: Placement Games
Placement games and the soft reset are to determine whether or not you have maintained your skill level from last season. Vast majority of players get placed lower, that is nothing new, it has always been this way since I've been playing (Season 3/2013). 2 tiers of difference really isn't much, so if you belong in B3 (or even higher) you'll climb back up in no time.
Picbangoss (EUNE)
: Client text problem
Try running a client repair (gear button up the top right > initiate full repair). If that doesn't work try reinstalling with the Hextech Repair Tool: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202539040-Reinstalling-League-of-Legends
ToshiroT1 (OCE)
: yeah the spectate mode
Is it just not available? Or it is but it doesn't start when you click it? First thing I'd try is run a client repair. (Client Settings > Initiate full repair)
: love how RIOT deleted my comment from my main account about them sweeping the problem of bots under the rug as if it wasn't happening yet expect there players to follow there summoners code which strictly states that you can't use botting in the game. So Why should any of us be bothered to follow there code they don't enforce and probs couldn't care less to as long as they make money right RIOT. We are the community we demand action we demand more action be taken #BANTHEBOTSINPVP I ask of all summoners spread the word everywhere make RIOT do something and follow this comment for if it also gets removed by a company who can't even follow there own codes and rules correctly then there is no hope and we should stop playing or at least don't spend real $$$$$$ on a game where rules only apply to actual people and artificial intelligence gets off Scott free Yes had to use this account cause riot banned my other one from commenting in the community. I have a FB page Search ANZLOLC feel free to add it i posted the message they sent me there as proof.
Ya pretty sure it was the targeted "get f'd" that got your comment deleted and not your opinion on the ban system. Also your boards account wasn't banned it's still active.
: Is it Perma-Bannable to AFK
The short answer is no. The longer answer is if you're doing it all the time in ranked you can get a full punishment for it, but generally speaking you will only rack up longer Leaver Busters (kinda like a queue dodge timer) starting at 5 minutes for 5 games and going up to 20 mins for 5 games.
Fitzky (OCE)
: They could make it so if a person afk's for more than 5 minutes during a game everyone can vote on a remake at any point, the only problem is that everyone on the enemy team just played for 20-30 minutes only for it to mean nothing, I would be really pissed tbh.
Pretty much sums up why remakes are so limited. I think something in the realm of half LP gains for the enemy, half losses for teammates of the afk and increasing LP losses for persistent leavers would be appropriate, but anything they do is most likely going to have unintended use cases that are problematic and/or other pain points.
: Unable to anything after loading in
Disable your discord overlay.
Nightjar (OCE)
: if you're below silver 5, the soft reset barely scratches your mmr, and that's generally the part most people focus on, as well as the win-loss, but what is more important about a soft reset is how it alters your deviation. This allows you to gain or lose more mmr depending on the result of your first few games, with the very first game being the most decisive in terms of where you end up, and the last game being the least important. The win-loss of placements is kind of irrelevant, it's more about whether you can win the first few in a row and inflate your mmr. Duoing with a higher ranked player also helps (you, not them), since if you can scape in a win during your first game or so, you'll earn a massive chunk of mmr and your deviation won't increase much since early games in almost all mmr system have deviation capping, get a few more of those in the first few games to reduce your deviation and earn a few scratches of mmr, and you've basically placed yourself already within the first 6 games. You can lose the last 4 in a row and it won't have nearly as much of an impact. If you win the first 6, then lose 4, you'll get placed alot higher (around an entire division) than if you did that in the reverse order, even though both were technically 6-4, because the mmr system perceives the first few matches to have a much higher weight. This is just how all mmr systems work after a soft reset, if you play enough, you'll always end up where you belong, but your first few placements is where the real battle is.
You're probably right, but give the calculations are hidden we don't now how similar or otherwise Riot's MMR system is to others. What you say makes sense but we can't know for sure. We tend to give the minimum in posts like these however cause when you start getting real technical to a questions that's just "why did I get placed here?" people tend to tune out. If they expand, we do.
: Cant click anything ingame?
