: how do i change my summoners name?
Go to the store in client. In the top right hand corner press the account button (silhouette of a person and a gear). Select summoner name change, then payment type (13900 BE or 1300 RP).
Highsky (OCE)
: Hextech Malz Limited Skin
Because you have to craft it with gemstones if you aren't lucky enough to get it from a chest. You can't just buy it, hence limited :)
: Hi Oce moderators! the other day, the rest of my 5-man team was celebrating their achievement in receiving their RP reward, however I was deemed ineligible to obtain the reward. The only difference between my team and me, I figured, was my name. If this is the case, then I apologize to anyone who was offended by my name, I understand that my name could be considered somewhat inappropriate. When I made the account, it was only supposed to be a lighthearted joke between my friends and I. Moreover, I mean no harm towards anyone who loves this game. I very much enjoy and love this game myself, and I value the RP just as much, if not more than anyone in my team. So i would like to ask the moderators to please re-consider this decision as it is very important to me. Thank you.
Should be all fixed up for you now :)
: League music
If you weren't already aware, they have a theme for worlds every year that is usually accompanied by an animation, and is usually played live at Worlds in the opening ceremony! Last years was a special treat with an appearance from Elder Dragon ;) 2014, Warriors by imagine Dragons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmI_Ndrxy14 2015, Worlds Collide ft Nicki Taylor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Twd965VzX4 2016, Ignite by Zedd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zasx9hjo4WY 2017, Legends Never Die ft. Against The Current: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zIGXun57U 2018, RISE ft. The Glitch Mob, Mako and The World Alive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8TyLTD7EE
: So hold space, so that my camera is locked onto my Champion. And right-click the minimap, so the Champion moves to that spot, but the camera is still locked on Champion. It doesn't work. Okay, will try the restart. Thanks, Seras - you the best. Let us name/shame, though!
Hmm now that I haven't tried, I don't right click the map very often at all and I can't say I recall doing it while holding space. I though you meant moving the map, not moving your champ with the map. If a repair doesn't help I'd probs ask support, that's a new one on me. You can name and shame bots if that floats your boat.
: He wasn't perma'd for that log, he was punished for that log. He was perma'd for ignoring all prior warnings, including an explicit threat of permanent suspension for any further violations, and continuing with problematic behaviour. If it had been his first offence, it more than likely would have just been a 10 game chat restriction.
> Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) In other words, don't be an ass to people. Is it really so hard to comprehend that abusing someone isn't allowed? Would that not just be assumed?
esp (OCE)
: That's something severe though which is on the spot instant loss of license, it's not like going over 3-5kmph of the speed limit which you'd probably get away with. Just like murdering someone, it's not like talking smack to someone with kindergarten insults which in the end.. still warrants the worst possible punishment. You move up the punishments tiers too fast, like.. the current system doesn't read how severe, it's just told "valid" or "invalid" and you move up a tier. Maybe you should suggest having a demerit point system. I think i like it. atm it seems like we have 12 points and saying your bad twice in chat takes 4 points... where it should be like 1..... ? You'll probably say it pretty much is already in place but as i said, you move up the tiers too fast for minor stuff. It needs to be able to detect what is severe and what isn't. Just as it can detect racism and all that no tolerance stuff. that stuff i completely agree with.
Did you know that Riot used to do infinitely stacking chat restrictions? The record is something like 13000 games. They didn't work. The punishment tiers are what they are, because reform rates past 4th offence are so low they aren't worth catering to. You have a choice, you can allow 100 more toxic players to play a couple more toxic games (up to 900 players negatively affected) so that one player has that one extra chance to reform. Or, you can save those up to 900 players the negativity. It's worth noting that from everything I've read the reform rate at this point is much lower than 1%, this was only an example. You get 4 demerit points on your license, because noone should need 5 chances to get their shit together, and if they're at that point, they likely aren't going to. The same principle applies here.
esp (OCE)
: He may have deserved a punishment but not one so severe. more specifically he didn't deserve a perm ban for shaming someone for playing bad. But...... yeah, If we don't like it and Riot won't change, there's only one thing to do.. Some people can understand and some cannot, some people can't tolerate being bagged on.. Riot doesn't show others chats because we're only responsible for our own actions but like you said.. Riot's focused on what people type not how people play. If I remember correctly, Seras said there's no system and it's high work load to monitor game play, I don't think it's a good reason to not have it, we know Riot is a multi million dollar company. It's not like they don't have a budget to have something like this. Feel sorry for ya bud, atleast if you make a new account MMR will be clean and there'll be less toxic people you'll get matched with. Good luck.
He wasn't perma'd for that log, he was punished for that log. He was perma'd for ignoring all prior warnings, including an explicit threat of permanent suspension for any further violations, and continuing with problematic behaviour. If it had been his first offence, it more than likely would have just been a 10 game chat restriction.
esp (OCE)
: Then why in the U.S can you use your good driving record to appeal a traffic citation ?
We already get that with the current system. A minor offence or two will not result in any form of punishment, like that speeding fine you get out of because you weren't *that* much over and you've never offended before. A chat restriction is like losing a demerit point or a speeding fine, a perma ban like losing your licence. If you jump straight from clean record to 50 km/h over in residential you aren't going to get out of that.
esp (OCE)
: Yeah I don't really understand why punishments affect your honor but having good honor won't protect you from being punished.. It's hard work getting honor back from level 0/1.
If I go 20 years without murdering anyone, but then one day decide I hate someone enough to murder them and follow through, should I be protected from consequences just because I had the decency not to murder anyone before that? Honour is an achievement, not a free pass to be negative every once in awhile.
IcePoPz (OCE)
: Cant Que due to "difference in rank" but same rank as duo partner
Do you ranks match in the same queue? That's about the only reason I can think that would be occurring. If you're playing solo//duo it'll pull your ranks from solo/duo, not from flex or whatever other queues you may be ranked in.
: Recently I’ve been playing ranked, and I came across a ezreal that bugsplatted.
The Ezreal would most likely have received a loss for that game whether you won or not. Beyond that, there are no penalties beyond LB. It's very possible that was his first afk, everyone has at least one.
