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Oh? are we not on the same server? I didn't know ARAM was hosted differently. So are you making a case that ARAM players are nicer than rank players? It's funny when you have nothing to add to this conversation but, go away, be silent. That demonstrated something to me, that you have no proof or a logical argument to make. Am sure you know of people who are unreasonable in a conflict. What they will do is, yell at you, then when it is your turn to let your case be known; The typical respond is GO AWAY, SHUT UP. Is that what you want to be?
lotusGOD (OCE)
: I don't make any such claim - and at what point do I blame others? How few lines in were your conclusions drawn? Please point out all of these disgusting words you refer to.
>I don't make any such claim - and at what point do I blame others? > * **we're** passionate about something, **we're going to get emotional**, and we're going to say shit and do shit we don't mean * Riot Games** has taken their "safe environment ethos" too far. Their terms and conditions is** now a violation of your freedom of expression.** * in a game in which **every player** has the ability to mute unwanted communications with a single click - should **exercising your** freedom of speech and expression really be a permanently bannable offense? > How few lines in were your conclusions drawn? I read all of it. > Please point out all of these disgusting words you refer to. **disguising**, not disgusting. You veiled your sentiment using passion and human right ethos, but the truth remain at selfish reasoning. You merely want support from others, hence you uses inclusive term such as WE, to hide your personal projection from the viewing eyes. As long as it is WE, it is not 'me'; Therefor acting on behalf of the group and not for personal vendetta. This is the image that you are trying to sell. The banner that you are trying to rally under is no more than a victim hood mentality. If you had been wrongfully punished, that is a call to action. But when you know full well of what your are doing, and what at stakes; Yet did it any way then dressed it up as political agenda, it's rather pathetic. The kind that ignored all the signs and only complain when things goes wrong. Where were your voice in the issue before all of this? Not like you were the 1st to be struck, does it only matter now that you got hit? > I don't make any such claim Your implication of the matter is the claim. Even though you are trying to be cunning about it. > In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. That is funny, are you thinking in depth when you swear at those players? Or do you like to use decorative words to hide your true intention. Why don't you post your chat log eh? Let see if you put much thought in your insults, or pure rage.
Joxy (OCE)
: Riot Games violate human rights by advocating social justice warrior ideology
Freedom of speech is a right to express your opinions on an issue. It's not there so you can throw profanity at others without care. Am seeing a lot of disguising words at hand here. You make yourself out to be passionate and all caring, then shift the blame to everyone else. You have all the making of a typical far left leaning individual.
WiFilter (OCE)
: old data doesnt even make sense..... old players left, the player base is now attended to casual or new players... what i need is season 9 data, and you have none
...Why don't i point out all the flaws in your thought process eh? [snip] > old data doesnt even make sense..... old players left, the player base is now attended to casual or new players... Old data is a indicator of where you were, and how far you have come along. Everything in between is a display of progress, stagnation, and diminishing statistics. By looking at past events, one can understand the contributing factors to success and failure. If you claimed "old players" have left, and yet provided no statistic of HOW MANY in comparison to the whole; No one in their right mind can take you seriously. You have no information of past and current. Yet CONTRADICTED yourself by saying. > **old players left**, the **player base is now attended to casual or new players** what i need is** season 9 data**, and you have none... You need season 9 data? _Don't you have it already?_ on your 2nd line of text, you've claimed to know the current population's situation; Now, one cant make such a claim without information right? All am asking is a week worth of information collecting. Not a month, not a year, not two year, A WEEK. Can you do it or not? All your words so far is merely falsifying facts for theatrical purposes.
WiFilter (OCE)
: same can be apply to you, i dont believe ur main is only playing arams...if so all your bullshit doesnt apply since you dont even play to know the situation
A lot accusations is going on with that one comment there. Do you think am afraid of speaking out? So much so, that i would use your tactic? If you have any analytical skill at all, you wouldn't have arrived at that conclusion. Check out my LOL's history from season 2 up til now. If your conclusion is still the same, then i would pity you. > if so all your bullshit doesnt apply since you dont even play to know the situation What make you think you know the situation better? Evidently, you are in hiding; And for all the finger pointing, you have not display any credible supporting info. If the problem are in abundance as you have claimed, then it should be no problem to collect 1 week worth of statistical data. Right? In the instance of you don't know how to form a portfolio to represent your case; Reply here and I'll walk you through it.
WiFilter (OCE)
: dont mind him..hes always defensive on this type of topics....regardless
Rich words, coming from a guy that post using his alias account.
: > [{quoted}](name=Seras Dragon,realm=OCE,application-id=FjGAIbRv,discussion-id=MGYb0THk,comment-id=00010000000000000003000000040000,timestamp=2019-07-01T11:23:59.509+0000) > > After actually looking it up, you are in fact correct. I didn't learn the term from League, and it was colloquial slang to begin with. Certainly, in some games it has become synonymous with alt account, which can definitely be misleading. I shall have to revise my wording in future it seems. so u are just too stupid to understand why are they smurfing or boosting
The tendency to seek approval from others using superiority display is a commonality in us all. But at what point does it become too much to bear? Perhaps in cases where a reward of value is involve, the act of smurfing can be seen as an exploitation. I don't know the context behind your outrage, but if you are referencing solo Q. The incentive for them to do so, is driven by emotional enthusiasm, short and not long term. The chances of you encountering enough of these players to 'gate keep' you from reaching silver is REALLY, REALLY LOW. You see, the different between a booster and a smurf is separated by a thin line. The big factor lie in the fact the booster aim is to reach a certain rank. While the smurf is merely playing a few games to get his dopamine kick going. Banning or even attempting to ban these players on the charge of corrupting the ranking is tricky business. How often are they playing?, are they breaking any rules? such as boosting, and importantly how can the system know for sure this player is a smurf?, someone level a new account to play rank, is that a bannable offense? Things are not so simple as it is for you to say, ban, and that is that. Lots of proof checking are needed.
: i agree with you i can only play around the times that normals draft is not on so 1am-9am and all i see are players with none english names that troll feed int an flame and its getting beyond a joke
Can you provide more details? Which game mode, why are they feeding, and your match history. Having these information would prove useful when searching for an answer.
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> [REMOVED] Does that make my statement less effective? Am not calling him a lair, I'm simply asking for attestation to the claim. When he is using 'we' as a rallying cry, wouldn't it add weight to his assertion if there were some sort of data? Unless you think trial by public opinion is the way to go about solving the issue. No proof, no process, just accusation and condemnation?
: Chinese rampancy needs to be dealt with - ASAP
Draft a list and start collecting supporters. "We" is a hollow term without proof of unity.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheDemonEmperor,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=u4IgxNzd,comment-id=000c000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-01T07:54:05.512+0000) > > I'll address each of those in order. You cant show, because you don't have it. All you have is your personal experiences, and you are imposing it on everyone else. > > Statistic is a form of collective data, in which the observer can view and speculate the flux of positive and negative to get an understanding of the changes. Without such a crucial information, your claim is as good as an opinion. All talk. > > The negative experience is no where near your description. Out of 7 matches, i MIGHT get one guy who talk too much and get agitated too quickly. But overall, normal. > > Riot is a gaming company NOT a psychology clinic. What position are they in to force anything on their player base?! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! > > We already have a system! And i hate to repeat myself to such a blatantly ignorant question, one that deliberately by pass what i have already mentioned. So go back and read what I've wrote. > > You don't know anything about operating a company. Why assume so much? Your arrogant is doing all the talking for you, but sadly it cant think very effectively. > > It's funny how you pretend to know the problem, yet you cant produce even the lowest quality of an answer. Why is that? > > This is noise you are making. No evidence or even a resemblance of such a thing, and yet you keep projecting your view as fact. Sorry this post isn't for you personally to understand where I'm coming from. Hence the reason I don't give a fuck about producing "evidence" to prove shit. Riot already have the evidence. Stop trying to down play that there is a fucked up problem in OCE. Your ignorance is almost the same as Riots. Yes Riot is not a psychology clinic, I didn't claim it to be. Read what I fucken said " Riot "ARE" in a position to persuade or encourage...". Obviously you haven't been through much of the bullshit most of us have been through. So this post isn't for you. In other words, go back to General Chat or where ever the fuck it is you spend your time. While you're at it, do you understand that its better for business, for Riot to have toxic players buying shit from their stores, than it is to have toxic players banned and not buying. You really think you're the only one that knows how business operates zzz.
> Obviously you haven't been through much of the bullshit most of us have been through Using inclusive langue, yet only speaking from within; You might be able to fool newbies with that sale pitch. But man oh man, it's kinda hard to buy into it, when all you have is words and nothing else. > Stop trying to down play that there is a fucked up problem in OCE. Stop **exaggerating **for attention. > Read what I fucken said " Riot "ARE" in a position to persuade or encourage...". I've read what you said, and my point remained. You can't stop someone who don't care about the consequences. > While you're at it, do you understand that its better for business, for Riot to have toxic players **buying shit from their stores**, than it is to have toxic players banned and** not buying**. With a mind set like that, it is no wonder you can create such an absurd demand in the 1st place. Can't provide statistic OF ANY KIND. Then continue to bring up numerical reasoning. To add on an ounce of logic, if Riot didn't ban toxic players, then the majority of their clientele would QUIT BY NOW. Or are you willing to argue the majority of the players now are a pernicious bunch; And only people like you are the few remaining good guys? Could it be. You have the details of players that should've been ban, but didn't due to their expenditure in the game? Go ahead and give proof. It's getting rather tiresome for me to look at your imagination. > You really think you're the only one that knows how business operates zzz. Oh? If you claim to understand how business work. Why can't you understand that it would be bad for business if undesirable situations persist; And it would be best for continuation's sake to solve the issue asap? If the situation you've describe is REALITY, the game would been shut down due to ethical negligence ages ago. Ever heard of Duty of care? My definition of toxic, and your must be totally opposite. Give me an insight of what you deem as toxic.
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____________________________ And to the mod that've removed my post. Try to debate with me your reasoning. It is rather lacking when all you've emphasized was "relatively borderline". I want to understand if i was being presumptuous, or you, who cant differentiate between free speech and your own sensitivity. **HeartVine **look at the rules yea? I'll even highlight it for you. Under **this** set of conduct. Which you've used to validate your deed. ________________ Don’t be a jerk Moderators will **take action against the following**: Players posting content that would seen as **extremely offensive** to others Players attacking an individual or group in a way that could be **considered severe** Players making** baseless complaints** or **contesting private matters** that isn't relevant to an active discussion _______________________ Point out and compare where i went wrong. And if you cant, restore it back. I don't mind being wrong, But i hate power abuser like you the most.