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-support/F1goweJo-unable-to-use-keyboard-or-mouse-in-game-discord tl;dr Turn off Discord overlay for the moment :)
Huebo (OCE)
: is there any way to disable that? I just use ALT + cast to target myself
Not that I'm aware of nor could find unfortunately.
Huebo (OCE)
: it's at minimum already
Then it's pretty much just a skill you have to practice. The reason it happens is because you can use the portrait to target yourself, same as you can use your teammates'.
JHarV (OCE)
: Azir's ult doesn't work on Xin Zhao's dash - plz fix................
If you want to report bugs the best place to do so is over on the Report a Bug thread over on NA. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report
00shots00 (OCE)
: well I wasn't rude or severely offensive I stated that I would like the name brought up so if I get that person in my champ select I can dodge and take the -3LP instead of losing 15-24 LP because riot will not give it back to me even if they catch that person. fair is fair. just because a company makes rules does not mean they are legal
And Yaia was saying that if the name is posted again or if you post the name that it will be removed. There's no legality involved here, it's the rules of the community and has been for a long time.
: Ranked Placements
Vast majority of people end up 2-3 divisions lower than where you ended last season. Ending Bronze 3 last season means you are actually one of the few exceptions to that. Basically means you've got a good headstart, your MMR must have been pretty high for your rank for you to be placed higher.
Huebo (OCE)
: Skill shots going the wrong way
If you're struggling I'd recommend turning your UI scaling down a bit so it's not in the way as much.
JESMO (OCE)
: Why am I not receiving hextech crates?
Do you have a chest available on your profile? You get one every week and they stack up to four, so if you've already earned all your chests you won't be able to get another one for a while.
: Key Fragments
I can't say I've noticed key fragments being harder to get lately, but it's likely tied to the honour reset. The higher rank honour you are the more you get key fragments (as far as I know) so with honour being reset most people would be getting them slower for a while until those ranks go up again :)
: > [{quoted}](name=KbgMan,realm=NA,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=3AW3Haz7,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-08T22:14:01.069+0000) > > My account has been suspended for 14 days and i understand why. The first day i got suspended it said i had 14 days left. it is now about 6 days after the ban and it still says 14 days left. I dont know why. Because 14 days is code for. PERMA.. My last 14 day counted down. Might want to make a new account there dude!
Bit of an old thread. More likely it's just a bugged timer.
Naaabe (OCE)
: Ranked Game gone wrong?
It always sucks when stuff like this happens, but unfortunately there's only so much that can be done without creating something that can be abused. Remake is the start of that, but it has strict limitations for a reason. You can't create a scenario where players can leave with no penalty without people finding ways to get around taking legitimate losses. It's unfortunate, but you can't win every game anyway. The best thing you can do is to take a break, de tilt and then try that much harder in the next game.
: why do i have to get queues for bugsplat issues
Because ultimately it still affects other players negatively. If you're having tech issues from time to time, shit happens and Riot knows that, but if it's happening a lot the responsibility falls on you to do what you can to fix it. Onto your issue though, bugsplats can be caused by a whole lot of things so there's a lot to try and work out. If it's happening when you first get into game, I'd first recommend not alt tabbing during loading, especially i you use true fullscreen. It messes with the loading of the game (esp on low end machines) and can cause crashes and the like. If you notice it's happening when you have a particular other thing open, close that thing. If it happens randomly, the first thing to try is repairing your client. Once in the client (logged in) got to settings, and then "initiate full repair". There are some things a simple repair won't fix though, so if that doesn't fix your issue then I'd recommend reinstalling the game with the Hextech repair Tool. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202539040-Reinstalling-League-of-Legends
Deru (OCE)
: How do ranks get placed after 3v3 twisted treeline placements finish
Given that Riot's calculations are hidden it could be a few different things. As far as I know though your initial TT ranked mmr is tied in some way to your SR ranked mmr as a starting point instead of starting with fresh mmr since the queue isn't up much. I got placed into G5 in TT with average win loss which makes sense from my SR rank but not from a fresh ranked (Silver 3-4).