: Space and clicking minimap doesn't work
As in move the camera by clicking the map while holding space? I just tested it and it worked fine on mine. Not sure what setting would cause that not to, maybe try a client repair? I've had some weird camera lock bugs in the past and that usually fixed it.
trenna2O (OCE)
: Perma Banned hell yas
The mute feature does not give you anyone a free pass to harass people, that is not, and never has been it's purpose. You have no way of knowing if another player was punished or not, and while I think we can all agree that gameplay punishments aren't as quick as we'd like them to be, that also does not give anyone a free pass to harass players. If you have received a permanent suspension, it is because this isn't your first offence. If this is only your second, it's because zero tolerance chat such as hate speech or suicide encouragement was involved in your first punishment and it should be obvious why such language is not permitted. If this is your 3rd or 4th then you've had at least one chat restriction warning you that your behaviour would not be accepted and that you would have to improve (or at least not bring it to the game) or face further punishment. To simplify, you were penalised for your behaviour, but you were permanently banned because you refused to improve it despite warnings, including the explicit warning of permanent suspension found in the 14 day reform card. Riot's stance on fighting back is that defending yourself is fine ("Hey don't do that", "That's not true") but retaliating is not ("Go back to x rank", "you blankning blanker", "[spam insults]"). >[WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT!](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-#h1q7) >Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you wish to appeal for a removal or reduction of your punishment, you can submit a ticket to player support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new If you want specific community feedback I'd recommend posting your chat logs, as there's only so much context we can offer without details of your punishment.
waffen (OCE)
: It's all good, I got level two the same night I made this post. Thanks for the reply though :)
But if you've never received a penalty then you shouldn't have had to earn level 2, and therefore should be above it. Given there are rewards for higher honour, I'd still recommend you submit a ticket to Player Support.
: WATCH REWARDS ARE CORRECTLY SET UP FOR YOUR ACCOUNT can not get the rewards
Have you tried a different browser? Have you tried a different stream (youtube/twitch)? Have you submitted a ticket to player support (https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new)?
: Hi Oce moderators! the other day, the rest of my 5-man team was celebrating their achievement in receiving their RP reward, however I was deemed ineligible to obtain the reward. The only difference between my team and me, I figured, was my name. If this is the case, then I apologize to anyone who was offended by my name, I understand that my name could be considered somewhat inappropriate. When I made the account, it was only supposed to be a lighthearted joke between my friends and I. Moreover, I mean no harm towards anyone who loves this game. I very much enjoy and love this game myself, and I value the RP just as much, if not more than anyone in my team. So i would like to ask the moderators to please re-consider this decision as it is very important to me. Thank you.
~~Let me do some digging for you. I wasn't around for the prize giving out..stuff so I missed out on some info.~~ ~~It might take a bit to touch base with the other Organisers so hold tight.~~ EDIT: Your team had a duplicate entry removed, and the entry we didn't remove (because it had an SS and not a match history) apparently missed the 0 in your name so that's why you didn't receive your prize. I don't see any issues with getting that sent out, but don't quote me on that in case there is, and it might take a bit, I'll let you know as soon as I can!
: A little update, ban is now over and my level 5 honour is wiped, so now I can't even get the end of season rewards. This is such a joke. no wonder this game is losing people...
Less than 1% of players see any form of punishment. Even if the game is losing numbers (which sure it might be, we don't have recent stats and games hit a point of plateau and then decline, see WoW) it's not because of punished players leaving.
wOkIngram (OCE)
: Unjustified ban
>I decided to teach that degenerate a lesson about being a decent human being and then I receive a ban? Do you truly feel that this is an appropriate response to someone banning a champion that they have every right to ban? Sure it's bm if you have it intent picked, but often it's just they don't want to play with it. I hate Ezreal, I hate versing him and I hate playing with him, and he regularly sees the business end of my ban hammer. While personally I don't ban intent picks no matter how much I might want to, some people make the choice that the fun they lose isn't worth a second pref pick from someone on their team. To be immediately labelled a degenerate for that? In a normal? That seems rather harsh. Regardless, there isn't much feedback the community can give you without your actual chat logs, so if you want anything specific, I'd recommend posting them. If you want to appeal your punishment, you can submit a ticket to Player Support and they'll review it: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
FunZone (OCE)
: Still haven't got the watch mission
I'd definitely recommend submitting a ticket to player support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
waffen (OCE)
: No, I've never received a penalty. I don't know anything about starting at level 2 or not and I have started playing this season if that has anything to do with it... If everyone does start at level two then there has been a fault in the system. After playing one game last night and receiving honour I logged out and logged back in and I get level 2 honour, so thankyou very much the odd co-incidence gods.
If you've never received a penalty you should never have been below honour level 2. I'd recommend submitting a ticket to Player Support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: What is wrong about PROJECT: Hunt? Can we stop hurting someone's hard work? Its a story, not a fairy tail we can read to our kids. Be nice to those who try there hardest. 1500 words...
Except it appears the content was stolen from an NA player who wrote if for a different contest more than a year ago.
: Garena LoL account to OCE
As far as I know there's no way to transfer accounts to or from Garena because of the difference in content and they way they are run. If you want to know for sure I'd recommend submitting a ticket to player support, but I expect the answer will be that you can't: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
esp (OCE)
: Yeah some interesting perspectives from people on that thread. A line does need to be drawn somewhere and as far as the warnings go, some people are lucky to get more than the 4 with good behaviour it resets. This is from that thread and it's pretty good way to understand riots logic. **"There is evidence to suggest that detection and not severity of punishment is what really reduces offenders. If people knew they will almost certainly be punished, they won't do it. Even it there is the threat of perms ban, players may think, 'I'll get away with' or 'Will never happen to me'. Second, how does a perma ban for being extremely obnoxious sit with an account where someone has spent hundreds of dollars on in game items? Can it be, from some perspectives, too harsh?"** I just think it's sad to lose an account for calling someone words like moron/stupid/dumb/bad/boosted.. I just imagine kindergarten insults, even thrown in with some f words, It's all at the same level of abuse in riots eyes, there's worse things to say but it's all having the same effect. Sure it's negative behaviour all the same but perm ban worthy..? I can't agree...
