if you haven't done anything those reports are effectively thrown out. 2. If you want people to believe you, post evidence. Your chat logs are what you are being judged/punished for, so if you believe that judgement to be false, posting your chat logs is the easiest way to get community feedback. 3. There is a distinction between defending yourself (fine) and retaliation (not fine). You seem to be aware of this, though. 4. Sounds like you were targeted, and yeah, that sucks. Without your logs I'm not going to say anything for sure, all I can really say is that problematic behaviour will be addressed regardless of who 'started it'. 5. You wouldn't be hit with a punishment just for typing a lot, especially in a normal. While it isn't exactly ideal, there would have been something beyond that to trigger the system. 6. Did you report them for it? Only one valid report is necessary to trigger a review of the game, so if you reported them, that's enough, just don't count on getting any feedback on their punishment status, it's kept intentionally vague for various reasons, and the one notification that exists, is extremely limited. Hearing nothing, doesn't mean nothing happened. 7. Yes Riot can investigate. You can appeal your punishment through player support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new If the punishment was made in error (which while very rare, isn't impossible) then the punishment will be revoked and rewards restored.
Can back this up nowadays. xiaoxin you have defended yourself and said the wrong thing and now you lose. defending yourself with aggression is not acceptable and sadly enough you accepted that when you created your new account and accepted the terms and conditions
Essembie (OCE)
: I think your bullet point advice is really good. But I disagree about giving up. I think a lot of matches are winnable, but if the team gives up and cant think strategically enough to draw it out and get back in the game, there is no point. Agree to disagree I think.
I guess that's a great thing to do so we don't keep doing laps XD agreed.
Ninox (OCE)
: I'd argue that some matches are better surrendered for sanity's sake, even if they're technically winnable. Those tend to be few and far between though. It annoys the absolute crap out of me when someone gives up at 10 minutes and says S@15 because of one or two mistakes. All you're doing by giving up so early is *guaranteeing* the loss because you couldn't suck it up for even 10 more minutes. If you were going to give up so easily why are you playing ranked at all??
I think i feel so strong about not giving up so much is because i have accounts in almost every elo up to plat. bronze and silver are so easily carried purely from macro. wave control and objectives win those games. i Opt for champs that can solo baron at 25mins (with good farm and gold lead) and just put your whole team and your back and give them some free LP. But yes totally agree that people that give up that early are annoying but also no longer see it after my perma ban on my 3rd gold account because i just mute all so i don't speak. A lot of people should not be playing ranked and not because they suck or anything along those lines but purely because their mental isnt in the right spot.
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