: Bot making its round in ranks!! Riot Ban it Quickly!
>Please don't name names. If you see or hear about another person breaking the rules, send us a ticket directly so we can investigate and take action if necessary. We know that players report publicly with the best intentions, but it often leads to a witchhunt, rarely resulting in a positive discussion. https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/BjArMH2B-boards-universal-rules Even with bots, there's nothing that can be done about them here, so best to report them in post game and/or a support ticket. The name you linked was pretty cut and dry, but they can be way more ambiguous, which is why the rule is what it is. Player side we just don't have all the info. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Bot bans can take a little longer because they are done in waves rather than individually, but obviously a bot making it into ranked is no bueno, however it happens to get there. I've reported it as well, but a support ticket may be your best bet.
ToshiroT1 (OCE)
: The League Client
What is it that isn't working? You mean spectate mode? When you say you can't watch, what exactly happens (or doesn't)?
Montiness (OCE)
: We Failed to Start your game = DODGE TIMER?
Sorry for being so late to the party, but I'm really not well versed in the tech stuff and I was trying to find some better info for you. The fact that you started having issues right after you patched tells me your patch probably didn't go the way it was supposed to. Obviously it's inconvenient to not do anything at all while the game is patching, but there are certain other processes and programs that can interfere with the patching process and cause issues like other installations and such. That said, sometimes it does just happen, usually because of a connection drop out during the patch or some such. First thing I would do is repair your client. Go to settings in the client and press "Initiate full repair". If that doesn't work I would try the steps found here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201761974-Bug-Splat-and-Game-Crashes If that doesn't work either I would recommend doing a full reinstall with the Hextech Repair Tool. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202539040-Reinstalling-League-of-Legends
Shana Rei (OCE)
: I keep seeing people post that preseason has minimal or no effect on placements. From my own personal experience on multiple accounts this can not be further from the truth. I ended last season S1 100LP. During pre-season I started maining support (was a top main) and I climbed to Plat 5 around 50LP. Did my placements, went 6-4 which is pretty average and got put straight back in plat 5. To me that shows that pre-season has a huge impact on your results.
Most people don't climb multiple tiers during preseason. Vast majority of players only climb 1-2 tiers in preseason, which has basically 0 impact. Your story tells me that your MMR when you were in S1 was probably quite high for your rank, and your subsequent extreme climb in preseason really pushed it up. Placements you were probs being matched with mid to high plats and won just over half hence the placement. It's not impossible to be placed higher, and it's not impossible to improve your rank placement in preseason. It just doesn't happen very often.
Rengorax (OCE)
: k well on my silver 5 last season smurf i got silver 2 so i was hoping that i could get a decent rank out of placements on this account aswell but oh well can just climb i guess
It's very unusual to get higher than end of season rank. Not unheard of certainly, but also not the norm. Vast majority get placed lower. It really all comes down to mmr. If your season end mmr was higher than your rank, and maybe you climbed a bit in preseason as well, then perhaps vsed and beat higher mmr players in placements, it adds up.
: when can I sign up
This announcement was for the ocean week 3 years past. Ocean week has unfortunately been retired as of this year. https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/the-news-hour/KJX7VOGx-ocean-week-update
: On Making Bronze Five, On Abject Horror
You will pretty much always be placed 2-3 divisions lower than your end of season rank, so if you finished Bronze 5 you're basically guaranteed a Bronze 5 placement, whether you go 10-0 or 0-10 in placement matches. Doesn't mean you can't climb though. The best thing you can do is to focus on one thing at a time. Instead of just trying to improve generally, pick something you know you aren't great at and work on it until you can say you're proud of it, regardless of what rank you're sitting at. Then pick something else and repeat. If you do that the climbing will come on it's own. Climbing is a process of improving, it's not just a matter of playing a whole bunch of games and hoping. Ofc though it is important to be aware that being in Bronze 5 the odds are stacked against you, even if you do gradually improve. If you improve a whole bunch and feel you still aren't climing, you could consider starting a new account, getting to ranked and placements and seeing where your at. It might be an easier time to improve for a while on a fresh account where things are clearer, then go back to your main when the gap is bigger and it's easier to climb out.