I don't think there's much more I can offer without repeating myself, but the global volunteers have been a big help with finding out some more specific info, so big thanks to Periscope (NA) and the EU volunteers who have a whole library of stuff! ___ >[We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wsObUaFj-if-tyler1?comment=00010001000000000000) >We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it. >We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling. >The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS. ___ >[The issue here is that the number of people that would use [player chosen chat restrictions], is extremely small. Of the small number of people that say they would use it, a much smaller group would actually use it. Of those people, most are going to be toxic with those chat lines available. It's often used as an argument as to 'this is the reason I'm toxic, I don't have the tools'.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EwWH8%%%-tantram-a-few-player-behavior-system-changes-id-like-to-see?comment=002b00010000) >In fact, we have experimented with granting chat restrictions to players who request them, and the majority of them ended up using the small number of chats available to maximum toxic effectiveness. >So I pose this question. Would you rather have the engineers and designers working on this, or working on something cool all players can enjoy (for example honor). Would you rather have this, or would you rather have better intentional feeder detection? Everything has to be prioritized against other things, and everything we do is informed by data analysis. ___ >[The current punishment levels are as they are because if a player does not change their behavior after multiple warnings, they are not likely to change. We used to have other punishment levels in place, but all it did was delay the amount of time until a player arrived at perma-ban status. It did not help with reform rates, and ultimately allowed more games to be ruined.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZZkQvApM-new-feature-one-time-permaban-buyback?comment=000600000000) >There are diminishing reform rates at each level of penalty. The majority of players who get a chat restriction, never get any other penalty. Additionally, the vast majority of players never get any sort of penalty at all. Players that get penalties of any sort are by far the outlier. ___ >[Permanent mutes aren't an answer. Players that want to lash out and cannot due it via chat, will do it through other methods. We have a lot of data backing this up.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/d2M1uX57-instant-noreason-permanent-ban?comment=000400030003) ___ If you would like to look deeper, Riot Tantrum over on NA is more often than not a goldmine for player behaviour related posts/discussions/information.
HeartVine (OCE)
: So if the account in question has been inactive for the required 30 months (which, after a quick search on a 3rd party site for this kind of thing, it has been), then the most likely scenario is that the account was hit with a perma-ban, in which case the name wont become available again.
But OP can submit a ticket to player support and hopefully they can at least tell for sure :) https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
QAPLA (OCE)
: I am white. I never use the "N-word". But if American media keeps using it (film, television and music), then people who watch that stuff are going to repeat it. If you listen to rap music (I'm a classic rock/metal fan myself), you hear the N-word a thousand times in a single song. You can start using it sub-consciously due to over exposure. If African Americans stopped saying %%%%%% every day, then maybe other people would stop saying it too.
Yeah I'm pretty much of the mind that either everyone can say it we don't let it have any more power than swear words as abuse (only in context), or no-one can say it and it holds it's place as hate speech. If you're going to reclaim the word to not be hate related all power to you, but if it's all about equality then it should be equal, not "we can say it but they can't". It just perpetuates the us vs them in a different and arguably equally as harmful way. If a word is so offensive it can't be used in polite conversation (i.e not among close friends who understand the subtext), then that should be the end of it. I see it in TV shows and movies and I don't see how it's meant to be reclaiming the word when they just use it as another excuse to separate cultures and widen the gap. But, that's from a white (practically vampiric) perspective. Not that I've never experienced discrimination, I fall into other categories often targeted, but it's never been racially motivated. I feel the same way about f%%%%% and assorted other slurs. Everyone, or noone. Like gay, it's only offensive if actually used as an insult, otherwise it's just a descriptor. The word itself has basically lost it's power as a slur (ignoring the meanings it had before it was a slur in the first place).
HeartVine (OCE)
: Honestly, I don't agree with people going AFK all the time just to avoid problems, but it is a *much* better response than retaliating as far as I'm concerned. Instead of retaliating, and simply making the situation worse with each response, you choose to remove yourself from the situation, and focus on you. That shows a genuine attempt at doing the right thing (at least, the "better" of two wrongs), in my opinion. That said, I'd still say that it's *much* better to keep playing and trying to win, in spite of the abuse. As for what consequences could come of it, the most likely possibility is that you'll continue to accrue LPQs, as LeaverBuster doesn't typically result in bans.
AFAIK LeaverBuster does not and cannot issue actual bans, only LPQs. I pretty much agree with you. If the whole game has gone to shit, everyone is yelling at everyone else, frankly I can't find myself begrudging the AFK. If there's still one or two players trying their heart out, AFKing is pretty bm, but it's usually pretty clear if the game is going anywhere or not, and if it's a pretty guaranteed loss, again, not gonna judge too hard. If the game is winnable, then I'd say muting and sticking around would be the way to go until it really goes downhill, but all of this applies to normals not ranked. In ranked, I'm of the mindset that you should have fully committed to that game, and that if people are being toxic you just need to mute and get on with it. Engaging them isn't going to help, but ditching the other players in a competitive environment really crosses the line in my eyes. From what QAPLA has said, I can't really find fault with the behaviour, I don't believe they play ranked at all.
: Bring Back 5v5 Team ranked Q
My understanding is that Clash is meant to be much more frequent once it's up and running, just that they had some *major* hiccups with their initial live testing that have taken a long while to get sorted. There are still a few issues but they were able to get most games going and completed with this test, and they're planning to run one day tests on other regions in the coming weeks, so hopefully we'll know more soon!