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>i'm talking about when a person or certain cliques try to dictate and specifically try to exclude others from things. not because they've crossed some line in terms of anti-social behaviour, but because they simply can not handle having to interact or be seen associating with 'different' looking or minded people. Goes both ways, your statement. Nubrac clearly cant handle people who don't want him to troll. He simply doing what he want, because he don't care about other people's circumstance. Was that fair? No, so again, tell me why do you draw such a flimsy comparison. While talking about acceptance, you've ALSO ignored what it mean to be accepted. You are willing to defense Nubrac, because you viewed what he was doing is harmless and none disruptive; And you want people to tolerate his actions, yet failed to understand he is not giving the same courtesy to others. Why should they be kind to him, while he trample all over them? Can you put yourself in the shoe of the person who is on his promotion and get Nubrac's Teemo? > in regards to sport, your comment would suggest you have not played much sport if you **think that there aren't individual personalities** on a team that may not be particularly pleasant. there is plenty of egos and narcissism. have you never heard of the term 'ball hog'? **there are teammates that are heaps critical, heaps negative, there are others that are generally all around 'good teammates'**. I don't know what kind of coach is doing the discipline in your team, but petition to replace him, sound like a play for fun type of team. Arrogant in sport are only privileged to the genius level talent; That mean that player is the team. Otherwise the coaches and staffs will put a stop to the lone player's foolish delusion. Hogging the ball in sport is the same as telling the opposition to mark your ass and take you out. Better be really skillful or you're gonna look like a fool. The coach are in charge of planing, they will tell you what you should do, and where you should be, and who you should mark. You can adapt while playing, but never change the game plan. Because the team wont know wtf you are doing. You'll be doing it all alone. While everyone else on your team will be thinking to themselves, wtf is that guy doing. He is messing up our game plans. Then lets see how long you'll last in the team. > they either deal with it or 1 person quits. nobody gets kicked out for any of these reasons. **Sound like **there is no coach, no leadership, and you guys are probably playing for fun and not serious about competing. Or i could be wrong, and you guys just pay a lot of money to be there, so they let the situation go on. > you never said you want him banned because of his specific cases where he crossed the line. which is what he has been punished for. you want him banned simply because 'people dont like him'. And when bad behaviors gathered enough attentions, there will be new law to oppose it. I don't even think you are reading what I've wrote in full. I've already explained this before when i mention loop hole. > as always you come up with bullshit analogies in your logic. 'this is why society has prospered because we don't tolerate bad behaviour' problem is we are not talking about 'bad behaviour'. this discussion has been about** tolerating different people and personalities**. They are not BS analogies. Behaviors such as Nubrac deprive from intolerant and personality. They linked together into a chain reaction. **If you can't see through his basic scheme**, then here are some of the jobs that are not meant for you: Lawyer, Judge, doctor, nurse, security guard, police, psychologist, intelligence analyst, ETC... > who are you to judge certain 'styles' as 'good' or 'bad'. it's actually the opposite of what you are trying to insinuate. we have prospered as a society because we do, **as time passes, tolerate differences and influence each other**. unfortunately as humans we still have a long way to go in this regard It is not i that judge, it is **the people** that deem it to be so. If you were to run a company or a nation with that mindset. All you are is a free for all steak, ready to be share among the wolfs. > you need different minded people to grow. True, one need to know both the good and the bad in order to allocate oneself accordingly. > another irony here(your arguments seem to have a lot) is that western society is largely driven by narcissism and greed. And where did i wrote such a sentiment? Please quote me, i cant recall. Don't project your view unto me, then tell me it's coming from my mouth. > i have never defended any** specific instance of him targeting someone**. there just was not any evidence of this until now apparently. it's been made clear (or at least claimed) that he INDEED has been banned for specific instances of behaviour,** not for his overall style**. The visual are plenty clear for what has occurred. His so call style is not a play style, but a method for him to **gain attention**. He is doing so to boost his streaming career. Once you understand that, then you can see through the game play and look at his intention. Beneath those denials and practice lies he preach. He know EXACTLY what he was doing. > my main issue now is why was there such a disproportionate effort now that certain personalities became involved, which resulted in a big backflip of their original investigations (because apparently certain 'evidence' was ignored previously because not the same amount of effort is made when its 'normal' people having an issue)? Dude, it not easy to find a job at riot, and being a measly grunt in the company, would you risk getting fired for not following procedures? Just because a supposes friend call you for a idiotic favor? If the decision come from Riot the company, than it is different in comparison to the "Riot friend". I don't have the details, but an educated guess would be either a lot more complains after NB3, or NB3's complain was the feather that broke the camel's back. > nb3 would have been punished immediately. his behaviour was literally on display. but no, it took community pressure for it to happen. it comes back to the OP's post. 'streamers can get people banned?". it's perception that matters. Will league of legend die off if NB3 stop playing the game? once you find the answer, then you will understand the situation. > . so they made him a poster boy. those are 2 very big extremes. that shows no credibility or that they were ever genuine in the first place (it also shows that they miscalculate things). do you even watch tyler1? overall he has not actually changed. When you said has not changed, are you making a comparison to when he got banned? If you are, then yes that would be unfair. If he is doing things that might get him ban, that is another matter altogether. Technically, he received a game banned. Since they've removed it, he can still get ban like anyone else, just not exile, like in the past. > he still does the same stuff on stream. so why does riot now want to associate itself with that? i mean, he literally calls the company trash... Post proof of him running it down intentionally losing, and telling people to kill themselves like he did in the past. From the time his ban was lifted. Any of it will do. I'll be on the fence til i see some convincing proof.
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> lmao so you think because i comment on the nastiness of people in 'social circles' it means i dont go out or have no relationships. Yea, because your concept is so lacking; It sounded like you have little idea of what you are talking about. It's mostly pretentious cases and weak reasoning. Like you have not experience it on a personal level, but living it vicariously. > i comment on it because i saw it happen to others first hand and hated being involved in any way. im not talking about people connecting with others based on similar interests etc. im talking about the intentional efforts of some to exclude others from 'public' events, solely based on them not being the 'same' as a particular person or a group of persons. When they are not being a nuisance and not acting out of line, they have all the right to be there. If they want to be a free spirit and treat everyone else as a tool and disregard etiquette. Then we have a problem. Just like Nubrac. > , other times it was because these people felt 'awkward' around them (eg this happened to some of the 'nerdy' type at uni, it also happened to some of the more 'outspoken' and critical people). if you feel awkward and uncomfortable around people that are different at networking events, then that means you are the issue, not them. Jesus Christ. This is exactly the kind of thing i was referring to, when i said you don't understand how social circle function. Everyone will find their own group to be apart of. Break them down to any category you like. But fundamentally it is ALL THE SAME. Selection and familiarity. We select and we leave with our selection. > look at sport for example, something a bit more comparable to league. i played on proper teams, i also played social sport where you are kinda playing with randoms. you don't exclude someone from it simply because you don't like them or because they are a bad teammate. you have to deal with it like adults or choose not to participate if it is that much of an issue for you. When you are referring to BAD, are you talking about skill or behavior? Unless everyone on your team is mister "Yes man", then am sure the badly behave guy will get KICK OUT. You think Nubrac wont get booted if he act like that playing sport? Why are you posing such a weak scenario. > in THIS case, you were literally saying that this person should be banned because he is a narcissistic bad teammate that makes people uncomfortable in some way because of his personality and/or playstyle. **that alone is not a reason to ban/exclude someone from this service.** we were talking about his **overall match history**, not specific instances of targeted intentional griefing that may have occurred (which is what he is apparently been punished for). That alone is the reason why society is prosperous. We didn't build a civilization thank to tolerating bad behaviors. His overall reports was stacked high enough to warrant a ban. But what does that matter to you right? You're already in a hole too deep to climb out, might as well defend Nubrac til the bitter end. > now in terms of nb3s ban, yet again you miss the issue/point entirely. no shit riot issued him a punishment because people called for it. the issue is, which goes all the way back to the original OPs post, **why was he not punished immediately**? I can offer a reason on top of my head. His REPORT STACK WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH! Riot only paid attention after receiving numerous complains. Funny how the word **numerous **work yea? >imagine if nubrac got permmed for this, but then he became incredibly popular. watch them change their tune quickly when money starts getting involved. **remind you of anyone else**? Must be great living life thinking on one layer at a time. Tyler1 now, is not the same Tyler1 he was in the past. Thus riot gave him a chance, and he took that chance and didn't betray the company's trust. Don't just craft a narrative and skip all the details, it is very deceptive.
: I don't need to show you shit, You don't need statistics, just jump the fuck on LoL and find out for yourself. My original post explains it all. The root of the fucken problem is "Attitude". Riot "ARE" in a position to persuade or encourage a better nature but they fucken don't. OPL and server maintenance is the only two areas where riot seems to focus all their attention. For as long as this problem is around, this region as a whole won't be anything but a wildcard region sad to say. Plus this isn't "noise" I'm just making, obviously if I wanted an answer I could just email their support team, which I won't because of their bullshit copy & paste replies. Riot needs to get off it's high horse and come down to its community to solve the issue, hence why I've posted here.
> I don't need to show you shit, You don't need statistics, just jump the fuck on LoL and find out for yourself. I'll address each of those in order. You cant show, because you don't have it. All you have is your personal experiences, and you are imposing it on everyone else. Statistic is a form of collective data, in which the observer can view and speculate the flux of positive and negative to get an understanding of the changes. Without such a crucial information, your claim is as good as an opinion. All talk. The negative experience is no where near your description. Out of 7 matches, i MIGHT get one guy who talk too much and get agitated too quickly. But overall, normal. > The root of the fucken problem is "Attitude". Riot "ARE" in a position to persuade or encourage a better nature but they fucken don't. Riot is a gaming company NOT a psychology clinic. What position are they in to force anything on their player base?! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! We already have a system! And i hate to repeat myself to such a blatantly ignorant question, one that deliberately by pass what i have already mentioned. So go back and read what I've wrote. > OPL and server maintenance is the only two areas where riot seems to focus all their attention. For as long as this problem is around, this region as a whole won't be anything but a wildcard region sad to say. You don't know anything about operating a company. Why assume so much? Your arrogant is doing all the talking for you, but sadly it cant think very effectively. It's funny how you pretend to know the problem, yet you cant produce even the lowest quality of an answer. Why is that? > Plus this isn't "noise" I'm just making, obviously if I wanted an answer I could just email their support team, which I won't because of their bullshit copy & paste replies. Riot needs to get off it's high horse and come down to its community to solve the issue, hence why I've posted here. This is noise you are making. No evidence or even a resemblance of such a thing, and yet you keep projecting your view as fact.
: After 8 months, no one here still has a proper fucken solution?