Rengorax (OCE)
: Question about placement mechanics
I'll try to keep it as simple as possible cause it can get pretty confusing. 1. Placement is pretty much entirely based on your end of season rank and MMR. 2. MMR found on sites like op.gg are at best an estimate. They use their own calculations not Riot's, because Riot's are hidden essentially to prevent abuse of the system. 3. You will almost always end up 2-3 divisions lower than your previous season rank. Very occasionally someone with very high MMR or who really boosted through preseason will end up a little higher. Those who stopped before reaching their peak rank will often only be 1-2 divs below their end of season rank due to higher MMR as well. 4. Placement matches don't matter all that much to your actual placement unless you were previously unranked. For the most part they are just to make sure you are still at your skill level. We don't know exactly what goes into your MMR gains/losses because of the hidden calculations. 5. At G5 last season, you should expect in the realm of S1-3. 6. If you want to estimate yourself, look at what ranked players you are being matched with in placements. If they're above your end of season rank, only knock 1-2 divs off your end of season. If they're even 2-3 divs. If they're lower, 3-5.
IOTA (OCE)
: Remake is flawed
Unfortunately it does happen from time to time, but it's better than not having remake at all. If you'd like, you can pass on a match history link to player support through a ticket, and they can likely pass that on to the team that handles that stuff. Having links to cases where remake failed would be useful, or if nothing else support can probably tell you why remake wasn't available if it wasn't a bug. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: Hi Riot, I was hoping that the transfer would be available already once the season was launched. Major disappointment that it's still not available to us at this time. It's been more than 5 weeks now since the original launch date that was given to us. I moved countries since September of last year and worked really hard to get into the rank I am now and decided to wait 2 months. 2 months turned into 4 months... I even started a new account and it's just not the same without all of my hard earned rewards, skins and champion pool. I'm sure it's not just me that has been waiting for the transfers and I do hope that you pull through soon.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/rlu6awv4-transfer-service-update%E2%80%8B >There is still a bit more work that needs to be done to get the service usable again, and the team is hoping to have it back up and running by late January/early February. >Also - when the service does come back up we are planning on offering transfers at a discounted rate for a couple weeks. There will be a news post when we have more information on exact timing, so keep an eye out for that! ___ I can only assume there's been some major hiccups along the way. It sucks you have to wait this long but there isn't much to be done unfortunately.
: This was just posted by Riot support... so apparently even Riot don't know the truth about dodging in placements. > For the record though, unlike promo series, games dodged in placements will not count as a loss out of your 10. https://twitter.com/RiotSupport/status/953476271597670402
It's alittle confusing, but as I understand it that still holds true right? It doesn't count as a loss out of the 10, but it does count as a loss, so you lose the dodge mmr for it but not an actual placement game yeah?if it puts you to 10-1 then that loss hasn't counted out of your 10 right?
: Is this Jax's real face (from God Staff Jax)? (pictures included)
Probably in a similar way to God Fist Lee Sin. It's probably is real face, but it wouldn't normally be blue/white glow-y.
MrSphex (NA)
: "Welcome to League Unlocked"?
As I understand it it's a partnership with certain PC cafes and events, where while you play at the cafe/event you have access to all champs and some XP bonuses. Afaik it'll go away once you go back to playing at home (if you ever do). https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6vsjtm/league_unlocked_suddenly_unlocked_every_champion/
Mozzie25 (OCE)
: On point description. Yet there’s still always one Yas main who thinks he’s undertuned and is all about skill
Basically if it travels it's classed as a projectile in League. So Nami ult has to travel from point A to point B and is blocked but a lux ult is not, because the laser doesn't travel, it just is. Things like Lulu W and Ziggs R are things people don't realise actually travel, it's that kinda stuff that seems to confuse people the most. Don't get me wrong though, I hate the wind wall.