: >which is something that should be changed (sort of) I'd be curious to know if you have any suggestions. Personally I feel the policy of the system is pretty good where it's at, but I more than welcome other perspectives. In my mind, if someone continues their negative behaviour despite 3 warnings (2 chat restrictions and a temp ban), then clearly they don't care about other players, and barely care about the consequences, so perma is really the only option left. That bearing in mind that they perma accounts and not players (certain very extenuating circumstances excepted). >I just don't think it's fair that if both parties were toxic one recieves a chat restriction and this fella has recieved a perm ban. This ties into what I said above, but basically it comes down to whether or not you feel negative history should play a role in punishment. The system works on a yes answer to that, and personally I agree, in the same way that if someone steals something for the first time, you might let them off light with a bit of a scare, return of the property, and maybe a fine, but if they become a serial thief you have to take a harder stance. You seem to disagree, so I'd be interested to know what alternatives you would consider if you have any you feel would work. >reporting a player for being "unskilled" was an actual thing so calling someone bad is something that riot pretty much encouraged. This is precisely why that option was removed, it was incredibly misleading. Being bad was never punishable, that report was meant as a cue for matchmaking to say "hey, this person is consistently being matched with people too much more skilled than they are", but inevitably people assumed that since it was reportable, it was also bannable which it never was, hence the change. >I see they've brought down the hammer on it but they've missed something It's worth mentioning that any tactics they use have to be scaleable as well. Manual review simply can't keep up with the amount of players in the game anymore, so the automated system has to handle the brunt of the work. Something that would help 1% of punished players, while great if possible, isn't practically feasible to accomplish. >Can you answer on riots behalf why they won't bring the tribunal feature back? As simply as possible, because it didn't work. Tribunal is one of those things that sounds *great* in theory, but in practice fell apart. Punishments were almost universally too harsh, and tribunal required a near 100% Riot review rate as a result, making the whole player driven review thing almost entirely pointless, and putting all the burden on Riot anyway. You can take boards as an example in fact, since a lot of people post logs with questions like "was this fair/deserved etc". You can see the very wide spectrum of opinions. Some people think words should never be punished because muting is a thing, some people think gameplay offences should be punished much harsher than it is (I agree it should be punished *faster* but that's more due to the limitations of the system). Some people feel hate speech is only ass bad as any other chat. Some people feel that perma chat restrictions are the absolute holy grail of punishments and should exist. Even with pretty explicit guidelines, getting all of those people to agree on a punishment? Just not gonna happen. Or alternatively finding people who fit the metrics Riot needs? Not scaleable, and at that point you should pretty much be hiring them, which again defeats the purpose of player driven review. >I saw you say something about they've tried the perm chat restriction and it failed miserably, could you link me to this? It's hard to go back through all the old stuff and boards does not give an easy way to search unfortunately so this is what I have that's OCE specific. However, I think I may be mixing some information. I am unsure if there was formal testing of permanent chat restrictions, or if it just didn't line up with the reform policies Riot has in place. The formal testing may have just been the level 20 challenge (returning perma'd accounts after a period of good behaviour) which had a whopping 95% relapse rate. _Chat restrictions serve two purposes: - to warn and reform players who are consistently unsportsmanlike (most chat restricted players never get another chat restriction) - to reduce the amount of harm an unsportsmanlike player can do in a given game._ _The thing is: if a chat restricted player isn't reforming, then they're likely to keep using their limited chats for negativity and abuse which means they'll keep being reported anyway. Players who don't reform even while chat restricted, eventually end up permabanned. That is why you've got to focus on improving your own behaviour rather than relying on a partial shield like chat restrictions to prevent yourself from being banned._ https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/99W0Zvji-i-am-speechless-picture-intensive?comment=00040000000100010000
With some help from the EU volunteers I've dug up some more specific info as well: >[75% of players tend to improve their behaviors after an initial verbal warning, and the rates of improvement just plummet after that. We never saw a benefit of using 1 day, 3 day, 7 day, 14 day bans *and* chat restrictions and ranked restrictions, so that's why you don't see as many shorter bans--they don't improve anything beyond verbal warnings while longer bans do.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/369a4k/reporting_feels_so_useless/crbz8bh/) It's admittedly quite old, but well after the introduction of the new system, and as far as I can find has never been defuncted by any new data/changes.
: "It's not easy to remove them from those places simply because of how easy it is to make a new account." Yes. This I understand. However if you "Flag" an account that has a suspicious name, or never changes summoners (Remember the client tells you when you got a new summoner very obviously. A real player would test it) after a reasonable amount of games, of this behaviour, put this account on teams ONLY with other accounts like this. This will not help the harder bots, but will mean a majority of those crappy bots you can recognise on Champ Select will always be stuck not on your team. This means they'll ruin less games, while still getting more information. "If you do ban waves that catch 9% of bots before they hit level 15 that's great, because they don't enter the main population" In my 25 game analysis, I got 77 unique bots. If 9% were banned, that's 7. See a problem here? That's none in the grand scheme of things. "they largely seemed to be either smurfs or genuine new players from looking through their history, with nothing that particularly indicates botting behaviour." Again. 3 of those had been purchased. As in. They were bots, and suddenly one day went from ONLY aram games with shit scores, to playing ranked with amazing scores. That is INSANELY indicative of botting behaviour. They were likely bought on those insanely public sites you can find by literally googling "Buy lol account" and go to G2A.. Also, though you removed them from the comment, they're still in the post itself in the txt file. One of them even took 7 days after I reported him directly to Riot games in a support ticket before he was actioned. This is where my issue lies. I understand they exist. I understand riot games are "trying" but based upon information and belief, they're woefully incompetent at it. At this point, the way to deal with these bots is to just STOP banning them. Then the bot creators will stop making 100 to sell 5. They'll flood the market so much that it'll no longer be profitable, and such action will cease. Even if it doesn't cease, less accounts will be made, and as such less bots will exist. Is this the best course of action? No. Is it the easiest? Yes. Will it be effective at protecting them from infesting low level games? Yes. "Ok so, I'm the first to admit that bots in low level skewed environments" Oh btw, wanna explain how I get the in my Silver 3, level 100, 4 year old account? Thats not a low level game. Yet I still see them in varying quantities, up to 4 per game.