Your request is as thoughtless as your understanding of the issue. Is there a problem, yes? is it as bad as you've claimed? I don't know. Show me some statistics; Cite the source and it credibility. From a general perspective, you want a gaming company to have a social reform? Just think about it for a few mins. Riot can't fix attitude problem of people, OK? Things like that are too complex to even attempt. The only ground any reasonable decree will have, is law and punishment. However those are there to keep the neutral and lawful citizens in line. The criminal type on the other hand, ignore the consequences altogether. They live by the creed of, it's not a crime until you get caught. We will always have law breakers. Like it or not, this is reality. If your whole point is to emphasise the problem of trolls and toxic players has reach such an immensity, then come with evidence. Otherwise, you are not making a point; Just noise.
: how is it unbalanced if everyone can do it? there's nothing stopping everyone on the map from having many synergies going so that becomes the aim of the game and that one guy who got a guinsoo's rageblade after the first minion round now only has a slight advantage because the item has less overall impact in the face of the synergies that take over the game.
> how is it unbalanced if everyone can do it? Then why are you here complaining about luck? Everyone have the potential to get what they want, but some get there faster by being lucky; Exactly like how things are now. Think about it a bit more OK?
: suggestion to make tft less luck based
Wow man, you don't even understand your own idea create the most imbalance mechanic only the lucky few can have. Imagine this. 2 Nobles at 3stars, + 2 Imperials 2stars, + 2 Wilds 2 stars, need i go on? <--- Look at that OP combination; With only 6 champs!! Your initial idea is so bad, it is down right UNBALANCE.
: what does different positioning do my champs just jump at random places of the map when game starts
: firstly i dont know why you bring up tos. tos means literally nothing and riot does not need an actual reason to ban someone. they can do what ever they want. you dont actually need to be breaking any rules to get banned. if you dont understand this is all a big PR stunt to make it look like they punish trolls then idk what else to say to you. even further proved by the fact they caved into pressure, and again, banned nb3 for PR reasons. 2ndly, sure if people dont like you they can choose to not play with you ie not duo with you or in this case, dodge a solo queue game if they see you in it. but trying to get someone banned from an online service entirely just because you don't like them is a false equivalency. that ends up being a form of bullying. it just like in real life. if you don't like somebody, and they are attending some event, then it's on you to either not go or to suck it up like an adult. you can't be trying to remove said person from event. i remember nasty people like you at university. they would try to exclude certain people from a certain uni society's events and meetings, simply because they didn't like them. it's on you to exclude yourself if you can't handle someone you don't like being there. not be immature and 'ban' them when they have every right to be there. ironically they were the ones creating a toxic environment, not the 'unlikeable' people.
> but trying to get someone banned from an online service entirely just because you don't like them is a false equivalency. A customer can be ask to leave if they are disturbing everyone else. This is simply removing the one to appease the many. > that ends up being a form of bullying. Speaking for Nubrac, or against Nubrac? Hard to tell. > if you don't like somebody, and they are attending some event, then it's on you to either not go or to suck it up like an adult. Riot is a company, their job is to keep the masses satisfy. This is not on a personal level. > i remember **nasty people like you** at university. they would try to exclude certain people from a certain uni society's events and meetings, simply because they didn't like them. Drawing a line between right and wrong, is not the same as turning people away in the name of justice. Big different, k? I don't know which context your reference is coming from. Creating a blockage or whatever form of obstruction; That is solely on the university campus to do something about it. The fact that they didn't take action or unable to. Speak volume about the leading figures, they've pretty much allowed it to fester. Just like now Nubrac was allow to initiate and persist his disguised parade of "Off meta" theatrical play; **UNTIL the masses complains**, leading up to the ban. You aligning my reasoning to those naive university students, is quite the insult. And proof, of a lack of understanding. > not be immature and 'ban' them when they have every right to be there. ironically they were the ones creating a toxic environment, not the 'unlikeable' people. When one person is disturbing everyone else, that said person is not welcome to be among those that play to the civility of the rules. This is a basic concept which are taught socially from exposure to environments such as, education, friends, work place, social gathering, and relationship. How can you expect Riot to let him go unchallenged? What about other people's complains? What make Nubrac worth more than the many? > ironically **they **were the ones creating a toxic environment It seem to me you've bought in to this notion of injustice, from looking at ONE CASE, his game with NB3. Why don't you look for more examples then see if your stance is still the same. You are not defending a right done wrong here. You are protecting a scheme that is beyond a naive comprehension.
skrimohanad (EUNE)
: to be honest i did not think RIOT will do this
> why USA government do this to us Iran shot down US navy's air drone and it was taken as an act of aggression. Syria and Iran are close ally, there will be more restriction in this up coming cold war. Sorry to be the bearer of bad new, but this is beyond Riot. This is an executive order of political nature. > that is Racism to all syrian ???????????????????????? Blame your government. They want war and they'll soon get it.
: If you believe this chat log equals a deserved ban you surely must be a very sensitive individual.
Your feeling was hurt because the ADC called you a troll. And am the sensitive one? You've also undermined any attempt to win just so you can get your petty revenge. From leaving the ADC, to constantly jabbing him with annoyances and still you don't understand the reason for the ban?? Do you kiss yourself in front of the mirror too?
: https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=justletmefarmffs also my match history, carrying every single game right now. but hey, riot bans the people who wants to win.
Is there anything you think you've said, that could've gotten you punished? Anything at all? I'll give you a chance to reflect. If you cant, i'll point them out for you.
: Should I stop playing?
> * **improve **at league, I wanted to eventually **stream **the games I played as well. * barely has mastered champs is **better then me** * **kept joking** around with me saying they are ** better then me** and all that shit. Those points that stand out to me and the key words that I've highlighted. Are the problems regarding your inner turmoil. You yourself know that your ability are inferior even when compared to a small circle of friends. The chances of making it big and play well enough to attract viewers is merely wishful thinking. And yet, streaming is not about how capable one play, but rather how interesting one can be. However, you’ve failed to mention how well your entertainment skills would place you among the ranking. Was this on purpose, because it slip your mind? or was it not worth mentioning. If you don't have neither the skills nor the personality to attract viewers, the logical conclusion would be dropping your preset goal. When you’ve brought up, your friends are better than you, **twice**. Would it be fair to say they've also mocked your idea of becoming a streamer and giving good performance? Generally people don't mock other, if they know the person have the capability to reach their goal. Or, the person is humble and not boastful. Am getting a sense of you boasting to them at the beginning and when they've overtaken you, you are now the butt of the joke. This has nothing to do with league. But rather your friends words are now starting to hurt your feelings and you don't know how to convey it to them. Perhaps you thought the quickest ways to be rid of their insults is by stop playing the game. To sum it up, tell your friends or whatever they are to you; To stop teasing you. That will make your problem go away and you wont feel like shit when you lose. Also, you might wanna stop boasting, if you are doing that.
: where is there a rule that states the support has to sit in bot lane? why can't he support one of the other 2 lanes? i agree with you that it can be frustrating in a solo queue environment. but that is only because people have been programmed into a certain way to play. at the end of the day it's on them if they can't handle it. there's so much shit that is BAD and creates negativity. so you're logic suggests that it should all be banned. that's fine, but then proper rules need to be laid out as to what can be played where, what can be built on what champion etc. like really, i hate seeing a vayne top on my team. it never works, and it's always some narcissistic kid playing it. so i guess it should be banned? either i need to accept that a person can play it and that there is a chance i will run into it in a solo queue environment where it is not pre planned amongst 5 players on a team, or riot needs to prohibit it from the get go because it then forces their teammates to play differently and causes negativity. again, you say because people don't like him as a teammate? so what? that's not a reason to be banned. that's life. that's what i mean by personality. if he's an egotistical know it all, well so be it. if he does his own thing, and not be a team player, so be it. you can't want someone banned simply because you don't like them lmao. he needs to be breaking specific rules. so if his personaliy, for eg, means he is typing certain words constantly that are prohibited, then yeah you can ban him for that. but you're just doing what you usually do on these forums, and call for people being banned simply because you don't agree with them or like them. again, in terms of his 'strat', he was deemed to be not breaking the rules, until now. if riot is gonna change the rules, fine, but they better be consistent with it.
> there's so much shit that is BAD and creates negativity. so you're logic suggests that it should all be banned. that's fine, but then proper rules need to be laid out as to what can be played where Look, the issue here is when you are playing with others and you only want to do things you like; Then for sure people wont invite you again. The concept here is continuation. He is at a tier where the players are few and the chance of the same encounter are numerous. So if he consistently want to persist his style, knowing how many hate it. He should not be surprise about the negative result. He want to look for a loop hole to annoy others, congrats! he found it. Then after riot keep getting stacks of reports, they have to use unconventional mean to satisfy their other clients. >again, you say because people don't like him as a teammate? so what? that's not a reason to be banned. And why not? Riot have the TOS, it is within their boundary to do just that. He is creating many unpleasant games for many players, when confronted with the issue, he dressed it up as "Viable off meta". The only ones having fun are the enemy team and himself. > he needs to be breaking specific rules. so if his personaliy, for eg, means he is typing certain words constantly that are prohibited, then yeah you can ban him for that. but you're just doing what you usually do on these forums, and call for people being banned simply because you don't agree with them or like them. That's what it mean to find a loop hole. He took advantage of it while having fun at other's expense. Do you think the guy is as innocent as his baby face suggest? For every complaint he received, he gave a come back of why he know better. Days after days, more and more people words of disapproval stacked up. And he still persist in his ways. All for what? so he can be unique, so he can stand out. The guy constantly voiced his fascination of wanting to be different from others, like he is tired of no one is looking at him or something. > for people being banned simply because you don't agree with them or like them. In life if people don't like you, they have the option of isolating you from the group. If this is what Nubrac is practicing toward, then go for it.