Nightjar (OCE)
: unfortunately, again, that's not really reportable, nor even is it easy to determine if that was even intentional misplay, since ganking with rammus is very position dependent, since despite his insane movespeed, he lacks a dash and is weak to slows and cc. Also junglers have no inherent responsibility to gank a lane, as much as it is good habit to try to actively look for ganks.
It *is* reportable, but it depends on their reason for banning it. If you're first pick though, probably aren't all that many reasonable reasons.
: But i need to communicate with my team to win? But if thats what its going to take then fine. {{summoner:4}} {{champion:23}}
You can communicate fairly effectively with pings, but if you don't want to mute straight away, then just remember if you're going to to type something, is it kind, is it true, is it necessary? It's stricter than you really have to be, but if you're prone to negativity then it's a good way to keep yourself out of trouble. If someone is tilting you, just mute them. No amount of lost communication is going to be worth how much worse tilt makes you play, nevermind if it tempts you into negativity. If all else fails, unbind your enter key with something like auto hot key or gaming keyboard software if you have it. That way you can still read what they say but aren't tempted to type back.
: started playing during preseason
Preseason only has a minimal effect, so for the most part unless you were significantly higher or lower in preseason it'll just be normal new account placements.
ItsKyzen (OCE)
: Dumb placements
Your rank is soft reset at the start of each season from your previous end of season rank. Preseason rank changes have a minimal effect on that MMR, so you will pretty much always be placed 2-3 divs lower than where you ended the last season. Placements don't mean all that much for your MMR, they're really only a way to ensure that you are still at that level.
AlexDotP (OCE)
: nah on the part where he said hit the nail on the head, unless that means something else then my apologies for mistaking :)
"Hit the nail on the head" just means "you got that right" or "spot on". It's basically just saying your point was accurate (hit that nail right on the head, didn't miss it).
AlexDotP (OCE)
: i may be dumb but dont have to be harsh there fella :)
Harsh? All he said was he agreed with you that the reason is so that people don't try to subvert punishment by just not using particular words.
Dount (OCE)
: How does this make sense
Remember that MMR listed on sites like OP.GG *don't* use Riot's calculations, they use their own, so at best they are an estimate, and can be (especially in placements) wildly unreliable. RIot's calculations are hidden to prevent abuse of the system. That said, preseason rank has very little weighting on your MMR. As stated in the notification that popped up when season started, you will almost always end up a little lower than your previous *end of season* rank. If you were previously unranked on this account, then likely you will be placed in the realm of B1-S3. New accounts start ranked at roughly S4 MMR.
Montiness (OCE)
: Cheers Seras, you can understand the frustration. I had replied something earlier and must have been writing it at the time you posted your last response, so I'm sorry for that. I deleted it. As I said I'm quite happy to compile the list and send it through a support ticket, the report system explaination from you is appreciated. I'm sure many people like myself were of the belief that unless nearly everyone reports something, nothing gets done which is unfortunate because so many see that as an excuse to be as toxic as they like. If you wouldn't mind I would like to add you on my main and smurf accounts, as the smurfs I generally only play first win bonus atm but am looking at another as well. But it does feel good to have a game where someone actually listens, explains and can communicate the way you have here, we're all just trying to make it a happier place after all. Thank you again.
Bots are no fun to play with for anyone involved. I'm glad I could help some.
Montiness (OCE)
: ***
I am unsure who you're replying to here, but if you want more context on bots and how they're punished I would recommend reading through some of Gehirn's comments: https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-strategy/78Nvd6pV-can-we-please-just-ip-ban-players-who-use-bot-programs-to-play-the-game?comment=0000000100000000
Montiness (OCE)
: Seras, I report these players in game constantly, yet constantly come across them in games days after the report and they're still doing the same thing. That is why I posted here asking for how many reports from a single game is required for action to be taken against obvious bot users. Posting the match history was purely so that when your staff see them, they can look over and see, "yeah, that's a bot, let's do something about it" If the original question could be answered I would appreciate it, and concerning the bots, I will lodge support tickets, because all evidence so far suggests that in game reporting in games with 2+ bots results in failure. The same with offensive and innapropriate names.