>However if you "Flag" an account... If you consider when the ban waves go out, and how quick it is to level up, that's basically what happens. There pretty much aren't any bots that make it to lvl 30, only the absolute sneakiest and those get picked up pretty soon after. The only solution would be to do ban waves every day, which isn't done already because it clues the botters into what is detected and what isn't (and at roughly what speed), which Riot tries to avoid given how hard it is as is to stay that step ahead of the botters. >One of them even took 7 days after I reported him directly to Riot games in a support ticket before he was actioned. I believe the ban waves are at least weekly, and I know Gehirn bans a lot by hand as well. I'm not 100% on the frequency, but 7 days sounds about right if it was caught in a ban wave (in which case they won't manual ban). >Will it be effective at protecting them from infesting low level games? Yes. But it will destroy the integrity of higher level games instead. At the moment, only a small percentage of players are actually affected, but if those bots are allowed into higher level play, think of the type of players that will use them? Boosters and players with perma banned accounts. So yes you push out one negative aspect, but it all just funnels into another, it's not that simple. >Oh btw, wanna explain how I get the in my Silver 3, level 100, 4 year old account? Coop vs AI MMR is all over the place, especially on small regions like OCE. The population is low, and the MMR is separate from normals and ranked. ARAM MMR is also separate, so if you haven't really played it much that would be why. Beyond that, I'm not sure why you're seeing them as much as you are. I've just started a new account and over about 15 co-op vs AI games I've seen about 4 bots. >These accounts, the most recent played, was 3 weeks ago. 3 of them last played on the 10/9. These accounts were banned, because they were bots, as such I think that it would count as confirmed ;) At that point it's rather irrelevant since they're banned anyway, but even if they *were* bots, there is now a real player attached to that account (who may or may not have known that buying accounts isn't ok) and so all the witch hunting and so on rules apply.
esp (OCE)
: Okay. Good point, it doesn't seem like self defence, but you can't say it isn't without seeing another player in the game chatting, which you will also say it doesn't matter who started it in riots eyes, which is something that should be changed (sort of). I just don't think it's fair that if both parties were toxic one recieves a chat restriction and this fella has recieved a perm ban. It's also an old system were reporting a player for being "unskilled" was an actual thing so calling someone bad is something that riot pretty much encouraged. If that makes sense? It was reportable anyway.. What is riot is left to do? No idea, toxicity isn't something you can beat and I see they've brought down the hammer on it but they've missed something. Can you answer on riots behalf why they won't bring the tribunal feature back? Or change the way IFS to recognise that things such as this shouldn't warrant a perm ban. I saw you say something about they've tried the perm chat restriction and it failed miserably, could you link me to this? I could be wrong but when you're chat restricted it's usually a lot easier to play being given limited messages so that you wont excessively chat.
>which is something that should be changed (sort of) I'd be curious to know if you have any suggestions. Personally I feel the policy of the system is pretty good where it's at, but I more than welcome other perspectives. In my mind, if someone continues their negative behaviour despite 3 warnings (2 chat restrictions and a temp ban), then clearly they don't care about other players, and barely care about the consequences, so perma is really the only option left. That bearing in mind that they perma accounts and not players (certain very extenuating circumstances excepted). >I just don't think it's fair that if both parties were toxic one recieves a chat restriction and this fella has recieved a perm ban. This ties into what I said above, but basically it comes down to whether or not you feel negative history should play a role in punishment. The system works on a yes answer to that, and personally I agree, in the same way that if someone steals something for the first time, you might let them off light with a bit of a scare, return of the property, and maybe a fine, but if they become a serial thief you have to take a harder stance. You seem to disagree, so I'd be interested to know what alternatives you would consider if you have any you feel would work. >reporting a player for being "unskilled" was an actual thing so calling someone bad is something that riot pretty much encouraged. This is precisely why that option was removed, it was incredibly misleading. Being bad was never punishable, that report was meant as a cue for matchmaking to say "hey, this person is consistently being matched with people too much more skilled than they are", but inevitably people assumed that since it was reportable, it was also bannable which it never was, hence the change. >I see they've brought down the hammer on it but they've missed something It's worth mentioning that any tactics they use have to be scaleable as well. Manual review simply can't keep up with the amount of players in the game anymore, so the automated system has to handle the brunt of the work. Something that would help 1% of punished players, while great if possible, isn't practically feasible to accomplish. >Can you answer on riots behalf why they won't bring the tribunal feature back? As simply as possible, because it didn't work. Tribunal is one of those things that sounds *great* in theory, but in practice fell apart. Punishments were almost universally too harsh, and tribunal required a near 100% Riot review rate as a result, making the whole player driven review thing almost entirely pointless, and putting all the burden on Riot anyway. You can take boards as an example in fact, since a lot of people post logs with questions like "was this fair/deserved etc". You can see the very wide spectrum of opinions. Some people think words should never be punished because muting is a thing, some people think gameplay offences should be punished much harsher than it is (I agree it should be punished *faster* but that's more due to the limitations of the system). Some people feel hate speech is only ass bad as any other chat. Some people feel that perma chat restrictions are the absolute holy grail of punishments and should exist. Even with pretty explicit guidelines, getting all of those people to agree on a punishment? Just not gonna happen. Or alternatively finding people who fit the metrics Riot needs? Not scaleable, and at that point you should pretty much be hiring them, which again defeats the purpose of player driven review. >I saw you say something about they've tried the perm chat restriction and it failed miserably, could you link me to this? It's hard to go back through all the old stuff and boards does not give an easy way to search unfortunately so this is what I have that's OCE specific. However, I think I may be mixing some information. I am unsure if there was formal testing of permanent chat restrictions, or if it just didn't line up with the reform policies Riot has in place. The formal testing may have just been the level 20 challenge (returning perma'd accounts after a period of good behaviour) which had a whopping 95% relapse rate. _Chat restrictions serve two purposes: - to warn and reform players who are consistently unsportsmanlike (most chat restricted players never get another chat restriction) - to reduce the amount of harm an unsportsmanlike player can do in a given game._ _The thing is: if a chat restricted player isn't reforming, then they're likely to keep using their limited chats for negativity and abuse which means they'll keep being reported anyway. Players who don't reform even while chat restricted, eventually end up permabanned. That is why you've got to focus on improving your own behaviour rather than relying on a partial shield like chat restrictions to prevent yourself from being banned._ https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/99W0Zvji-i-am-speechless-picture-intensive?comment=00040000000100010000
esp (OCE)
: It's someone who cares about winning getting frustrated with a bad player to finish the game and get greeted with a permanent ban. The lowest possible form of abuse btw. How does this chat warrant a perm ban? Forget the fact he had past warnings, it's an irrelevant factor based on this chat log alone. A chat restriction would be suffice, not a two week ban and not a perm ban. It's not about who started it, you should have the right to defend yourself. After investing time in a game for someone else to play badly and then afk is a frustrating thing. Being permed ban for such a manner isn't a suitable consequence.