: you act like both of those things (being a bad player and narcissistic) don't go hand in hand. being a bad player can include being a bad teammate, team player etc. it's not just about micro and macro skill.... point is, it's not bannable and shouldn't be. like you can't just start banning people because of their personality lmao. it's a game where you are matched with randoms, you are going to come across people who have egos and think they are good when they aren't. this happens pretty much every match anyway lol. point is the 'strat' or whatever u want to call is legit. legit in terms of, it's something this person is trying to do in order to win. he isn't doing it purely for shits and giggles and to specifically troll and grief people. him thinking he's god and that everyone should listen to him is irrelevant. he does make a great point that, people sperging out because it's different, is on them. again, it's a game with randoms. you are going to play with people of different playstyles, skill, temperament, mental game etc. like i could argue that my support who likes to play passively, when i like to play aggressively is tilting, therefore im being griefed because this is not a desirable team mate. but obviously that is not how it works and would be stupid to say. besides, riot themselves said they had already 'investigated' and concluded he wasn't doing anything wrong. but you know, when a content creator with a sizeable following complains the rules change. even more questionable when he says shit like "my riot friend". but we all know how inconsistent riot is and how they massively back flip on things if they think it will suit them. (cough tyler1 cough)
> like you can't just start banning people because of their personality lmao. It depend on what you mean by personality. Are you using it in the concept of displaying it facially, Or acting it out? A negative respond will beget a similar act in kind. He has gathered a long list of reports and so he received his just reward. What is there not to understand? > point is the 'strat' or whatever u want to call is legit. legit in terms of, it's something this person is trying to do in order to win. You can spin it however you want, when all is said and done and the wheel stop turning. The crux of the matter is, his game style put his team mate in a disadvantage position and give them antagonizing experience. And of course, as long as he covered all of that with a thin veil of "Am trying to win", this is suppose to nullify all the negativity he has created? > he isn't doing it purely for shits and giggles and to specifically troll and grief people. He doing this because the kid clearly wasn't being taught the golden rule of, is not about winning, is how you play the game. If you don't understand what this mean, reply and quote. I'll explain what it mean to you. > people sperging out because it's different, is on them. again, it's a game with randoms. you are going to play with people of different playstyles, skill, temperament, mental game etc. It's not just different, it is also **bad**. Understand? > like i could argue that my support who likes to play passively, when i like to play aggressively is tilting, therefore im being griefed because this is not a desirable team mate. That is a weak argument. Whether you and your support synergies well or not, is not even on the same page as Nubrac. He is forcing others to be what HE WANT THEM TO BE. There is no choice but to comply. Look at all those games when he went mid and top as a support. What are they suppose to do? Chase him off? They cant! No matter how unpleasant this guy is, you have to play it out. Same with his ADC. How can the 2 scenarios converge as you've described? As much of a coward the support is, at least he held your hand and do his job. While Nubrac forced 2 solo lanes into a off role bottom lane. And not to mention he only build DPS items on Teemo and not a single warding item! And we all know how shit an unfed Teemo can be. > besides, riot themselves said they had already 'investigated' and concluded he wasn't doing anything wrong. but you know, when a content creator with a sizeable following complains the rules change. Oh please, the balloon pumped with ego and knotted cord made out of arrogant know as NB3. Is not the sole reason Nubrac got banned. Nubrac wrongs are more selfish leaning. It might not be a total disaster, but sure as hell not many want to be his team mate.
: so using your logic, anyone with a 50 or lower win rate should be banned, because whatever play style/strat/champ they are playing is not working and can be construed as griefing their teammates. the owner of echo fox should be banned, mains lucian with a horrible win rate. the guy is griefing his teammates.
> so using your logic, anyone with a 50 or lower win rate should be banned, because whatever play style/strat/champ they are playing is not working and can be construed as griefing their teammates. You are pushing passed what I've said by a LARGE margin. No, that is not the point am making. Those who've played with him, the majority of them hate to be his team mate. And whenever Nubrac play style is being criticised; The narcissistic side come out and he override their concerns with, they're not giving him a chance, they are not doing what he want them to do, and list of reasons of what he is doing will land the team victory. Do you understand the different between a bad player, and one who act like he is the main character and he know best, therefor whatever he does should be taken as the holy grail?
Nightjar (OCE)
: The fact that it's a coin toss, means that statistically he's losing to the enemy support in value around half the time, or beating the value of the enemy support half the time. Statistically, it means that at that elo, with his playstyle, his Teemo pick is viable. Sure not the best for climbing, his Ammumu or Leona are probably what he uses to climb, but it isn't just an inting strat, it has merit, it does perform.
> The fact that it's a coin toss, means that statistically he's losing to the enemy support in value around half the time, or beating the value of the enemy support half the time. Not at all. At a 48% win rate, it's meant that whatever he does he is not doing it well. Am sure there are matches where he excel, but on the grand scale of things; The guy is creating problems the way he choose to go about it. When you're referring to beating the value of the enemy support, yes it can be, for a small % out of those wins. But would it be fair to say the other parts could include his team played better, the enemy make mistakes, and among other things? I would go so far as to say. You can replace him with anyone else of similar rank, and his team would still win. That is how little his contribution matter. > Statistically, it means that at that elo, with his playstyle, his Teemo pick is viable. I would like to reiterate my point of, some of his wins are a contribution of him playing well. But overall, he is not a desirable team mate. Replace him with anyone else of similar ability and you would still have a reasonably high chance to produce the win. > but it isn't just an inting strat, it has merit, it does perform. The problem is not if it can perform. The problem is on the low performance rate and how frustrating it is to be his team mate.
Nightjar (OCE)
: I wouldn't say 48% is significantly more losses than wins. You can even climb with that kind of win rate, or at the very least stagnate in an elo. You have to admit, whilst it isn't going to let him climb much higher, it's viable in his current elo. By my reckoning a support teemo in that plat-diamond elo should be rocking something like a 30% winrate, so his playstyle has some merit.
https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=nubrac What kept him in the ELO bracket is his Amumu and Leona. **Not Teemo**. Take a glance at his stats on those 2 champs, and you will understand why. His game play contribution on Teemo is no more than a coin toss. The game is decided on which team mate can carry him. If he only play Teemo, he would be much lower.
: Wait, streamers can get people banned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-NG6j2sA After some reviewing and thinking. I'll say this Nubrac is straight up a narcissistic fellow. Don't be fool by his buzz word of off meta. Just take a look at how he perform in game. As a Teemo support all he does is stacking DPS items, low lane pressure and lack of warding. Imagine if you are his ADC and this fool just leave you for 5mins level 1 to go roam top and mid. You are now zone out of lane with low income. And this is him being standard. There are games he would go mid and be the support. Which is foolish. The mid and top lane are the 2 roles that benefit greatly from high lv for reasons such as dueling, split push, ETC... Instead he goes there to soak EXP, and pretend it is for the greater good. His version of greater good is built on his self admiration. His win rate on Teemo is 48%, 441 games played. As you can see, he loses way more than he wins. As much as he like to think it is working and he is a pioneer of great things to come. The true of the matter is, he love himself too much to see the wrongs. NB3 is not a great character either, he is a pretentious little man. Back when he has low self esteem it kept his true nature from surfacing. I'll bet. When things goes wrong in his life; The 1st thing he will do is blame someone else for it, and since he is a victim, his outrage is justify. They are both at fault. And should both be punish.
: holy shit, you are 1 billion times more toxic in 1 game than my 2 accounts that JUST got perm banned. i dont understand this bullshit at all. mine also said it was from player review, less than 30 seconds AFTER THE LAST GAME PLAYED! like wtf? thats gotta be a lie right? its like they forget this is OCE and has AUSTRALIA here. swearing is the first thing kids are bloody taught!
> its like they forget this is OCE and has AUSTRALIA here. swearing is the first thing kids are bloody taught! That said a lot about how you are being raised. But too bad that isn't how society is.
TwerkWDF (OCE)
: ***
Boy oh boy. You really want to be pointed out eh? Alright. > They should honestly review my games and see the banter What define a banter? It can be a negative and positive exchanges of words. Often in the form of jest and joke, used in a friendly manner. If you are claiming that your bantering was in the spirit of fun and goes no further than teasing. Why can't you post your chat log, and give explanation as to which negative comment directed at: who, why, and the intention behind it?? Show the people those words that landed you the **TWO **permanent suspension, was indeed jokes, dark humor, ETC... Why do you run and run, and insisted on a 1 on 1 conversation privately? I have a theory. Perhaps it is easier to fool one person than several.
Nightjar (OCE)
: 2nd of all, it's not that hard to find people swearing in 'chinese', but often it's just immature little douches who think they're so smart with their google translate.
3rd point. Of course there are cases of toxic Chinese players, no doubt about that. But we need to get into the details in order to understand the situation. Some? Majority? All? I don't know, the people who complains don't know. There is not enough evidence to form a conclusive statement, suggesting the toxicity out of Chinese players are becoming a problem. Hence, i don't understand why people are using "Chinese" as an umbrella term, without providing any statistical data.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheDemonEmperor,realm=OCE,application-id=T8eq2lFQ,discussion-id=5bJXwQEA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-07T12:42:57.114+0000) > > What he has typed is mere words as well. Why don't you take your own advice and move along. Let those who want to engage in a rational discussion make their points. https://imgur.com/a0WdQTZ It's such a trend google has picked it up with their predictive search
Oh?, then pray tell, what do those links in the resulted search says? Have you hear the term, a sheltered life? It refer to those that find outrage on things that normal people viewed as ordinary. In this case, it sounded like you've never heard these foul words spoken to you before, regardless of nationality.
TwerkWDF (OCE)
: 2 ACCOUNTS BANNED
Post your chat log. Lets see how "clean" you are.
KaijuuWRX (OCE)
: I don't know what school you went too, but the bullies don't wait for you to punch first... You said it yourself, life isn't a movie. You don't sit there and take shit, otherwise it keeps coming. You put the words in his mouth, he never said there was more than one person, you did. As for your point about the law, they do actually take into account the fact you are being ganged up on, unlike certain companies i don't need to name. Police officers will take note that you are being bullied and wont punish you for defending yourself... There are actually very strong laws against bullying and harassment these days. You constantly make remarks about real life, but you can't seem to comprehend what actually happens in real life, and it's honestly hilarious.
> I don't know what school you went too, but the bullies don't wait for you to punch first... You said it yourself, life isn't a movie. You don't sit there and take shit, otherwise it keeps coming. Am not representing all school bullies cases with what I've said. Just those that still fear punishment from their parent. Obviously there are extreme cases. It's not about taking it, is about how you **DEAL** with it. Am i that confusing to read man? > You put the words in his mouth, he never said there was more than one person, you did. Oh please, one person?? You mean the bully is not trying to embarrass the victim so his friends can watch? Use some common sense. Cases where kids have killed themselves is mostly due to being group bullied. Humiliation come from being spectated by many, not the one bully. Think man, think. > , they do actually take into account the fact you are being ganged up on, unlike certain companies i don't need to name. Police officers will take note that you are being bullied and wont punish you for defending yourself Manslaughter is still man slaughter. Excessive use of force is still excessive use of force. The so call consideration from the law at best is a lighter sentencing. Once the injuries goes beyond a simple school fight of bruises and dislocated bones. You are SCREW. Read about it, then think about it. > There are actually very strong laws against bullying and harassment these days. You constantly make remarks about real life, but you can't seem to comprehend what actually happens in real life, and it's honestly hilarious. Yea? OK, please go to an Australia's laws site and copy and paste me some texts; That give leniency to physical retaliation which resulted in the bully being mortally wounded. Ever been to a night club with your buddies and one of them got into a fight? The "They outnumber me, i feared for my life" It didn't hold in court when the "Bully" is lying on the concrete floor with a broken nose and jaw. The defender still got arrested and charged. It took a big junk out of his wallet for bail and lawyer fees. See what stupid decision get you? More troubles. Am comprehending life on a deeper level. You're just working on the surface area.