>I report these players in game constantly Bot bans go out in waves, they aren't done report by report (there's a lot of them) so it can take a lil for the reports to take effect. Which is frustrating, but the team is actively pouring more effort into alleviating the bot problem at the moment. ***"I do suppose that we've been so much better and faster at addressing cheating/scripting because it has the potential to have a much more negative and larger scope of impact if not given our full attention. Whereas botting is usually at least confined to co-op games or strict MMR ranges in ARAM.*** ***To that end however, the team is actively pouring more effort into the problem, and I'm hopeful that some other stuff coming up will curb the problem."*** https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-strategy/78Nvd6pV-can-we-please-just-ip-ban-players-who-use-bot-programs-to-play-the-game?comment=0000000100000000 >how many reports Only a single valid report is necessary, but what I mentioned above is still a consideration. So far as I know the more reports against a specific player the more likely it is to be manual reviewed as well if no punishment is issued, so if it's a sneaky bot that is acting enough like a player to get by, a support ticket is probably the best way to go about it since it might be awhile before the automated picks it up. >Posting the match history I respect the effort. Compiling a list of bots isn't exactly a fun time, especially since you have to play with them, boards just isn't the place to post it. *However* it is perfect to hand to the support team a long list instead of a whole bunch of individual tickets. >If the original question could be answered Sorry I missed that when I originally read your post. I focused in on the "reporting bots" part and kind of lost the question, that's my bad, >I will lodge support tickets One thing I will mention is that due to privacy practices with accounts, support won't give you any feedback on the report, you'll get a generic "thanks for the report" ticket back. This is simply due to the fact that they can't give out info about other people's accounts to you. >The same with offensive and inappropriate names. Names are rather notoriously slow unfortunately. If you see a name that isn't being actioned, again I'd recommend submitting a ticket about it, but if you don't want to go through that effort, you're welcome to add me on League and send them through to me, and I'll report them for you since I do it myself anyways. ___ In game offences are definitely something Riot could do much better at, and bots are tricky because of how easy they are to make, and as they evolve the detection methods have to as well. Hopefully though I addressed most of your concerns. Let me know if there's anything else :)
Fitzky (OCE)
: Why the fuck does it matter when they are bot accounts? Oh no are people gonna start witchhunting bots and hurt their feelings? These aren't "players" they don't even fall into that category so why should they be treated the same?
Someone recently said "why does my report on the 1/4 intent feeder not do anything". Not as in, they intent fed, as in they had 4 deaths and that = intent feeding. The point is player side we don't have all the info. Unless you feel like going through all of those replays ofc, but even then there can be ambiguity between sophisticated bots and bad players. If it's an obvious bot, then it'll be picked up in the ban waves like anything else so long as they're reported one way or the other, and if it's a not obvious bot, only Riot has access to the info to tell for sure.
Montiness (OCE)
: Might I please ask why those names were removed, am I not allowed at all to link to obvious bots?
https://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements/BjArMH2B-boards-universal-rules >Please don't name names. If you see or hear about another person breaking the rules, send us a ticket directly so we can investigate and take action if necessary. We know that players report publicly with the best intentions, but it often leads to a witchhunt, rarely resulting in a positive discussion. We'll be taking action against players who have violated rules, so please report these players correctly. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
kQKenneth (OCE)
: Suspension and honour interaction?
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/honor It isn't explicitly stated what honour 0 will reset to, but given that level 2 simply resets to level 2, I imagine anything below will do the same. So more than likely you will be starting the season at level 0. This from the honour FAQ would also seem to support that: >Unless you were below Honor level 2 before the new season, everyone starts between Honor levels 2 and 3. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115008474148
QAPLA (OCE)
: Don't get me wrong Seras, I never use 'gay' or the 'f word' in game, because it's trouble waiting to happen. I know boundaries, and as someone who was perma-banned back in season 2 (on NA), I know how to shit-talk within the rules. I'm just worried about this PC bullshit that is affecting all media these days. Not just LoL and other games, but TV shows, movies etc. I'm about as liberal as a person can get, I even let the Jehovah's into my house to chat (and I even went to church with them), because I wan't to learn all perspectives. I'm about as open minded as a person can be, but there are limits, and Riot is crossing them.