>Hacks4Dayz: Vayne is boosted Hacks4Dayz: Dont worry noc Hacks4Dayz: She will be B5 again soon >Hacks4Dayz: I want real silver adc Hacks4Dayz: Noit B5 >Hacks4Dayz: This adc is B5 all day every dfay and you can see it in her stats build and items >Hacks4Dayz: What the fuck is mentally wrong with you >Hacks4Dayz: I got ezreal adc Hacks4Dayz: You got a real adc >Hacks4Dayz: WTF WAS THAT EZREAL Hacks4Dayz: YOU BOOSTED MONKEY Hacks4Dayz: OH MY Hacks4Dayz: Go back to B5 To just pick a couple, this is self defence? self-defence: the act of defending oneself, one's actions, ideas, etc defence: taking action in order to *protect* someone or something *You* are defending OP. You are arguing his case. While there is some defence in that log, OP was *attacking* his team. There's nothing defensive about "Go back to B5 you boosted monkey". Past warnings *are* relevant. Even if you ignore the *you've been a rule breaker before so we're keeping an eye on you" aspect, consider the "a chat restriction, a second chat restriction, and a 14 day ban with the explicit threat of a perma should this behaviour continue, was not enough to dissuade this player from continuing to be a negative influence on the community". It's not like this perma came out of nowhere or was a surprise. The 14 day reform card states ["If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended."](https://imgur.com/U4XhEGo). Even if you don't agree with the rules, that doesn't change the fact that you have to abide by them if you want to remain a part of the community. *Any* community. Despite multiple warnings and a very explicit threat of permanent suspension, the behaviour continued. So if temporary punishment is not enough to prevent the negative behaviour that hurts *everyone*, what is Riot left to do? Permanent chat bans were proved to not work. Reform tactics like giving accounts back after x amount of time with good behaviour was proved not to work, so the only option left is to permanently suspend accounts that repeatedly offend. That is why his past punishments are relevant, and that is why he was permanently suspended for this.
: 1. Please refer to [REMOVED - [REPORTING OTHER PLAYERS](http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/BjArMH2B-boards-universal-rules)][REMOVED - [REPORTING OTHER PLAYERS](http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/BjArMH2B-boards-universal-rules)], who are still able to conduct games after I being punished. I know you are not from Riot, so please check it out, and you can also find my statistics, also you can find the game replay in it. If you are really willing to help, please check the game replay, and then answer: have I fed or trolled the game? 2. If my words are racist, or in the same category with "chin* chon*" and F-words, then why did Riot block those words instead of mine? I do not think my words are racist, not at all, especially after I find that you are not trying to explain in a logical or persuasive way. Please find proof on racial words defined for this game. 3. What I think is I am being treated unequally, please consider this problem.
>who are still able to conduct games after I being punished Bans are not the only form of punishment. *You do not know if they have been punished or not*. >have I fed or trolled the game? This is not relevant. You were not punished for feeding or trolling, you were punished for racist chat. "Only For Fun: this country of arrogant but talentless Australian" as the prime example. >then why did Riot block those words instead of mine? Because the words on their own, Australia, talentless, arrogant, are *not* racist. While those slurs on their own *are* racist. >I do not think my words are racist Your words are racist, not because arrogant is a racist slur, or talentless is offensive to x ethnicity, your words are racist because you said, "this country of arrogant but talentless Australian" together as a sentence which demeans an entire country of people based not on their character, but where they are from, hence racism. >especially after I find that you are not trying to explain in a logical or persuasive way I don't know how I can make this any clearer. _**Racism (noun)** Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race primarily based on the belief that one's own race is superior. _ You don't have to use specific words to be racist. "Chinese people are all ugly, worthless people" is just as racist as "you f%%%ing c%%%k". >What I think is I am being treated unequally You were punished for breaking the rules. It was made explicitly clear in your 14 day reform card that any further offences would result in a permanent suspension of your account. ["If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended"](https://imgur.com/U4XhEGo)
F4R W3ST (OCE)
: such a scam, how could I know that I need to use malphite WITH the odyssey skin to have the border ? It wasn't written anywhere ! And it cost me 80 token that I could have used to get champion shards or skins..
It's specified as "Odyssey Malphite Border", meaning a border for Odyssey Malphite. The store page for the items also specify they are for that skin only, and this has been the case since skin borders first became a thing (Riven and Yas VS skins). I agree that it isn't as clear as perhaps it could be, but the information is quite readily available. If you are truly dissatisfied, you can submit a ticket to player support and they *might* be able to refund the tokens for you, but they have no obligation to do so and have every right to refuse. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
qtpie (OCE)
: When's the next clash for day 2?
>[We’re ready for a one-day test in Oceania](https://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/help-us-test-clash-weekend) It was a one day test only. There aren't anymore games this time around.
: thanks for the help my champs i got chests on were c and c+, can guarantee id know if i got an s
How strange. Perhaps the chest popup was delayed from another match? I know the level up popups sometimes are, so maybe the chests can be too... Any S ranks in recent games? Past that, if you really wanna know submit a ticket to Player Support and they should be able to tell you what games you earned chests from: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
F4R W3ST (OCE)
: Clash schedule
>[We’re ready for a one-day test in Oceania](https://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/help-us-test-clash-weekend) It was a one day test only. There aren't anymore games.
: i have all 4 available yes Edit - so after much further research i realise 'team mate' is a pretty liberal term here. so i wasnt in a premade party or anything with them and that is why i didn't get the chests. but now I'm curious as to how i got the 2 prior chests earlier as i don't have any s ranks and i sure wasn't in a party with anyone for aram
Your match history in profile will tell you what grade you got, I can only assume you got an S without realising.