KaijuuWRX (OCE)
: There are no illusions, just so you know... To address my point about you being a forum troll and to address fairdinkems point in another comment; I haven't met you, nor do i need too. From what i have gathered from your posts here, and your posts elsewhere on similar threads; _**1.**_ You go in, claiming to spark debate, but you do it in the most condescending way possible. You aren't there to spark debate, you're there to get a rise out of people, because that's just who you are. You confirmed it for me when you said you game the system so that you can sneakily get away with insulting people without getting banned. _**2.**_ You act high and mighty, and you try to speak as if you are more intelligent than everyone you 'converse' with, yet your posts are full of grammatical and spelling errors, ALL of them and you contradict yourself repeatedly. Not to mention... You're just an ass to everyone. _**3.**_ You think that maturity and age are co-efficient's, which immediately tells me that you, yourself, are immature. Close-Minded and immature. If you knew anything about the way the world works outside of a computer screen, you wouldn't go around saying things like that. Thinking that maturity and age are linked, and then saying that life experience is maturity are contradictory. Life experience is wisdom and maturity does not denote ones intelligence. _**4.**_ My final point as to why you're a troll... You have no match history. On OP.gg or through the forums here. Your match history is non-existent, which says a few things. Either you're banned and you can't play, in which case you shouldn't be here, telling other people how to play **OR** You don't even play the game in it's current state and you can't speak for how the game is for everyone, which again, says you shouldn't be here telling people what to do. **OR**, this one is my favourite, You have a different account you play the game with, so that people don't know who you are on the forums... So which is it? **NOW!** Back to the topic at hand. You say i wasn't playing the game properly because of a false quote, the actual quote i believe you were looking for, was this one; **_KaijuuWRX: Imagine if you waited for your team KaijuuWRX: LOL KaijuuWRX: Thats literally what you were doing at the beginning_** The reason this is part of the conversation, was because i was waiting at Nexus Towers for the rest of my team to spawn before engaging a 5-Man enemy team at our Inhibitor... The trolls went in together as a 2v5, and blamed me for their deaths. If i had gone in with them, not only would the towers have been lost, but it would have been an Intentional feed. My point still stands... ALT-Tabbing, would still result in a report, but instead of just the two trolls, it would be the entire team and potentially the enemy team as well after my team asks them to report me for AFK/Griefing. Moving around doesn't stop the reports side of being AFK/Leaving the game, it only prevents the automatic side. Pain doesn't separate greatness from trash? That statement alone is enough for me to judge you falsely mature. Where do you come up with this crap? Are you reading fortune cookies? You have more one-liners than an Adam Sandler movie. Pain is pain, and everyone experiences it at some point. Pain doesn't change ones life unless it's a comic book. You think because I've been through a lot of pain, i'm going to be a Super-Hero/Villain? Us NORMAL people, work through our pain, and then continue with our lives. You don't know what lessons I've learned? You clearly have no idea what you're trying to say, and if you do, it's not coming through clearly. I can call it unjust, and i will. That's exactly what it is, unjust. Hypothetically... If i were to stab you in the leg as i walked past you on the street but no-one saw it, and refused to help you, you would call it unjust as well. Here's one for you, since I've seen you ask other people a very similar question, if my situation was real life. In a workplace, seeing as that's where us adults spend the majority of our lives. If we were in a team situation and i asked our team member to come help us, and he/she turned around and said "Shut up or i'm just going to ignore you forever" to which i replied asking them to just come and help, and they started abusing me then continued to do things to make it difficult for the team, and later told me to kill myself. How long do you think that person would continue at that workplace, better yet, how well do you think they'd go in any workplace following? I know for a fact, that no employer would give that person a good reference. That would be enough for instant dismissal in most cases, and at the very least a formal warning, of which you only require one now in Australia before you can be legally dismissed at any point following with poor behaviour. If you can't see the world failing, i think you're completely blind. You sit behind your computer, ignoring everything but your forums clearly. Probably watch the night-time news and think the world is peachy. Do you even know what's going on outside your window? Countries falling into economic ruin, governments fighting against their citizens, civil wars breaking out in many countries currently. You want proof? Go look at what's happening in South Africa after a bill was passed last year for black people to take back white FARMING land without compensation, go read about what those people are doing to the farmers and their families, how they're taking back that land. Go take a look at Venezuela, tell me how that Socialist regime is going. Not to mention the wars going on in the middle-east, outside of what you hear on your nightly news. I am here to try and make the game a better place. If i were here to oust the 2 trolls, i would have put their names in to shame them and i'd be crying to RIOT to lift my chat restriction, which i have already worked off. Like i said, i accept the restriction, i know i did wrong. I'm not here to cry to pathetic people like you, i'm here offering an extremely valid solution to said problem. Otherwise i'd be in here saying i'm boycotting the game and how i'm never going to play again. You can ask anyone i play with that these problems are something I've complained about since coming back to the game. I didn't start this thread, i only came here to voice an opinion similar to the person that did and i gave my story of how i have faced trolls in this game. You do really well to read between the lines and see what you want to see. I could have just as easily not posted the chat log from my game, and just said what had happened in my own way to make myself look better, except i chose not too. I posted it, as it is vital in being able to see how i progressively got more and more aggressive over a 32 minute game that i was STUCK in. If this doesn't happen on a regular basis... Why are all your comments on similar posts? Saying the same things over to try and provoke already annoyed people? Bots **ARE** one of the biggest problems in the game. People are ILLEGALLY making money by selling accounts. RIOT refuse to ban the accounts, therefore those illegally selling said accounts, are getting away with it, over and over again without punishment. **ALSO**, it makes it extremely difficult for new players to get into the game and learn to play properly if they're being matched up with bots all the time. Without a new player base, you're stuck with the same toxic people creating new accounts after they get their old accounts banned, you won't have a player increase and the game will die off. That's simple mathematics. You think people will just continue to play League until the end of time? **Wrong.** People are getting sick of RIOT and the lack of care they show towards their player-base, and without new people coming in to fill those slots, the game will die off completely. I'm not saying it will be this year, or next year, but it will die off. The worse you treat those people who are on the brink of leaving already, the less money they will spend if they are even spending any, and eventually they will get fed up completely and leave. There are still relevant options to leave League for; SMITE and DOTA 2 are still going strong. SMITE is on multiple platforms as well and offers more options to play. Your final statement is idiotic and serves no purpose in this conversation. I get what you're trying to say, but you're essentially saying that if someone were to leave their job at RIOT they would never find another job to support their family... I don't think you know how the game development industry works. People in the game development industry are lucky to hold jobs for more than a year or two in most situations. You can even go and research this. _**My final statement**_, as i am going to refuse to reply to you any more; I suggest you stop trying to prod people on the forums unless you do it in a manner more kind than what you have been previously. Nobody wants to converse with you because of how much of an ass you come off as when you comment. If you want to genuinely have a proper debate, don't start with false accusations of people you haven't met before or played with before. Try to find out both sides and take your own advice and treat people as you would want them to treat you maybe? Notice how up until now, i have put up with your snide remarks and condescending tones? Some of us have patience, so maybe don't test it immediately, and you'll have better luck in conversing with people here. Especially if they are already in a bad mood from playing the game, unless you are just the troll i suspect you to be. Lastly. Go play the game. If this is your only account, it shows that you haven't been playing the game, and no-one will listen to someone that isn't playing the game in it's current state. Now, I bid you adieu. I'm going to go back to actually playing the game, and i will continue to report the trolls that i encounter in my travels, as i have done previously. I really hope you can wake up to yourself, and leave this false identity you're living in, behind.