Believe me I respect your desire to actually understand other perspectives, and to prompt others to understand yours, instead of just saying I'm right you're wrong. It's frankly refreshing in a world where people are all to eager to tell people how much better they are. I also very much appreciate that you understand restraint. If you disagree with the rules of a community you're free to do so, but surely it should be a given that if you break those rules you will eventually be removed? Some rules are more reasonable than others, but that's true of any community, from MMO guilds to bible study groups. As for Riot crossing those limits, I'm inclined to disagree. I have yet to see an actual case of someone being escalated for nothing, though I'm sure they do happen from time to time. But as I understand it you'd be in the "no specific words should be punish worthy on their own" camp? So I guess we're bound to disagree there. I agree that there *are* limits, but so far as best I can see Riot are handling things pretty well. A no tolerance stance is always risky, and you can never please everyone, but I think given the age range of this game taking a hard stance on certain things in particular isn't a bad move. Some things more than others, but we'll see how it continues to play out I guess.
QAPLA (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=9iwGR9gB,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-15T07:59:33.804+0000) > > Gay for example, it really isn't offensive anymore unless used in an explicitly offensive context, and even then, "those filthy gays" is pretty much the same as "those filthy homosexuals". I don't think we're quite there with the N word yet though. Yeah, but 'gay' is in a real grey zone. It was taken back and owned by the homosexual community, but the rest of society moved on and changed the meaning (like has been a few times over the last few hundred years with the word 'gay'). If I say to someone "nah, I don't watch that TV show, it's gay", I'm not expressing any contempt or dislike for the homosexual community. The word does not mean "I hate homosexuals", nor does it refer to homosexuals in any way. It is a plastic word that has changed meaning many times over hundreds of years. The homosexual meaning of the word 'gay' is probably the shortest lived in the history of that word, so they don't own it. FFS, gay used to mean happy. I have homosexual (gay) friends. I had a girlfriend with homosexual (gay) brothers. My cousin is homosexual (gay) and married to a guy I get along well with. I am friends with all these people, I am not homophobic. No one can tell me I'm not allowed to use the word 'gay' for something I dislike. The word '%%%g0t' though, also has had many meanings in the past, and is in the same boat. If I call someone a "%%%" I don't mean they are homosexual, I mean they are obnoxious or whatever. People can't claim words. The English language doesn't work that way. If you want to play that game, I'll claim the word "potato" as offensive to my Irish heritage, and if anyone in-game says anything about potato PC or potato net, I'll have them banned. Do you see what a slippery slope this is? [edit] Oh wait, I'm a straight white male, any abuse against me is allowed because I'm a majority.
This is true, and I think it's short history as an offensive term is largely why it was able to evolve so quickly, which isn't true of a lot of other offensive terms that either originated as slurs or have a much longer history of being one. As for the f word, it still has that association, and if you want to say someone is obnoxious, why not just say "fuck you're obnoxious" or something, it has basically the same effect, and throwing slurs around for no real reason tends to discredit a statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm of the mind that among friends, intent is everything, but as soon as you enter a public forum, you have to consider that experiences will vary massively or risk being outcast from x community. It's true that people can't claim words, as much as they might want to, and I wasn't trying to imply that, but some general situational awareness goes a long way for everyone not hating each other. That said, you're absolutely right, it's a slippery slope and we have to be careful not to let things go too far, but ofc everyone has different ideas of how far that is. And it's a fucking dumb idea that because you were born with certain advantages you don't have any valid experiences to draw from. I've never been criticised, ostracised or anything of the sort for being a gender or sexual orientation (for which I am very grateful), but that doesn't mean I've never had the asshole roommate or a struggling family relationship.
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