: not getting mastery chests
Do you have any chests available? You get one every week and they stack up to 4. You can see how many you have available in your profile. https://imgur.com/glKjin9?noredirect
: cannot create recordings in league client send help
That's probably a question better aimed at Player Support: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Hopefully they can at least point you in the right direction, but it's probably best if you give them some more detailed information like PC specs, harddrive space, how you are recording them, and so on.
: In Regards to the Ranked Season Rewards
That's a question for support. You will receive Orianna along with the skin for sure. As to whether they can delete the champ from your account, I know they are able to do this (though you won't get any sort of compensation or refund), but be aware you may also lose the skin forever if you do this. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: Let's make things simpler, I cannot find your logic in those comments. 1. I know you are not Riot staff, but do you agree that those 2 players are not playing properly? I am talking to them, not myself. 2. To find the game replay, oce.op.gg. 3. Do you agree those words like "chin* chon*" or "%%%%%" or f-word worse than my words? 4. I think the only reason the OPTI and you elaborate on my comments is I touched the sore point (or G-spot) and you dare not face and deal with it correctly.
1. Assuming all you have said of those other two players is true, and there is no more to the story that is relevant, I agree they should receive punishment, but we have no way of knowing that they didn't. I disagree that their bad behaviour makes yours ok. 2. See 1. 3. No I don't agree. Those words are racist, the words you used were racist (they just required some more context to be so). What they said and what you said are in the same category. 4. ? We elaborate on your comments because you asked us to. Are you saying you asked a question only for those who agree with you to answer? That if someone disagrees they aren't allowed to answer because that's humiliating to you? Noone is right all the time. I and OPTI have done the best we can to explain to you why you were punished and the reasons things exist the way they do, and you are dismissing it for no other reason that someone has disagreed with you? Does that not make it you who is struggling to face things as they are?
Quibbs (OCE)
: does it only cover saturday or sunday also?
>We’re ready for a one-day test in Oceania Just Saturday.
JupiterR (OCE)
: Is there clash on sunday? (Tonight) or was it saturday only?
>We’re ready for a one-day test in Oceania Just Saturday.
: Can you punch someone in the face if they attempt to mug you?
That's kind of in the grey area. If you punched him while you're actively being mugged, I think there's a pretty solid argument for self defence. It isn't necessarily wise, and may be an overreaction depending on if the mugging is actually violent or a grab and run type deal, but there's a credible argument there depending on the situation. If you see him on the street an hour later and slug him then, well that's different. Not that it's a perfect analogy anyway.
dute9 (EUW)
: Why is trash talking not alowed in a lol?
Two big reasons. 1. **If you have to mute someone, the damage is already done.** You've already experienced the toxicity (or you wouldn't have to mute them), and it's already soured your experience, even if you aren't the type to let it get to you. The mute feature isn't a protection against toxicity, it's a protection against continued toxicity. 2. **Muting only hides the behaviour, it doesn't address why it is or isn't ok.** If players know they can get away with calling everyone racist/sexist/homophobic/etc slurs or general abuse because "they'll just mute me" it encourages that behaviour to continue (no consequences). That's a pretty shit example to set, especially in a game rated _M (13+)_, and *will* bleed out of the game and into their day to day behaviour. That's not the kind of community you want to foster anywhere, but especially in a *team* based game.
esp (OCE)
: You can't say he started it is a child's excuse, if someone came up to mug you are you going to just walk away? You turn around and get jumped. It's a self defense thing and it's totally justified.
Getting mugged isn't an excuse to break into the guys house later and steal his TV. It's not an excuse to turn around and slam the guy into a pavement concussion when he was already running off. It isn't an excuse to tackle him, take your wallet back, and then also everything else he has on his person. There is a distinction between defending yourself and retaliation. Often there is a small grey area, it's not a defined line, but asking someone "WHAT IS MENTALLY WRONG WITH YOU" when they don't play the way or as well as you want them to isn't defence.
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lQBqbd3u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:42:57.482+0000) > > As for the complete chat logs, Riot does not offer the whole chat logs in part for privacy reasons (they cannot and will not give you any information from another players account including logs or punishment status/history) but primarily because you have been punished for *your* behaviour, and thus your chat (the source of the offence) is the focus for you, since that alone is what you are responsible for. Last get this out of the way first of all. They do not offer the full chat log as it is condemanding to them. That is a fact. Just to help you understand this. Back in the day of the old " Tribunal system " Then when they use to add names of the player to the tribunal log. MY OWN CASE was handed to a mate of mine who called me. I found out I was reported and ban for not communitcating with them. Because I muted everyone in the game. Once I found out this I posted on the forums to see others have gotten crap like that also.. So the names of the player was removed. What was added after that was name of the champion they selected.. But people were able to check OPGG and see them and bang. No name of the champion or name of the player. It has nothing to do with so called " Privacy " it has everything to do with the fact Riot would not be able to ban half if not 3/4 people they do if it came out.. This player was ban after he had to deal with 30+ mins of people saying how bad and shit he was and should be removed from life. But hey.. Lets just say " it is about protect people " [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lQBqbd3u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:42:57.482+0000) > > To put it as simply as possible, you were punished for rank/skill shaming, which is pretty much universally agreed to be toxic behaviour. This is why I need / want the full log to be showen to see why I said the things I said. Like take the radio advert I hear the once.. " Damn these drugs are great " Ash, Kip and luttsy better in contexts. It is always easy to say someone is toxic and blame them for it all... But when in full contexts. Sometimes it is easier to understand why they said it. [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lQBqbd3u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:42:57.482+0000) > > That said, you specifically seem concerned with the severity of the punishment. To be permanently suspended for behaviour, you have to have received at least a 14 day suspension, and often 2 chat restrictions before that. In the reform card for your 14 day ban, the last sentence makes clear that ["If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended"](https://imgur.com/U4XhEGo). Yes.. Over a year ago.. I came back after a very long break from the game. In fact when I came back I had some leaver buster or something from the last game I played before I left this game. But I worked hard to not be toxic. To not be that player that was telling them that they need a vist from me in real life. To be that player that muted. So really prema ban after 12+ months of nothing from someone is very uncalled for. [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lQBqbd3u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:42:57.482+0000) > > False reports are meaningless, as is the number of reports in all but the most extreme circumstances. All that matters is if at least one of those reports are valid or not. This part needed to be called out. This is a flat out lie or something you beleive is the case. Because I have made a crap ton of post about this with proof endless back when this autoban system first came out. Dont believe me. Try it for your self. MUTE EVERYONE! Only type this " /all please report me. I dont care what for just report me " If all 9 players do what you asked. YOU WILL GET BAN! Riot claims that reporting isnt based on numbers. But lets think for a second. Lets say today a lone.. People randomly report someone for a bad game. Lets say that is 10 times But then you have people report someone for bad words. Lets say that is 10 times. In each of the case's it was mainly 1 or 2 reports. But then you get one game where the player had enough of the crap he was dealing with from them. Muted everyone on his team. Now everyone on his team and the other team reported him. Lets say this happens 10 times also. The player with 9 reports is going to be ban first. Why? It is due to the numbers. If we take all the reports I said and add another ten thousand on them. But the last one on the list and leave it at ten. The player with 9 reports will be dealt with before the others. This is like calling the police and saying " HEY PEOPLE WONT STOP PARTYIN " they will deal with it in time. But if more people call them about it. They will deal with it faster. So please do not lie or try and past off what you believe as fact when it is far from the fact.