> 1. You go in, claiming to spark debate, but you do it in the most condescending way possible. You aren't there to spark debate, you're there to get a rise out of people, because that's just who you are. You confirmed it for me when you said you game the system so that you can sneakily get away with insulting people without getting banned. Spark a debate? talking with people that uses their emotions as fact, can hardly be called a debate. > 2. You act high and mighty, and you try to speak as if you are more intelligent than everyone you 'converse' with, yet your posts are full of grammatical and spelling errors, ALL of them and you contradict yourself repeatedly. Not to mention... You're just an ass to everyone. How do you learn if you don't make mistake? Your perception of me only speak volume about your insecurity. The truth is strong and bitter. You don't have to like it. But better than indulging in honey coated words and poisoning yourself overtime. > 3. You think that maturity and age are co-efficient's, which immediately tells me that you, yourself, are immature. Close-Minded and immature. If you knew anything about the way the world works outside of a computer screen, you wouldn't go around saying things like that. Thinking that maturity and age are linked, and then saying that life experience is maturity are contradictory. I don't think it. I don't even mention it. You are confused. All that I've wrote was, age is not a factor when it come to learning how to be a better person. You need to face the experiences of life using intellect and personality traits. Those 2 indication combined are the greatest teacher. But logically, a person learn as he grow older. When an adult is behaving like a child, you would encompass its as immaturity. In other words, he is lacking in experience and wisdom; Loosely speaking, lacking **in that aspect **of behavior. Do you understand? I don't know if it is me, who is not being concise with my words. Or it is you who cant understand a simple statement. > ****Life experience is wisdom **and maturity does not denote ones intelligence.** Experiencing life does not grant you wisdom. One need to reflect on oneself; Extracting profound knowledge drawn out from one's misery, in order to find a path to a better future. That is what wisdom is. And it is VERY, very hard to accomplish. A person with feeble character and courage can live for a long time and will never achieve that mode of being. As for your second point. Where did i mention age and intelligence shared the same path? > 4. My final point as to why you're a troll... You have no match history. On OP.gg or through the forums here. Your match history is non-existent, which says a few things. Either you're banned and you can't play, in which case you shouldn't be here, telling other people how to play OR You don't even play the game in it's current state and you can't speak for how the game is for everyone, which again, says you shouldn't be here telling people what to do. OR, this one is my favourite, You have a different account you play the game with, so that people don't know who you are on the forums... So which is it? That is because you are too shallow on your outlooks. How many years can you count on my OP.GG that I've played the game? All the way back in season 2 started in NA. Now, if you sprinkle a dose of rationality. It is easy to tell my kindle for the game has dwindle. My last game played on league was about** 1month ago**; And just like you, i played ARAM for the casualness of it. Has the game and it's populace changed so much over the period of a month? Should i believe you that people can turn bad this quickly? That would be plausible with a 1% probability; Like a new tyrannical rule was introduce and cause a mass riot. If it hasn't, and these few complains that are coming in, which seem to rinse and repeat itself in a pattern. Can i make the assumption that people like you are running away from yourself? Why sit down and give yourself hard questions to think about, right? It is way easier to blame it on the lowest hanging fruit. > **Pain doesn't separate greatness from trash? That statement alone is enough for me to judge you falsely mature. **Where do you come up with this crap? Are you reading fortune cookies? You have more one-liners than an Adam Sandler movie. Pain is pain, and everyone experiences it at some point. Pain doesn't change ones life unless it's a comic book. You think because I've been through a lot of pain, i'm going to be a Super-Hero/Villain? Us NORMAL people, work through our pain, and then continue with our lives. I've specifically STATED. What become of a person** after knowing pain**, is what will SEPARATE greatness from trash. Do you understand what it mean? I wrote it in a simple manner without complexity. For example. Look at you. After your ban, did you ever think that you did something wrong? Did you ever think that if you didn't start a provoking statement AND CONTINUING IT, those 2 players wouldn't react negatively to you and things wouldn't be where they are now?? So **what did you do after the pain come**? You ran all the way here, complain and complain. Not once did you look at yourself. Did you pick a path of greatness to tread on? For sure you have not. No real man would be so quick to blame everyone else and ignored himself. That is what a man with weak character and lowly courage would do. > If we were in a team situation and i asked our team member to come help us, and he/she turned around and said "Shut up or i'm just going to ignore you forever" to which i replied asking them to just come and help, and they started abusing me then continued to do things to make it difficult for the team, and later told me to kill myself. How long do you think that person would continue at that workplace, better yet, how well do you think they'd go in any workplace following? I know for a fact, that no employer would give that person a good reference. That would be enough for instant dismissal in most cases, and at the very least a formal warning, of which you only require one now in Australia before you can be legally dismissed at any point following with poor behaviour. Look at how you've set up the pieces. Everything is in your favor, you're the righteous one here and everyone else is clearly a thug. Are you implying this scenario is what got you punished? Way to go, paint everyone else the villain again, poor you. This is what its all about man, this is how you see the world isn't it?. In every cases you've put up so far, you are always in the role of a victim. Why is that? Yes...The plot thicken. > If you can't see the world failing, i think you're completely blind. You sit behind your computer, ignoring everything but your forums clearly. Probably watch the night-time news and think the world is peachy. Do you even know what's going on outside your window? Countries falling into economic ruin, governments fighting against their citizens, civil wars breaking out in many countries currently. You want proof? Go look at what's happening in South Africa after a bill was passed last year for black people to take back white FARMING land without compensation, go read about what those people are doing to the farmers and their families, how they're taking back that land. Go take a look at Venezuela, tell me how that Socialist regime is going. Not to mention the wars going on in the middle-east, outside of what you hear on your nightly news. This is how I've interpreted your words. As long as it's not PERFECT. Then it is the same as failure. Those are **NOT THE WORLD**, those are isolated cases. You don't look at a person with asthma and on a wheel chair as FAILURE OF LIFE. Just as you don't cherry pick the bad parts of the world and sum it up as **THE WORLD**. If the world is failing, the majority of nations would be ALL OF THE ABOVE. BUT IT ISN'T!! > I am here to **try and make the game a better place**. If i were here to oust the 2 trolls, i would have put their names in to shame them and i'd be crying to RIOT to lift my chat restriction, which i have already worked off. OH BS, where were you before you got ban? The game was fine until it wanted you out. > . I didn't start this thread, i only came here to voice an opinion similar to the person that did and i gave my story of how i have faced trolls in this game. If you read the OP messages, he is a lair and a really corrupted one at that. Nothing he said make any sense on a intellectual level. > Bots ARE one of the biggest problems in the game. People are ILLEGALLY making money by selling accounts. RIOT refuse to ban the accounts, therefore those illegally selling said accounts, are getting away with it, over and over again without punishment. Yes, this is true. But there is nothing you can do about it. Those bots are scripted, 1 computer can generate 10-20 bots. The game is F2P so they can just remake account free of charge. Every popular mmorpg have this problem. It is bad, but the solution is not clear. > Your final statement is idiotic and serves no purpose in this conversation. I get what you're trying to say, but you're essentially saying that if someone were to leave their job at RIOT they would never find another job to support their family... I don't think you know how the game development industry works. **People in the game development industry are lucky to hold jobs for more than a year or two in most situations**. You can even go and research this. Are you talking about a contract position or full time permanent? What are the turn over rate for those roles? Those companies that are dismissing employees regularly in the period of 1-2years, are they struggling? what are the details? Link some sources. I need more information, i don't believe you. > I really hope you can wake up to yourself, and leave this false identity you're living in, behind. Your words are so moving. Is like reading a Shakespearean tragedy, every sentences has a bad ending. I weep for the insight you've left behind. Your experience and wisdom is like romeo and Juliet, star crossed lover fated to never meet.
: stick to the topics please, if you wan't to have a separate discussion please make your own thread, please,
This is part of the topic. I'm trying to break down the illusions that people like you've conjured up to camouflage the truth.
: i've had enough of this game let it die, it gives no fucks about the players only there fucking fat pockets i know where i am going,, this game is legit AIDS, it will ruin any positive aspect you hold over time,,, the staff are ignorant , and you cannot contest anything because they do not care, i played 1 game today after not logging on for 2 weeks,,,, i was having a joke in chat, after asking what rank is a certain player,,, he says he is gold 2, then gold 1, blah blah heard it all, i am platinum 3 really, but got banned on my first account for the exact same reasons, people getting people banned for basically doing nothing but retaliating over time to there ignorant ass who does it on purpose and laughs about it,,,,,, this account is now banned for 15 days because the guy reported me because i said gold = bronze you are still learning the basic mechanics of the game,, throughout the rest of the game i tried to give them advice and pointers of what they can do to get better,, and help there gameplay , NAH they had none of that abused me more,,,,, i got banned that fast for fucking nothing while i was writing my statement to report these guys, the client closed and i was unable to report them, so i am here banned again for basically no reason i cannot dispute it ,, and i cannot report them because i got banned that quick my client shut down,,,,,,, the staff of this game are putrid and they don't give a fuck , this game is literally a dying breed , there are that many botters and scripters it's not even funny, and the community of this game is that far gone there is no point in trying,,,,,, i have never seen such an ignorant and childish community in my entire life of gaming, i have been gaming over 12 years now , and not once have i ever seen such garbage community, AND STAFF,,, it's like they pay these guys to do this so they can feed on your energy, i've had it this game is un installed i will never return , i wasted so much time and money on this game , just to have someone who has been playing for a few months to get me banned over nothing , it's not worth my time, this game has gone backwards since release,,,, there banning system makes it worse,,,,, even before hand the system was extremely bad,,, it's like that on purpose to spread negativity , fuck this game off play something worth your life and time,,,, play a game where the devs appreciate you and respect you and listn to you , and take into consideration all circumstances, not this ignorant backward company,,,,, they will ban you just because they know you are addicted and will be back , even if you spent hundreds upon hundreds , i could write a book about this game , i have played it that long it is downright disgusting,,,,, the whole system is bad not just the players,,,, MM is really bad and i'ts like that on purpose,,,,,,, the playerbase is shrinking rapidly and it will die,,, so goodluck LMAO
I cant tell if you are doing a mouth exercise, or have seriously put in time and efforts to draft a proper analysis about the situation. All i can take from your words is unsophisticated rambling, dressed as analytical thoughts. > this account is now banned for 15 days because the guy reported me** because i said gold = bronze you are still learning the basic mechanics of the game** Yea... i remained unconvinced.
: i had a debate with riot via email,, and they told me that yes what they are doing is wrong , but retaliating is a form of toxicity and is a bannable offence just because someone is doing this on purpose to make others angry does not mean to retaliate, , it's the same treatment you get from a teacher in school,,,,, IF YOU ARE GETTTING HURT DO NOT FIGHT BACK,,,,,,,,,, da fuck u gonna do cop it , legit man stupid as, if someone is giving you shit you either exit the game / walk away ,,, or you fucking stick up for yourself, and since you cannot leave what you going to do , you can mute yes, but it doesn't stop them playing like twats honestly,,,, ????? i could go on for years man
> i had a debate with riot via email,, and they told me that yes **what they are doing is wrong** Post some screen shot please. I find that hard to believe. Or perhaps your understanding of what was written is faulty. > IF YOU ARE GETTTING HURT DO NOT FIGHT BACK. da fuck u gonna do cop it , legit man stupid as. What they mean is don't take matter into your own hand, you might turn bad to worst. Which is truth for most cases. If your plan is to win fights and the bullying will stop, then you are simply naive. More often than not, the ones that are being bullied are loner. What a typical bully does is take multiple people to surround and "tease" the victim with taunts and hatred inducing speech. The goal is to get the target into a fight and break the rules. As long as you punch 1st they can claim self dense. Even if you manage to win vs one guy, his buddies will be next inline. Real life is not a movie. **The way you fight back is doing it legally**, the law is on your side to use. The teachers are right. > or you fucking stick up for yourself, and since you cannot leave what you going to do , you can mute yes, but it doesn't stop them playing like twats honestly,,,, What do you think you're doing with this "stick up for yourself"?? Reading what you've wrote. I can wager on: you would go solo and get hurt even worst. Since you've jumped down the same shit hole as the others to fight them; Now you cant even call for assistance from the law. Do things the intellectual way, not a small time thug style. > i could go on for years man Sure you can, you also can take the same mentality and spear head it forward into the future. But know this, you're heading toward a bad ending route.
: it is just as bad as it used to be,, but in a different way, in a more sneaky way,,, not so revealing,, before it was in your face, now it's sneakily done, i agree with him,, you see a response like that, "Perhaps you still think like the kid back in 2010. And maybe; You're still treating encounters the same way? " is your typical response that annoys people it's childish , you know it's childish and you expect a retaliation , there is no need for that type of comment it's pathetic, people grow obviously so i find that comment void,
Am having a hard time reading your sentences and understanding it; So ill extract what i can out of it. > before it was in your face, now it's sneakily done What was direct? and what are you being tricked with? > is your typical response that annoys people it's childish , you know it's childish and you expect a retaliation , there is no need for that type of comment it's pathetic, people grow obviously so i find that comment void, The things that make improvement to a person as they experiences the world is intelligence and personality traits; Some are of higher caliber than others. When someone is living in the past and refusing to move on, one would called that stagnation. People who live in such a state wont take kindly to new knowledge. And most likely views the world through a restricted lens, manufacture by their own rejection. So then tell me, how can such a person "grow"? Also, what make the statement childish? When i processed it through my point of view, i didn't designed it to be taken as such. Can you tell me how did you arrived at that analysis?