>Last get this out of the way first of all. They do not offer the full chat log as it is condemanding to them. That is a fact. I would very much be interested in proof of these facts. I was never arguing the other player's behaviour, if they did something worthy of punishment they will receive one in the same way that you have. The stance is that *it does not matter who started it*, that is a child's excuse, and is a poor thing to accept as a reason from perfectly capable teenagers and up. Given that, the rest of the chat log is irrelevant. It wasn't a case of you quoting someone who said 'kys' or anything of the sort, so as far as your behaviour and your punishment is concerned, your log is all that is necessary, and all that should matter to you now, given you will likely never see those players again, and you are not responsible for their actions, only your own. >Back in the day of the old " Tribunal system " It's for the reasons you listed and more that tribunal was removed, because it didn't work. >It has nothing to do with so called " Privacy " Policies change when they are problematic. Those problems existed *6 years ago*, and not even on this server. They are hardly relevant now. >it has everything to do with the fact Riot would not be able to ban half if not 3/4 people they do if it came out.. What? You are responsible for *your* actions, and *your* actions broke the rules. >This player was ban after he had to deal with 30+ mins of people saying how bad and shit he was Why do you get a free pass for doing the same? If you feel that behaviour is not ok, why should you be allowed to demonstrate that *exact* behaviour with no recourse? Why didn't you just mute them? >Yes.. Over a year ago.. I came back after a very long break from the game. You restore your accounts status by playing games and demonstrating positivity/neutrality, if you didn't play any games there was no way for that to happen. Restoring status just by time is meaningless, because players with multiple accounts could just switch between them and never worry about permanent suspension, it is much to easy too abuse. >Why? It is due to the numbers If that were the case then false punishments would be rampant. They aren't. If you were punished, you are either one of the *extremely* rare cases of false punishment because something you said or did triggered the system mistakenly, or you said or did something worthy of punishment. Data from *6 years ago* has little to no bearing on the present. I wasn't deep in the systems when they first came out, but like any system I imagine there were problems in it's infancy. That is essentially meaningless now. >So please do not lie or try and past off what you believe as fact when it is far from the fact. I could say the very same to you. You haven't offered any proof to the alternative, only data you (a single player) collected *6 years ago*. Especially given your punishment was a valid one, you haven't exactly offered a strong argument to consider.
C9 Snocky (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=lQBqbd3u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-13T03:42:57.482+0000) > > To put it as simply as possible, you were punished for rank/skill shaming, which is pretty much universally agreed to be toxic behaviour. False reports are meaningless, as is the number of reports in all but the most extreme circumstances. All that matters is if at least one of those reports are valid or not. > > That said, you specifically seem concerned with the severity of the punishment. To be permanently suspended for behaviour, you have to have received at least a 14 day suspension, and often 2 chat restrictions before that. In the reform card for your 14 day ban, the last sentence makes clear that ["If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended"](https://imgur.com/U4XhEGo). > > As for the complete chat logs, Riot does not offer the whole chat logs in part for privacy reasons (they cannot and will not give you any information from another players account including logs or punishment status/history) but primarily because you have been punished for *your* behaviour, and thus your chat (the source of the offence) is the focus for you, since that alone is what you are responsible for. I see alot of people saying that the more people who report then the higher chance you get banned, thats not the case. It's an automated system that responds to all reports it's not a human with any bias or prejudice. The only cases where quantity matters are in cases like the Singed support with smite case. That guy was reported in a majority of his games over a long period but his actions werent able to be detected by the system so a real person had to step in, the average player won't experience this. In addition to rank/skill shaming its worth mentioning that calling for players to be reported is also considered toxic.
Those were pretty much the cases I was talking about, and there's a few here on boards that Gehirn has responded to as well. Cases where the behaviour is minor enough the system is not confident in punishing, but the player in question is getting reported basically every game by most players. It's only used in manual reviews, hence "the most extreme circumstances". Calling for other players to be reported is toxic, but generally won't result in a punishment on it's own. I'm sure it contributed, but it was not the core behaviour that resulted in punishment.
: Prema for this... WTF
To put it as simply as possible, you were punished for rank/skill shaming, which is pretty much universally agreed to be toxic behaviour. False reports are meaningless, as is the number of reports in all but the most extreme circumstances. All that matters is if at least one of those reports are valid or not. That said, you specifically seem concerned with the severity of the punishment. To be permanently suspended for behaviour, you have to have received at least a 14 day suspension, and often 2 chat restrictions before that. In the reform card for your 14 day ban, the last sentence makes clear that ["If this behaviour continues, your account will be permanently suspended"](https://imgur.com/U4XhEGo). As for the complete chat logs, Riot does not offer the whole chat logs in part for privacy reasons (they cannot and will not give you any information from another players account including logs or punishment status/history) but primarily because you have been punished for *your* behaviour, and thus your chat (the source of the offence) is the focus for you, since that alone is what you are responsible for. >[WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT!](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-#h1q7) >Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
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