Lilc9 (OCE)
: sorry for the late reply I have been busy with work and school for the week and a bit, and probably just reply to yours alone because its the best comment i saw I want to preference want should've done in my original post and that is I won 3/3games and that none of the comments like "gg" or "better bot win" in game 1,2&3 were not aimed at my teammates and they were directed at the other team. So in game 1, it went we get first blood in bot lane then I type 'GG outplayed' they reply with "?" and saying things like how it wasn't an outplay, it wasn't which is why I said. So it snowballed from there, they said gg when they got a kill, i continued to say gg when we get a kill. Then I started saying "SMD" to them and "better bot wins". Game 2 we gave first blood to a draven & taric bot lane and said "nice ks" cause the support stole it, and we all know what happens when the support takes the kill off the draven. He gets mad. then he replied with something (don't know what it was I forgot) that's when I said " i fked your mum last night", some time passes and were taking the nexus so see my chance and i type " better bot lane win just how it be" What I was doing in those game was sledging which means "to seek to gain an advantage by insulting or verbally intimidating the opposing player." I don't think what I said is under Verbal Abuse maybe being a dick but not verbal abuse (EXCEPT GAME 3). yeah game 3 was verbal abuse not going to lie, But i should still have 2 chances left on my account.
> What I was doing in those game was sledging which means "to seek to gain an advantage by insulting or verbally intimidating the opposing player. So everything boil down to you using insults as a tool of distraction. Did i get that right? Because if i did, then your logic is flawed on so many levels. Let me give you a few contrasting examples. * If you are playing sport, would you throw the same set of insults toward the opposition? * If you are taking an exam, would you do the same thing to divert people's attention from the test? * If you are in a job interview, would still follow through with the above theory of "sledging" to taunt the other applicants? Am gonna assume you are a reasonable person that understand civility and ethic. Therefor you wont, out of shame and by social nurturing. The rules are ingrained into you by the environment of your upbringing, taught by parent, teachers, your social circle ETC... And you should also understand by breaking them, it will turn people against you. **So you don't do it.** Now this is the interesting part. The reason you do it **ONLINE **while knowing these rules is still a factor, is because the impact of the consequences is of insignificant worth. And you cant see the people whom you are insulting; There are no faces or tone of voice. **And by thinking you wont meet them again.** Enforced your willingness to use insults as ventilation for your frustration. Start correlate the two instead of spiting them up for your own convenient. Or! Continue on the path and get ban again; But the least you can do then is not WHINE about it. It make you look weak and crude. > I don't think what I said is under Verbal Abuse maybe being a dick but not verbal abuse What you've stated is fundamentally verbal abuse, you are using your words to torment the intended listener into rage, regret and sorrow. > But i should still have 2 chances left on my account. 3 games, 3 chances. They don't have to come in a set of 3 per punishment.
KaijuuWRX (OCE)
: I actually view people differently now than i did whe i was 17 years old. I don't judge until i have met, and as close as you can get to meeting in this game is playing with someone and witnessing sheer stupidity. By that point you no longer want to know them and woukd much rather be in a different game ASAP. Also, i've been through your comment history on the forums and you constantly say the same things over and over. You seem more like a boards troll than a useful source of information, no offence intended. As for ALT Tabbing, i already mentioned that you are held hostage in the games... you ALT TAB, you get reported, you leave, you get reported, you also cant report the toxic people after you leave the game unless you rejoin before it ends. The person, who i reported both after the game, and sent a ticket 5 hours after that same game as i saw they were still playing freely on OP.gg, said, and this is as close to the quote as i can get; 'Why don't you go kill yourself in real life then?' No ifs or buts about it, thats pretty much exactly how it was said, no trickery, plain english. The response i got from blitz bot... 'We see that you already reported this player in the post game lobby and there is no need for you to send in another ticket'. The system is broken, and it has been this way for 9 years because it was the same deal back then. I never got banned or suspended on my old account, i even tried to log into it the other day but it seems hotmail is no longer a thing, go figure, and i can't recover it. Not that i care too much about it to be honest. You talk about life experience as if i have none. I've had friends kill themselves, i've lost family members to cancer and drunk drivers. I've had multiple jobs in a bunch of different industries. Currently im a carpenter, before that i worked in the automotive industry and before that i worked in retail... I've seen the world and ive met all types of people. Believe me when i say this community is the most toxic thing i have come across. I have no teary eyes while playing this game, only blind rage as it infuriates me that people like this are allowed to procreate, and spread more stupidity amongst this already failing world. More so, i have blind rage in the fact that people are not allowed to defend themselves or rebuttal without facing stupid consequences... I still stand for the removal of leaving bans in all game modes aside from Ranked as it would severely increase playability of this game. I didn't come here for sympathy, i came here to vent and offer a potantial solution to a fair amount of problems occurring in this plagued game. As i said, if there was just a Queue penalty of say 10 minutes for leaving a game early, and it counted as a loss whether your teams wins or not, seems to me like a completely valid option. Sometimes people have genuine outside reasons they need to leave the game, for which there should be no penalty, but there is. As for the supposed budget you think they have, you may want to look at who wholey owns RIOT, maybe even look into what else they own... even how much money they have. Yes as a sub company they would have a form of budget, but they pull in so much money its not funny. Rather than adding more skins and doing events, why not focus on one of, if not the biggest problem in the game currently? Like i said, this is the same company that can't treat its own employees fairly... and is still refusing too after mass walkouts. If i missed a point or something is spelled incorrectly, i apologise as i am typing this all on my phone.
> Also, i've been through your comment history on the forums and you constantly say the same things over and over. You seem more like a boards troll than a useful source of information, no offence intended. Reasonable discussion is not trolling. I make points to project my view and go from there. What is your definition of a troll, please define it. Also, what same things have i repeat myself to the degree of "over and over" ? > As for ALT Tabbing, i already mentioned that you are held hostage in the games... you ALT TAB, you get reported, you leave, you get reported, you also cant report the toxic people after you leave the game unless you rejoin before it ends. You are refusing to play the game properly. Look at the chat. I can tell you were also feeding to sent a message that "two can play the same game". You are not a hostage, you're just refusing to accept that they don't like your decisions. You're also toxic, and willfully blind. Why bother arguing and make the matter worst, just ALT TAB. After a while come back and move around a bit to by pass the AFK detection. > No ifs or buts about it, thats pretty much exactly how it was said, no trickery, plain english. The response i got from blitz bot... 'We see that you already reported this player in the post game lobby and there is no need for you to send in another ticket'. Congratulation. Riot have already taken notice of their deed, sooner or later they will get what is coming to them. > You talk about life experience as if i have none. I've had friends kill themselves, i've lost family members to cancer and drunk drivers. I've had multiple jobs in a bunch of different industries. And yet you don't seem to exude maturity. Pain is but a catalyst. What become of you after knowing pain is what will separate greatness from trash. > I've seen the world and ive met all types of people. Believe me when i say this community is the most toxic thing i have come across. So what if you've seen the world? What lessons you've LEARNED IS THE IMPORTANT PART. There are times saying things will only release your frustration, but it wont change other people's mind. When such a time come, have your fill. BUT don't complain later that it is unjust. > I have no teary eyes while playing this game, only blind rage as it infuriates me that people like this are allowed to procreate, and spread more stupidity amongst this already failing world. How is this world failing? You don't have enough wisdom nor longevity to make such assessment. Don't even preach about blind rage. LOOK AT YOU. Rage, and rage. Not once did you tried to be amicable toward them, and now you have the gut to complain about blind rage to suit your narrative? Hypocrite. An absolutely pretender. > I didn't come here for sympathy, i came here to vent and offer a potantial solution to a fair amount of problems occurring in this plagued game You're NOT here to right a wrong** you saw happened** to others. No! You're here hoping that those 2 players would suffer because they have crossed you. All the while, wearing the mask of a sympathetic man voicing concern for the masses. Be honest. If nothing happen** to YOU**, you wouldn't do anything. You certainly don't give a shit up until your punishment, and according to you, these things happen on a regular basis. Why poured in the effort to make a thread and voicing it now? Oh right, **YOU** got punished. > Rather than adding more skins and doing events, why not focus on one of, if not the biggest problem in the game currently? Because the investors have a target margin they're aiming for annually. Biggest problem in the game? Ok wait.. Since you see it as a problem, all of the sudden. It is A BIG PROBLEM? Why is it a big problem? > Like i said, this is the same company that can't treat its own employees fairly... and is still refusing too after mass walkouts. Welcome to the corporate world. Unless you are some kind of genius, your replacement's resume is just a computer screen away. If people have a family and mortgage. They tend to STFU and do their work NO MATTER HOW UNENJOYABLE IT IS. The younger you are the easier it is to walk out on a job. But for home owner, doing that kind of shit is the equivalent of destroying the family. No kidding that riot wont do any thing. They don't have to.
Main Line (OCE)
: Maybe you should take your own advice then.
Are you perceiving what i do as being confident, or did i label myself as such? If so, by all mean. Find the quote and link the source.
KaijuuWRX (OCE)
: How so? I literally am playing ARAM only? Did you read nothing? If your team goes in, in ARAM, you go in too... That's how you play ARAM, you don't let your front-line go in by themselves only to sit back with full health and do nothing for the first 8 minutes of the game and then abuse them for pinging you... The abuse started with them, i defended myself and it escalated over the course of the game. If you could see the absolute crap that they were putting in the chat you would understand why i got so heated over the course of the game. Not to mention telling people to off themselves. As someone who has depression and has lost people too depression, that's the worst thing you can say to anyone you aren't acquainted with, but you're going to sit here and tell me that it's not toxic? That i shouldn't defend myself? Being told to kill myself simply because i told them to help the team is not at all a valid response. If you're proposing that i have a child like mind, then the people that i am being forced into a game with and being help captive with, lest i yearn for a ban for leaving, must still be in the womb. Better yet, telling someone to kill themselves is supposed to be an instantaneous 14-Day ban, and yet, i'm here after 1 bad game with these trolls, sitting on my thumb with a 10-Game Chat Restriction, whilst that same troll is still out there with no inflicted penalty. The system is completely broken. If it was seen that someone was actually defending themselves from the start, then the system might actually work better. Toxicity breeds Toxicity. This is why a system that allows people to escape the toxicity would be highly beneficial too anyone involved. I was just queuing with my friend who is new to the game, he is low level and we see a lot of bot accounts. The last game we tried to Queue for, it was me and him, so i dodged so he could keep playing. I am now penalised because Riot refuses to remove bot accounts. We are literally held hostage in so many situations in this game it's not funny.
> How so? I literally am playing ARAM only? Did you read nothing? Am not talking about the game mode...Am talking from a conceptual point of view. > As someone who has depression and has lost people too depression, that's the worst thing you can say to anyone you aren't acquainted with Do you think a furious stranger will have sympathy toward a text box IGN? They cant even hear your tone, let alone see your teary eyes. Especially if they are the kind of people that are hateful. They might be in a bad situation themselves and anger is their outlet from pain. If you want sympathy, then treat them as though they are you. > but you're going to sit here and tell me that it's not toxic? That i shouldn't defend myself? Your fire and their fire. Both burn. The different is the severity of the damages; But the fundamental is the same isn't? Inviting distress unto those you dislike. Everyone have a right to defend themselves, that is a given. But know this, once a fight start. Expect pain, not consideration. > **If you're proposing that i have a child like mind**, then the people that i am being forced into a game with and being help captive with, lest i yearn for a ban for leaving, must still be in the womb. Experience is what make an adult. And to me it seem as though you still viewed others the same way you did 9 years ago. You know... When a game is lost and continue playing is pointless. You could've alt TAB and browse the web. Why didn't you? Because you were too invested with the chat... > whilst that same troll is still out there with no inflicted penalty. The system is completely broken. How did they typed KYS; The traditional way, or were they being creative? The system algorithm cant detect creative use of words, human verification is required. So it might take them longer to get ban. > If it was seen that **someone was actually defending themselves from the start**, then the system might actually work better. Toxicity breeds Toxicity. Do you know why that isn't possible in your case? You've jumped down the same pit as those 2 in order to fight them. If you were more careful and drafted a better offense, one that take the rules into consideration. Then you would be laughing right now. > I was just queuing with my friend who is new to the game, he is low level and we see a lot of bot accounts. All profitable online game have bots, there will always be loop hole; The best you can do is report them. Remember this is a FP2 game, there is only so much they can do to with the budget that they have.
KaijuuWRX (OCE)
: This is the chat log from the 30 minute game of everything i said and will own up to everything i said. However, what it doesn't unfortunately show is the abuse i was copping as soon as i said 'Really?' and pinged the two of them sitting back watching the rest of us die in a team fight. **NOTE:** Some of these messages are in ALL, the majority are in team chat. Game 1 In-Game KaijuuWRX: Really? _**<- 3-4 Minutes in, was left to die by the Duo (Who, again were at full health back at our tower) when i had gotten 3 enemy team members down to less than 10% health.**_ KaijuuWRX: Literally could have had 3 kills with any help there KaijuuWRX: Surrender at 8 KaijuuWRX: How about you attack with the team, and not on your own? KaijuuWRX: Can you not take the health when youre full then immediately die? _**<- Just before the 11 minute mark.**_ KaijuuWRX: Thanks KaijuuWRX: Can we please fucking surrender _**<- This was at the 14 minute mark btw. I had tried to surrender twice already.**_ KaijuuWRX: This is fucking retarded KaijuuWRX: Says the guy feeding KaijuuWRX: Youre literally both feeding KaijuuWRX: Report the PRDX people for Inting ty KaijuuWRX: Because you %%%%s literally left me to die multiple times instead of helping KaijuuWRX: I WASNT AT TOWER KaijuuWRX: AND 3 OF THEM WERE %5 KaijuuWRX: Youre actually challenged KaijuuWRX: ggwp KaijuuWRX: lol KaijuuWRX: Oh good now theyre telling me to kill myself KaijuuWRX: Imagine being that much of a piece of shit you tell people to kill themselves on a game KaijuuWRX: Harass? KaijuuWRX: You mean asked for help multiple times? KaijuuWRX: Pinging because you stood at the back at full health doing nothing in team fights? KaijuuWRX: No but you can be reported for griefing and abuse, especially after telling me to kms KaijuuWRX: Absolute trash like you shouldnt be allowed to play games KaijuuWRX: Hard to do anything when you refuse to help me in team fights huh KaijuuWRX: Surrender and ill help KaijuuWRX: Im being the dick? KaijuuWRX: Really? KaijuuWRX: You insult me, you refuse to help, you int KaijuuWRX: Im the dick? KaijuuWRX: lolk KaijuuWRX: Because im getting literally no help KaijuuWRX: *You're KaijuuWRX: Ive been trying to surrender since 8 KaijuuWRX: ikr KaijuuWRX: Imagine if you waited for your team KaijuuWRX: LOL KaijuuWRX: Thats literally what you were doing at the beginning KaijuuWRX: Right from the fucking start, thats exactly what you %%%%s were doing KaijuuWRX: Waiting KaijuuWRX: Would make this go faster so i can leave KaijuuWRX: You know, since you wont surrender KaijuuWRX: Nah KaijuuWRX: Nah KaijuuWRX: They dont deserve to win KaijuuWRX: Not smart either obvs KaijuuWRX: I was hitting tower KaijuuWRX: Since no one else was KaijuuWRX: Why bother? KaijuuWRX: Why not chip it? KaijuuWRX: Before they all spawn KaijuuWRX: Clearly you dont play ARAm KaijuuWRX: *ARAM KaijuuWRX: Its ARAM KaijuuWRX: Why do you care so much about KDA? KaijuuWRX: Me? KaijuuWRX: Really? KaijuuWRX: You havent seen the abuse outside of all chat KaijuuWRX: Legitimate %%%%s over here and im just trying to leave KaijuuWRX: But im not fucking allowed too KaijuuWRX: End the fucking game KaijuuWRX: ffs KaijuuWRX: Dont miss your opportunity to win KaijuuWRX: You fucked around for too long KaijuuWRX: Whyre you sighing? KaijuuWRX: I literally have been playing for 5 minutes and am already almost beating you As you can probably tell, i got pissed off as time went on. Granted if this wasn't in a game with trolls, i would happily take the Chat Restriction no questions asked, but seeing as these people are literally out there to make peoples lives hell... I think it's fucking stupid and RIOT needs to do something to fix it. I'd also like to mention, that outside of pre-mades i do actually get a few honours. Hell, one of the messages i got said "You received 101% more GG's than the average player". My point is, the Honour and Ban system needs a serious overhaul.
> As someone who played the game back in high school in 2010, who soon after stopped playing because of how toxic the community was, to now coming back 9 years later. The community is even more toxic now than it was back then. Perhaps you still think like the kid back in 2010. And maybe; You're still treating encounters the same way?
: i'm fueling my low self esteem with a small dose of confidence plz let me have this
I'll give you this life advice. Confidence gained in trivial manners are just lies you're telling yourself; In order to measure up to those you deem to be better. Keep it up and your life's goal will be chasing after these piffling praises, and not at all for the better.
: > No mate, ample evidence has been provided You've provided a graph that display inadequate information; All it has was users and operating systems used. Did it shown how many of them are league players? NO! that was TAKEN FROM STEAM. You cant just blindly connect the dots and assume a majority of those users are also playing league. This is why i have pointed out that you're lacking in the critical thinking aspect. The complexity elements is not even being considered. > points that have been proven irrelevant over and over again What have you done to defend your argument? By spiting out basic google information, and thinking it is so profound and innovative. So much so, that those guys in programing and upper management is beneath you?? That they haven't consider it yet? That they don't know? REALLY??? Maybe i should take a one year course in Diploma General (I.T) as well. Holy shit, i didn't know their curriculum would be _so advance_. **Allowing me to prevail over those that:** went to UNI for 3-5years, accrued a shit load of HECS debt, go through many interviews for internship, working as an intern for free through out several years, go through the job application process, and working in a high pressure environment. WHAT A BARGAIN. > like talking to a brick wall, so I'm done. Am casting pearls before swine right now.
> might want to get the context of pearls before swine right ... You don't know the meaning behind the adage...And you're telling me am wrong? >The fact that **riot have ignored progress** shows they don't care or are not capable of stepping into a workable model. This! this is what your analysis has narrow it down to?? They're simply too inept to adapt to the modern market? A company with consultants and experts on the payroll, with the obligation to extend the game's life span?. Even with all that resources at hand, they cant come up with what you've suggested?? **That is a foolish argument, one that only demonstrate incompetent and a immature judgement. ** Try sharpening your mind so you can cut deeper into the problem. Instead of opening your mouth with meager comprehension, and parading it as a irrefutable solution.
: No mate, ample evidence has been provided and you're contesting points that have been proven irrelevant over and over again. like talking to a brick wall, so I'm done.
> No mate, ample evidence has been provided You've provided a graph that display inadequate information; All it has was users and operating systems used. Did it shown how many of them are league players? NO! that was TAKEN FROM STEAM. You cant just blindly connect the dots and assume a majority of those users are also playing league. This is why i have pointed out that you're lacking in the critical thinking aspect. The complexity elements is not even being considered. > points that have been proven irrelevant over and over again What have you done to defend your argument? By spiting out basic google information, and thinking it is so profound and innovative. So much so, that those guys in programing and upper management is beneath you?? That they haven't consider it yet? That they don't know? REALLY??? Maybe i should take a one year course in Diploma General (I.T) as well. Holy shit, i didn't know their curriculum would be _so advance_. **Allowing me to prevail over those that:** went to UNI for 3-5years, accrued a shit load of HECS debt, go through many interviews for internship, working as an intern for free through out several years, go through the job application process, and working in a high pressure environment. WHAT A BARGAIN. > like talking to a brick wall, so I'm done. Am casting pearls before swine right now.
Nightjar (OCE)
: to be honest, I don't think either of those groups are healthy for the community, the first guy doesn't seem as bad, but the second reaction is likely the sum total of previous infractions (how else would they recognize it). google translate is getting pretty good, and it's not that hard to flip tabs and use chrome, change screen from youtube nightcores or op.gg, ect... to google translate, and copy/paste. That, and the fact that combined with some language lessons in school (the first thing people always seem to learn is swear words), a fair amount of people can recognize the typical triggers even without google. Personally, I did Italian in school, so aside from the most chinese basic swears, I generally have no clue what they are saying, but other players seem to recognise it fairly well. You could say it could be anything, but I doubt a random comment is going to result in so many pings, the chat accelerating and somebody afking. I have to screenshot (i screenshot alot of abusive players, it doesn't do much, and I can't name and shame, but idk) for later but I'm rarely surprised. I don't care if you don't believe my story. I know it happened. Literally a few days ago. I might have exaggerated earlier of it's prevalence, it's more like 1/8 games than 1/5, but even so, it shouldn't be acceptable.
> it's more like 1/8 games than 1/5, but even so, it shouldn't be acceptable. It isn't acceptable in term of conduct. However, the different between 1/8 games and people saying "Ruining THE GAME" is not even CLOSE! How am i suppose to take what people say at value, if they cant express the details clearly and precisely. No data, no credible sources. Not even an ounce of rationality. Aside from your somewhat pensive inputs. The rest of the accusers mount a poor assault, wielding blind rage and ineptitude. Am not on the side of "Oh those poor Chinese", am on the side of **due process**. Provide the evidence to go with the accusation. If you cant manage that, then all you are doing is slander.
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